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Has anyone tried Ryzen 3 gen CPUs yet for playing ESO ?
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spekdah✭✭✭I would look here;
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14605/the-and-ryzen-3700x-3900x-review-raising-the-bar
There are bench marks for half a dozen games in 4 resolutions + 95% percentile.
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ATomiX69✭✭✭✭Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
Oh damn you found 1 benchmark where an overclocked intel 9900k, that needs the same cooling system as a nuclear reactor, won against a ryzen processor, congratulations. *clap*
Now lets look at 50 other benchmarks where ryzen wins and doesnt even need half the power draw of your intel processor.Edited by ATomiX69 on July 23, 2019 7:54AMsmurf account
New PvP content when?
Better cyro performance when?
Farmed about 3 GO's worth of AP
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RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
Oh damn you found 1 benchmark where an overclocked intel 9900k, that needs the same cooling system as a nuclear reactor, won against a ryzen processor, congratulations. *clap*
Now lets look at 50 other benchmarks where ryzen wins and doesnt even need half the power draw of your intel processor.
Not my problem that the peasants don't overclock, Intel K and X chips are made for Overclocking it is and it is how it will be.
It is not just one benchmark, it is Every Real Life Gaming Benchmark performed by a non patato owner of overclockable chip.2 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
Oh damn you found 1 benchmark where an overclocked intel 9900k, that needs the same cooling system as a nuclear reactor, won against a ryzen processor, congratulations. *clap*
Now lets look at 50 other benchmarks where ryzen wins and doesnt even need half the power draw of your intel processor.
Not my problem that the peasants don't overclock, Intel K and X chips are made for Overclocking it is and it is how it will be.
It is not just one benchmark, it is Every Real Life Gaming Benchmark performed by a non patato owner of overclockable chip.
You can get a fairly decent overclock on an intel k/x with just air cooling and an AI tune.
One that will be stable and durable, mind you.
Personally, I don't have animus to AMD... I just don't have as much faith in them due to their attempts at inundating the internet with bogus tests. Even there hyping of their 7nm process that's not exactly the same measurement that intel has been using for 30 years and doesn't yield the same density (it's actually lower than intel's 10 nm).
RouDeR, you have put some good information out there. Keep up the good work. I particularly liked your memory overclock thread.Edited by rfennell_ESO on July 23, 2019 12:45PM1 -
Instant✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well.
@rfennell_ESO
There is not a single CPU that can run ESO at stable 60 fps on low settings in all the trials.Peace is a lie, there is only passion.1 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well.
@rfennell_ESO
There is not a single CPU that can run ESO at stable 60 fps on low settings in all the trials.
Motion pictures are 24 fps.
Just saying... The focus on max frame rates is overhyped.
Personally I've always capped frame rates because I don't see a point in just generating heat for something I barely see.
The goal should be to not drop below certain framerates. Just my opinion, I get why people focus on high frame rates.4 -
Ardan147✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well.
@rfennell_ESO
There is not a single CPU that can run ESO at stable 60 fps on low settings in all the trials.
Motion pictures are 24 fps.
Just saying... The focus on max frame rates is overhyped.
Personally I've always capped frame rates because I don't see a point in just generating heat for something I barely see.
The goal should be to not drop below certain framerates. Just my opinion, I get why people focus on high frame rates.
Motion pictures and video games are actually two very different beasts, and while 24 fps is fine for motion pictures it is far below anything acceptable for video games. If you look at a single frame in a motion picture, you will see that it is slightly blurred, since it captures an entire 1/24 second interval. So motion will appear a lot smoother than it would in a video game where every frame is a discrete instance in time. Then there is the fact that a video game will have user input and at only 24 fps input would feel very sluggish.This creature called a songbird. What a devious creation! This winged nuisance erodes sanity with its incessant chirping. What a brilliant form of torture!1 -
Instant✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well.
@rfennell_ESO
There is not a single CPU that can run ESO at stable 60 fps on low settings in all the trials.
Motion pictures are 24 fps.
