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Has anyone tried Ryzen 3 gen CPUs yet for playing ESO ?
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I`m fairly interested how the new 3-gen Ryzen 3600, 3600x , 3700x, 3800x and 3900x will handle ESO
In theory they should do worse than 8gen and 9gen I7 and I9, because their single core boost and OC capabilities are not as good as Intel.
However the ryzens have advantage in the Cache, it is nearly 3 times more than intel's CPUs,
So have anyone here tried them yet?
In theory they should do worse than 8gen and 9gen I7 and I9, because their single core boost and OC capabilities are not as good as Intel.
However the ryzens have advantage in the Cache, it is nearly 3 times more than intel's CPUs,
So have anyone here tried them yet?
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IIISYNIII✭✭✭No, but in a few months I'll be able to tell you. I already got the gigabyte Aorus Pro WIFI and the Ryzen 3600x. Next will be the 5700 xt GPU. Then we will see.
From my understanding, ESO uses more single core speed then multicore. This will make the new Ryzen 7nm series outperform Intels CPU's.1 -
Ulfson✭✭✭I have an old i7-6700k and have recorded the cpu use in raids and trials. It never gets close to maxed out playing this game. The highest core use is in loading screens or when lots of pre-calculations or table building is being done. Do those who have cpu problems log their CPU use while playing and correlate it with game events? I'm not saying there aren't cpu problems just that my system does not show that a faster or more efficient cpu will make the game play better.2
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coletas✭✭✭✭Eso uses one main thread often overloaded and all orher cores dependent on that main thread that feeds them. Im using 2x e5-2670 and perfomance sometimes has the bottleneck of that main thread (and the rest 15 cores are about 30%), when that happens, i cant do weaving with LA before skill (but i can preload heavy attacks). Anyway the main perfomance problem on this game are the servers, so you have little to do from your part. Memory usage and GPU usage is ridiculous on this game too. 3gb ram (on a 64gb system) and about 40% as Max GPU (on gtx980). A ryzen 3600 should be much more than enough for this game, specially if you can lock all cores to 4.2... but well, wait some months until they fix all the problems they are having0
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What did you upgrade from and are the any difference?No, but in a few months I'll be able to tell you. I already got the gigabyte Aorus Pro WIFI and the Ryzen 3600x. Next will be the 5700 xt GPU. Then we will see.
From my understanding, ESO uses more single core speed then multicore. This will make the new Ryzen 7nm series outperform Intels CPU's.
Wouldn't ESO leaning in single core give the edge to Intel with the higher clock speeds ?
Trying to decide between the Ryzen 3700X and intel 9700K myself for gaming. Since I'm not gonna get the X570 boards with the hideous chipset fans they're both PCI-e 3.0 and the price is actually pretty similar.
Would be real interesting which architecture does the best (or least bad ) with ESO. Other games there are plenty of benchmarks in the reviews - some old MMO not so much.
Regarding ESO benchmarks I found this one. Quite complex but pre-summerset (multicore support) and also old hardware - and somewhat confusing with google translate.
https://gamegpu.com/mmorpg-/-онлайн-игры/the-elder-scrolls-online-morrowind-test-gpu-cpu
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✭✭✭✭I don't think a better CPU would be a solution to a server based bottleneck. Plus as far as gaming goes single core performance is still what matters the most in the end.(But still ESO fails to make use of my quad core 6600k. I'm pretty sure whatever ryzen model you buy it will easily run this game with almost no performance difference with an intel one.) I'm curious as to what makes you think ESO would be a good game to benchmark a new CPU where so many of the performance issues come from server issues, and the fact that its multiplayer also makes it impossible to do a fair open world performance comparission.
So in a nutshell, it would not be fair to call a CPU good or bad depending on how it does in ESO. You could probably play this game on a dual-core pentium 4 with some overclocking.Edited by Ragnarock41 on July 21, 2019 9:44PM3 -
Dake✭✭I'm not thinking ESO is good for benchmarking a new CPU. I would even be surprised if a game this old would utilize either brand new CPU to the fullest. But since I do play a fair bit of ESO it would weigh in on my decision if one would perform significantly better than the other.0
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coletas✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't think a better CPU would be a solution to a server based bottleneck. Plus as far as gaming goes single core performance is still what matters the most in the end.(But still ESO fails to make use of my quad core 6600k. I'm pretty sure whatever ryzen model you buy it will easily run this game with almost no performance difference with an intel one.) I'm curious as to what makes you think ESO would be a good game to benchmark a new CPU where so many of the performance issues come from server issues, and the fact that its multiplayer also makes it impossible to do a fair open world performance comparission.
So in a nutshell, it would not be fair to call a CPU good or bad depending on how it does in ESO. You could probably play this game on a dual-core pentium 4 with some overclocking.
