NB used to have an identity as a healer but they did away with it, it used to be very focused around doing damage while healing. I sadly don't foresee that returning due to the devs' insistence on DPS not using healer moves. I like your ideas and that you are thinking here, this is a serious topic that NEEDS to be addressed! I don't want all classes to be the same, I want their abilities to offer different things, but I want each to be able to function in every role.

I would like to see Refreshing Path changed to be as wide as Grand Healing (16mx16m). I made a thread on this already with images to show, it's laughably small. Same for DK's Cinder Storm as I see you also suggested. In regular dungeons this is less important but in trials this is a very big deal.

Another thing about NB (my main healer so I could write a book on this) is that as it is right now it already heals very well, you won't die with a good NB healer by your side unless you lose your entire health bar in one hit. Healing over time yes absolutely, that is part of their identity and about all that remains of it, but the class doesn't need any buffs to healing done. Vitality, for example, would be overkill at this time, and NB does grant MAJOR vitality on a 4 second ultimate already, so an Ultimate that grants Major Protection doesn't need vitality added to it as well. I hear many people who complain about NB healers say that they do great healing but lack anything else. What NB really needs probably more than anything else is a synergy that isn't on a ultimate, and then something to provide valuable group utility. Debuffs to use on enemies or attack buffs for allies fit well with this assassin class, or a resource return to fit with NB's own amazing resource management.

I absolutely LOVE your sorcerer suggestions, I am guessing you main a sorcerer because these are very detailed. Only thing is that I caution about the aforementioned "DPS cannot heal the group" mentality. If Lightning Form gets a group heal morph it will more likely become a pure healing and no damage morph, but I also don't think I care because no one uses this for damage, just for defense buff and nyoom right? So that's a great idea for some AOE healing for this class, if it had a 16m diameter then that would make it useful in trials. I also agree that ward should grant Minor Endurance as well, it is one of few things Sorc has that helps group and it only helps magic users right now. As for the change to prison, good thinking using an underused skill, but I don't think you will get away with both the twilight burst heal and a cone burst heal, so as annoying as she is, the Twilight should probably be the one that stays for identity, damage, and that amazing range burst heal. Or we remove her group healing option entirely since DPS are using it and go with the cone, and make sure it hits 6 people for trials. These are some great suggestions to change underused skills, and even if only a few of them were taken it would drastically help Sorcerer in the healer role. Others could be modified to be actually useful to DPS and tanks!

With DK healer the biggest issues are sustain (which will hopefully be less of an issue when we only need one orb at a time) and that so many tanks are DK and thus provide some of the same skills. I like the defensive direction with adding things like Minor Protection to Cauterize OR shield, not to both though because that would be repetitive and I would rather see another buff on the other skill (vitality? maybe?). I don't play my DK healer enough, any DK healers please chime in!

Good thoughts! I hope the devs at least consider the many suggestions being made by frustrated healers.

Non healer classes?....

Let me properly word this for you.

2 out of the 6 healers in ESO will need further buffs in the role to compensate for the adjustments made in the upcoming patch.

And just as a side, for what its worth. NB has the best spammable heal in the game full stop.

Iskiab wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Non healer classes?....

Let me properly word this for you.

2 out of the 6 healers in ESO will need further buffs in the role to compensate for the adjustments made in the upcoming patch.

And just as a side, for what its worth. NB has the best spammable heal in the game full stop.

Think so? I was looking at stamwarden and can get almost as high of a tooltip as Healthy Offering.

Figuring out how to sustain it will be complicated, but it’s very easy to build for an 8k+ spammable heal with a 6 person target cap.

In terms of aoe, shrooms is solid. I attribute *** as being the strongest because in a pve setting its health price is negligible and it doesnt tax the healers magicka pool. Shrooms occupies the same space a combat prayer of which i wasnt really thinking as a spammable heal but i suppose it counts as one.

Im also pretty sure all things consider with healing modifiers, that magicka shrooms come out in top but admittedly i have not checked in a while. Not to mention minor intellect is a rare buff to have.

exeeter702 wrote: »

Non healer classes?....

Let me properly word this for you.

2 out of the 6 healers in ESO will need further buffs in the role to compensate for the adjustments made in the upcoming patch.

And just as a side, for what its worth. NB has the best spammable heal in the game full stop.

Which classes are you referring to? Necromancer and Warden I guess? Because they don’t have Shards or why? I think all healing classes are more than fine, Necro has a great replacement for Grand Healing in their class toolkit, Wardens have Mushrooms and the new AoE HoT and Templars don’t need anything.

It’s classes like Sorcerer and Dragonknight that need help. Sorcerer the most from a group healing perspective.

I like the general concepts, but I'm not sure even the healing classes (Templar, Warden, Necro) differ that much. They are all quite similar in their toolkit.
Likewise, the classes mentioned in the OP don't even need that much more to be viable healers - mainly decent AoE HoTs like Ritual and Budding Seeds.

However, there's of course a lot of room for flavour. Lifesteal for Nightblades and Protection for Dragonknights make a lot of sense. For Sorcerers, their theme (lore-wise) is to make deals with daedra and dark forces, so I think their heals and buffs should come at a cost other than magicka (Like Malevolent Offering and Render Flesh), either to themselves or allies. I also think it would be cool to have skills that cost filled Soul Gems.

idk wrote: »

Glanced over sorc and it does not seam to be much of a healing idea. Changes seemed rather boring.

The changes may seem boring because they’re tailored towards changes ZOS would make and not complete class overhauls which will never happen.

Look at my suggestion for Sorcs’ Surge skill and some hours later ZOS said in their PTS notes that they’ve planned something for Surge to benefit Sorc healers. My thread is about approachable suggestions that are in line with ZOS design.

Seraphayel wrote: »

exeeter702 wrote: »

Non healer classes?....

Let me properly word this for you.

2 out of the 6 healers in ESO will need further buffs in the role to compensate for the adjustments made in the upcoming patch.

And just as a side, for what its worth. NB has the best spammable heal in the game full stop.

Which classes are you referring to? Necromancer and Warden I guess? Because they don’t have Shards or why? I think all healing classes are more than fine, Necro has a great replacement for Grand Healing in their class toolkit, Wardens have Mushrooms and the new AoE HoT and Templars don’t need anything.

It’s classes like Sorcerer and Dragonknight that need help. Sorcerer the most from a group healing perspective.

Im specifically reffering to dk and sorcs healers.

Necro, templar and warden are not the "healer classes" just because they have more role specific skill tree design. If that were the case, necro and warden are more healer class than even templar since restoring light is just as multi faceted role wise as NBs siphoning skill line is.