Just saying... The focus on max frame rates is overhyped.
Personally I've always capped frame rates because I don't see a point in just generating heat for something I barely see.
The goal should be to not drop below certain framerates. Just my opinion, I get why people focus on high frame rates.
I also cap my frame rate but i can feel the difference between 50 and 60 fps and it's like night and day.
It's also not just about having smoother movement on your screen but about the game being more responsive at higher fps.Peace is a lie, there is only passion.2 -
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✭Trying to get back to the original question before this post became a fanboy debate. Who cares what's "better", its all subjective and marginal at this point. BOTH Intel and AMD work and they work great, support and buy from whatever company you want. I have not tried the Ryzen 3000 series yet with ESO. Current gaming rig I am running an Intel but will be doing another build in the coming months with Ryzen 3000 to see how it does. Another thing I am curious about is single core performance with SMT ON vs OFF since Windows 10 scheduler obviously isn't working right with Ryzen 3000.
Interesting results 9900K compared to 3900X with SMT OFF
https://youtube.com/watch?v=iGfIgDFXDUo🌎 PC/NA
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✭✭✭✭✭Haven’t we decided by now that ESO has little to do with hardware (beyond a certain threshold) and more to do with coding optimization and server performance?2 -
coletas✭✭✭✭scorpius2k1 wrote: »
Yes, but is still tied to a main thread that always works much harder than the orher, lagging the rest. I get that 100% cpu in the main thread if i do LA weaving (in HA weaving doesnt happens). With 2x e5-2670, when the main thread gets 100%, skills and LA are queued and It hits everything some seconds after. Meanwhile i only see the animation of trying to make a light attack. The rest of the cores and the gpu are no more than 40% when this happens, but the main thread is 100%.0 -
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✭scorpius2k1 wrote: »
Yes, but is still tied to a main thread that always works much harder than the orher, lagging the rest. I get that 100% cpu in the main thread if i do LA weaving (in HA weaving doesnt happens). With 2x e5-2670, when the main thread gets 100%, skills and LA are queued and It hits everything some seconds after. Meanwhile i only see the animation of trying to make a light attack. The rest of the cores and the gpu are no more than 40% when this happens, but the main thread is 100%.
So basically, they need to optimize the engine better.Haven’t we decided by now that ESO has little to do with hardware (beyond a certain threshold) and more to do with coding optimization and server performance?
The servers are obviously overloaded and the game engine is showing limitation by not scaling well with the growth of the game. It's easy to see how bad Trial performance is on top-end systems (which shouldn't be so bad), and of course all the server problems we have been seeing for ages now. Zenimax definitely needs to do something in both of these areas hopefully sooner than later...🌎 PC/NA
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rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The first proper implementation of DDR5 will probably bescorpius2k1 wrote: »
You are still limited by a single core that feeds processing tasks to the other cores. Somewhere about there is how it works.0 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well.
@rfennell_ESO
There is not a single CPU that can run ESO at stable 60 fps on low settings in all the trials.
Motion pictures are 24 fps.
Just saying... The focus on max frame rates is overhyped.
Personally I've always capped frame rates because I don't see a point in just generating heat for something I barely see.
The goal should be to not drop below certain framerates. Just my opinion, I get why people focus on high frame rates.
I also cap my frame rate but i can feel the difference between 50 and 60 fps and it's like night and day.
It's also not just about having smoother movement on your screen but about the game being more responsive at higher fps.
I've always found that capping frame rate at a rate where the lowest frame rate you will see is closest to the cap works best.
Point being that the variation of frame rates is a bigger issue.
You will be affected by big drops in frame rate more with a high max framerate than if you capped it lower.
It's sort of the same thing with latency. I would much rather have highish latency with less spikes than low latency with big spikes.0 -
Instant✭✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »I've always found that capping frame rate at a rate where the lowest frame rate you will see is closest to the cap works best.
Point being that the variation of frame rates is a bigger issue.
You will be affected by big drops in frame rate more with a high max framerate than if you capped it lower.
It's sort of the same thing with latency. I would much rather have highish latency with less spikes than low latency with big spikes.
I absolutely agree.Peace is a lie, there is only passion.0 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭I`m fairly interested how the new 3-gen Ryzen 3600, 3600x , 3700x, 3800x and 3900x will handle ESO
In theory they should do worse than 8gen and 9gen I7 and I9, because their single core boost and OC capabilities are not as good as Intel.
However the ryzens have advantage in the Cache, it is nearly 3 times more than intel's CPUs,
So have anyone here tried them yet?
I will let you know on Friday-Saturday when the 3900X arrives, and how it goes against my current 8600K @ 4.7Ghz.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on July 23, 2019 3:58PM0 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
Irrelevant benchmark for ESO because
a) Uses RTX2080Ti,
b) Is just a single game out of dozens, so you cherry picking.
c) We know that a Vega 64 + 8600K @ 4.7Ghz has same FPS in ESO with 8700K @ 4.7Ghz and 2080Ti with maxed out settings. That is around 44 FPS in towns like Vulkhel Guard, and 120-144fps in dungeons at 2560x1440
Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on July 23, 2019 7:51PM2 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
Irrelevant benchmark for ESO because
a) Uses RTX2080Ti,
b) Is just a single game out of dozens, so you cherry picking.
c) We know that a Vega 64 + 8600K @ 4.7Ghz has same FPS in ESO with 8700K @ 4.7Ghz and 2080Ti with maxed out settings. That is around 44 FPS in towns like Vulkhel Guard, and 120-144fps in dungeons at 2560x1440
Please do not apply for a job that requires critical/logical thinking
You just confirmed that 2 CPUs (same clock speeds) have the same performance, and u are using this as an argument just becaaaausee ??? please tell me why, i do not see the logic
GTX 1070, GTX 1080, GTX 1080ti, GTX 2060, GTX 2070, GTX 2080, GTX 2080ti, VEGA 56, VEGA 64, VEGA 7 will give you the same equal FPS when running the game at 1440p, because ESO is not GPU demanding game, however it is CPU demanding game and this is what we are comparing here.
I7 6700k, i7700k, 8700k and even 9700k will give you the SAME FPS performance if they have equal clock speeds, so i don't know what the heck are u talking about comparing 2 intel CPUs
I will tell you that :
If you use Ryzen 2700x clocked at 4.2 ghz with 2080ti
and i use Ryzen 1700x or intel 6700k clocked at 4.2 ghz paired with gtx 1070,
we will get EXACT THE SAME FPS in your so called Vulkhel Guard area of ~45 fps no matter of the GPU differences1 -
Jayman1000✭✭✭✭✭
✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well.
@rfennell_ESO
There is not a single CPU that can run ESO at stable 60 fps on low settings in all the trials.
Motion pictures are 24 fps.
Just saying... The focus on max frame rates is overhyped.
Personally I've always capped frame rates because I don't see a point in just generating heat for something I barely see.
The goal should be to not drop below certain framerates. Just my opinion, I get why people focus on high frame rates.
Anything below 60 fps is clearly visibly degrading and less pleasurable to play and watch. If motion pictures had the camera swining around and back and forth like we do in games it'd look choppy and shoddy af.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NocturnalSonata wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »The AMD fanbois are a funny bunch. Usually falling for artificial benchmarks that have no real world implications.
The only time I went AMD the chip burned itself out with noticeable scorch marks on it. I still have it on my wall.
The concept of performance for less $$$ is always a flawed one.
so grand experience of 1 for amd? anecdotal much? - having personal contact with several system builders that make 100's of these things a year, i can honestly say the failure rate on any chip is low, unless you are unlucky or abuse it.
and the $ per performance is not a flawed argument, as despite your experiences, many have been using amd without a hitch. There was a time when i would have agreed with you in regards to $ value to performance in favour of intel, but these days ryzen is undisputed. Never-the-less, intel will still see better fps if you are going to do some OC... this is only for gaming mind you, and the difference is not very much for newer games beyond 1080p. So no, these are not artificial benchmarks, they are captain obvious ones.
From what ive seen, those who spend the effort in getting that top of the line intel hardware are also the ones who overclock their systems and push them to the melting point for that last extra frame. Wouldnt be surprised if their chip combusting was their fault.CP2,100 Master Explorer - AvA Two Star Warlord - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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Nevasca✭✭✭✭✭I have an old i7-6700k and have recorded the cpu use in raids and trials. It never gets close to maxed out playing this game. The highest core use is in loading screens or when lots of pre-calculations or table building is being done. Do those who have cpu problems log their CPU use while playing and correlate it with game events? I'm not saying there aren't cpu problems just that my system does not show that a faster or more efficient cpu will make the game play better.
What's your RAM clock speed? It could be your bottleneck here. I OC'ed mine for about 400hz and got nice increases in CPU usage as well as framerate.0 -
p_tsakirisb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
Irrelevant benchmark for ESO because
a) Uses RTX2080Ti,
b) Is just a single game out of dozens, so you cherry picking.
c) We know that a Vega 64 + 8600K @ 4.7Ghz has same FPS in ESO with 8700K @ 4.7Ghz and 2080Ti with maxed out settings. That is around 44 FPS in towns like Vulkhel Guard, and 120-144fps in dungeons at 2560x1440
Please do not apply for a job that requires critical/logical thinking
You just confirmed that 2 CPUs (same clock speeds) have the same performance, and u are using this as an argument just becaaaausee ??? please tell me why, i do not see the logic
GTX 1070, GTX 1080, GTX 1080ti, GTX 2060, GTX 2070, GTX 2080, GTX 2080ti, VEGA 56, VEGA 64, VEGA 7 will give you the same equal FPS when running the game at 1440p, because ESO is not GPU demanding game, however it is CPU demanding game and this is what we are comparing here.
I7 6700k, i7700k, 8700k and even 9700k will give you the SAME FPS performance if they have equal clock speeds, so i don't know what the heck are u talking about comparing 2 intel CPUs
I will tell you that :
If you use Ryzen 2700x clocked at 4.2 ghz with 2080ti
and i use Ryzen 1700x or intel 6700k clocked at 4.2 ghz paired with gtx 1070,
we will get EXACT THE SAME FPS in your so called Vulkhel Guard area of ~45 fps no matter of the GPU differences
You picked 1 game benchmark, using an RTX2080Ti. You didn't pick a dozen others.
And I am on critical thinking business, and I do apply logic every day, similarly to that if you do not have RTX2080Ti you won't see much different with lesser cards on any game. And especially in ESO doesn't matter either way.
You can carry now writing pointless essays, and bury deeper your self.0 -
LegacyDM✭✭✭✭✭
✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »The AMD fanbois are a funny bunch. Usually falling for artificial benchmarks that have no real world implications.
The only time I went AMD the chip burned itself out with noticeable scorch marks on it. I still have it on my wall.
Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well. Then you have to good old reliability gap between them to consider. Maybe that gap has closed some... but, it's doubtful it really has.
Experience is that a "high end" intel chip will basically last until you retire that system.
If you are dead set on overclocking (you shouldn't be) and going overboard on cooling and getting crazy... well, you really don't have to. All you are really doing it burning electricity and generating needless heat for very little in return.
I'm on my 12th "build". I know because I have all the mobos with processors hanging on my wall as art.
Chasing the overclockers is somewhat pointless and a waste of money. Go for stability and durability on a good processor without doing anything but basic AI tuned overclocking and you won't look back. There is something about checking your temps and them being under 100 F year round (mobo usually at ambient temp) and not having to worry about heat. You can literally run everything on a good intel processor (an I7 or I9) with some basic understanding of system build (not stock, but reasoned decisions about case air flow and processor coolers) and have a rock solid totally reliable system that runs everything you will ever want to.
The concept of performance for less $$$ is always a flawed one.
In 2012 I delided my 3770k, slapped a Corsair h100 on it and overclocked it to 4.6ghz. Still going strong today without issues. With a gtx 1070 I can throw any game at it on max settings without a problem. Overclocking correctly will extend the mileage one gets out of the chip. In fact, my son just turned 7 and I decided to give him my 3770k and this past weekend built myself a new 9900k and just overclocked that to 5ghz. I expect to get at least 10 years out of that computer. I’ve been building computers since 1997 and I’m on my 5th build. Don’t know when you started but I’ll wager I’ve saved more money in the long run by overclocking and being smart about the components I buy.Legacy of Kain
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭CPU (like all other hardware) has a very minimal impact on performance in ESO beyond a certain threshold.
The difference between an r7 3700X and i7 9700K might be 1-2 fps.
It's an extremely poorly optimized game.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 24, 2019 7:12AM4 -
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They're still superior to AMD for gaming (at the high-end) by a fairly wide margin (unless the game is ESO, where every single CPU/GPU performs equally bad).
Having said that, AMD gives you insane value right now in the mid-range CPU market (which is the biggest CPU market by far).
For comparison (in Canadian dollars):
r5 3600:
CPU: $280
Cheapest Mobo: $95
i5 9600K:
CPU: $340
Cheapest Mobo: $165
Price difference: $130
Performance difference: <5%
If you're on a tight budget, an r5 + RTX 2080 is a better buy than an i5 + RTX 2070.
Intel shines in the high-end range (i7/i9), where AMD loses it's price advantage and falls far behind in performance.Edited by MLGProPlayer on July 24, 2019 7:25AM2 -
RouDeR✭✭✭✭✭
✭p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
Irrelevant benchmark for ESO because
a) Uses RTX2080Ti,
b) Is just a single game out of dozens, so you cherry picking.
c) We know that a Vega 64 + 8600K @ 4.7Ghz has same FPS in ESO with 8700K @ 4.7Ghz and 2080Ti with maxed out settings. That is around 44 FPS in towns like Vulkhel Guard, and 120-144fps in dungeons at 2560x1440
Please do not apply for a job that requires critical/logical thinking
You just confirmed that 2 CPUs (same clock speeds) have the same performance, and u are using this as an argument just becaaaausee ??? please tell me why, i do not see the logic
GTX 1070, GTX 1080, GTX 1080ti, GTX 2060, GTX 2070, GTX 2080, GTX 2080ti, VEGA 56, VEGA 64, VEGA 7 will give you the same equal FPS when running the game at 1440p, because ESO is not GPU demanding game, however it is CPU demanding game and this is what we are comparing here.
I7 6700k, i7700k, 8700k and even 9700k will give you the SAME FPS performance if they have equal clock speeds, so i don't know what the heck are u talking about comparing 2 intel CPUs
I will tell you that :
If you use Ryzen 2700x clocked at 4.2 ghz with 2080ti
and i use Ryzen 1700x or intel 6700k clocked at 4.2 ghz paired with gtx 1070,
we will get EXACT THE SAME FPS in your so called Vulkhel Guard area of ~45 fps no matter of the GPU differences
You picked 1 game benchmark, using an RTX2080Ti. You didn't pick a dozen others.
And I am on critical thinking business, and I do apply logic every day, similarly to that if you do not have RTX2080Ti you won't see much different with lesser cards on any game. And especially in ESO doesn't matter either way.
You can carry now writing pointless essays, and bury deeper your self.
I will tell you what you clearly do not understand.
Take a look again at the screenshot and check the Clock speeds of the Intels CPUs vs the AMD 3 gen cpus.
This is what matters for ESO the clock speed of your CPU.
And if you think this is the only game that clock speed matter than take a look at the gaming benchmarks in the video below
https://youtu.be/PAGQwWDyURI
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Eldartar✭✭✭✭After watching many, many reviews and comparisons the SIMPLE truth is this:
If you are just going to be GAMING on your Rig then Intel is the CPU you want (i7 9700k is a sweet CPU)
If on the otherhand if you're doing some sort of Production (Twitch/YT Vids, Rendering etc) and maybe some gaming, then Ryzen 3rd Gen is the one for you.
The truth of the above is out there, you just have to take the time to look.1 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Jayman1000 wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well.
@rfennell_ESO
There is not a single CPU that can run ESO at stable 60 fps on low settings in all the trials.
Motion pictures are 24 fps.
Just saying... The focus on max frame rates is overhyped.
Personally I've always capped frame rates because I don't see a point in just generating heat for something I barely see.
The goal should be to not drop below certain framerates. Just my opinion, I get why people focus on high frame rates.
Anything below 60 fps is clearly visibly degrading and less pleasurable to play and watch. If motion pictures had the camera swining around and back and forth like we do in games it'd look choppy and shoddy af.
Opinions vary.
I've never been bothered by sub 60 fps nor do I even notice screen tearing. My buddy who typically runs a similar system to mine and is usually upgrading at the same time is bothered by it and tearing.
Why that is... who knows. It's not a vision thing as he needs glasses for some things and I have very good vision.
The point about 24 fps and motion pictures is one part that it's sufficient frame rate for an action packed movie and that it's a consistent 24 fps.
As I said earlier...if you cap framerates closers to your low end you will see smaller swings. If you are running 60 fps, but get drops to 20's it will be really noticeable and out of rhythm. That's what I feel is the issue most have.. the swing, not the overall frame rate.rfennell_ESO wrote: »The AMD fanbois are a funny bunch. Usually falling for artificial benchmarks that have no real world implications.
The only time I went AMD the chip burned itself out with noticeable scorch marks on it. I still have it on my wall.
Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well. Then you have to good old reliability gap between them to consider. Maybe that gap has closed some... but, it's doubtful it really has.
Experience is that a "high end" intel chip will basically last until you retire that system.
If you are dead set on overclocking (you shouldn't be) and going overboard on cooling and getting crazy... well, you really don't have to. All you are really doing it burning electricity and generating needless heat for very little in return.
I'm on my 12th "build". I know because I have all the mobos with processors hanging on my wall as art.
Chasing the overclockers is somewhat pointless and a waste of money. Go for stability and durability on a good processor without doing anything but basic AI tuned overclocking and you won't look back. There is something about checking your temps and them being under 100 F year round (mobo usually at ambient temp) and not having to worry about heat. You can literally run everything on a good intel processor (an I7 or I9) with some basic understanding of system build (not stock, but reasoned decisions about case air flow and processor coolers) and have a rock solid totally reliable system that runs everything you will ever want to.
The concept of performance for less $$$ is always a flawed one.
In 2012 I delided my 3770k, slapped a Corsair h100 on it and overclocked it to 4.6ghz. Still going strong today without issues. With a gtx 1070 I can throw any game at it on max settings without a problem. Overclocking correctly will extend the mileage one gets out of the chip. In fact, my son just turned 7 and I decided to give him my 3770k and this past weekend built myself a new 9900k and just overclocked that to 5ghz. I expect to get at least 10 years out of that computer. I’ve been building computers since 1997 and I’m on my 5th build. Don’t know when you started but I’ll wager I’ve saved more money in the long run by overclocking and being smart about the components I buy.
Let's just say that board #1 on my wall is 486 dx2 (first computer I built) and it wasn't my first computer (first pc was a 386 with no math coprocessor).
Most of the systems on my wall didn't fail and were overclocked (some more than others) and were just retired for shinier things. Pentium 1, 2, 3, 4's, core 2. I got about 7 years out of my overclocked core 2 duo.
I have 15 video cards on the wall as well ;p (and 22 mice in my computer drawer)
Point being my computer building goes back a bit further than yours. Furthermore, some of the boards on my wall were kept as back up systems (running systems) operating in conjunction with a newer system.0 -
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✭Problem with Intel is if you want to upgrade your CPU you have to buy a new mobo too so AMD is much better value1