Na, i used years ago a 9550 on water completely stable at 4200, and dont move It very well (altough you can play). Anyway, eso is very bad optimized and server based anticheating so isnt good for any benchmark0 -
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Mygalomorpea✭✭✭From what I have seen so far (not tested myself since AMD forgot to ship to my country) if you compare just about any ryzen 3600 or higher with a high spec Intel on single core heavy games the result will be within around 3% of the Intel version. This is vs top spec Intel gen 8 and 9 processors that cost twice as much.
If you want the top spec then Intel will be better. But only if price is not any form of factor in your decision. And if you really want 3 more fps when over 100fps already... I mean, who will really notice that minor difference?3 -
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When I run the benchmark on FarCry 5 or newer on the Ultra settings possible I get over 150 FPS average. On ESO I get capped at 100 FPS with V-Sync off. In dungeons and raids i get about 60- 70 fps in general and my latency is about 40-60 on average. I checked my CPU usage while in a raid and it barely goes above 15%.
I also have a Dell 1050 with a 1050TI and I7 processor and with same latency I Manage to get about 40-60 FPS but again a laptop definitely will not get you the best FPS compared to a PC but again the CPU usage there were also bellow 20%.
So in my exp, it's not your system which bottlenecks the performance but the Server.
But at the same point you cant expect to play the game on an old PC and expect best performance.
So as long as you have the larest hardware, Intel or AMD, both will work fine and probably give about same result for ESO, however I would not build a PC with just ESO in my head because you never know how long you will stay here and when you move on, next game might not perform so well.Urban.Monk
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NocturnalSonata✭✭✭Theoretically, intel will outperform ryzen in eso due to single core speeds... but unless you are going to do some overclocking, then 3000 ryzen will be on par, if not better, than many intel chips. If you do some OC then the theoretical fps increase is on intels side.
Theoreticals aside - eso is very poorly optimized, so i doubt the performance increase is going to be large either way, especially if you are over 4.2ghz anyway. It is going to be more apparent on the lower end of the spectrum where 5-10fps is actually noticeable in some cases.
I digress though - trials/pvp have some of the worst performance issues, with fps all over the place. In other games which have far heavier requirements, you will probably find your components keeping pace, but eso is eso... expect it to take a dump randomly.0 -
ATomiX69✭✭✭✭Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.smurf account
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✭✭I play on several years old I5 / Nvidia 1050 potato with ADSL over old copper (<2Mbyte/s down <1Mbyte/s up) and with 16G ram and SSD, client runs fine in 2560 x 1440. (I think I've turned down shadows and particles but increased view distance.)
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✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't think a better CPU would be a solution to a server based bottleneck. Plus as far as gaming goes single core performance is still what matters the most in the end.(But still ESO fails to make use of my quad core 6600k. I'm pretty sure whatever ryzen model you buy it will easily run this game with almost no performance difference with an intel one.) I'm curious as to what makes you think ESO would be a good game to benchmark a new CPU where so many of the performance issues come from server issues, and the fact that its multiplayer also makes it impossible to do a fair open world performance comparission.
So in a nutshell, it would not be fair to call a CPU good or bad depending on how it does in ESO. You could probably play this game on a dual-core pentium 4 with some overclocking.
Na, i used years ago a 9550 on water completely stable at 4200, and dont move It very well (altough you can play). Anyway, eso is very bad optimized and server based anticheating so isnt good for any benchmark
I think you got scammed good sir , The 9550 is not a CPU, Its a thermal power plant. Sarcasm aside its a commonly known fact that fx series are generally garbage for gaming no matter how high you push their clock speeds. AMDs biggest failure that completely destroyed their reputation.Edited by Ragnarock41 on July 22, 2019 12:37PM1 -
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I really pity those that feel like they need to pick a side or belong to something as silly as a cpu/gpu brand for companies that see them as nothing more than money, while the competition between the rival companies only benefits the customer. Or were they really happy buying overpriced quadcore intel cpus?3 -
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✭✭The AMD fanbois are a funny bunch. Usually falling for artificial benchmarks that have no real world implications.
The only time I went AMD the chip burned itself out with noticeable scorch marks on it. I still have it on my wall.
Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well. Then you have to good old reliability gap between them to consider. Maybe that gap has closed some... but, it's doubtful it really has.
Experience is that a "high end" intel chip will basically last until you retire that system.
If you are dead set on overclocking (you shouldn't be) and going overboard on cooling and getting crazy... well, you really don't have to. All you are really doing it burning electricity and generating needless heat for very little in return.
I'm on my 12th "build". I know because I have all the mobos with processors hanging on my wall as art.
Chasing the overclockers is somewhat pointless and a waste of money. Go for stability and durability on a good processor without doing anything but basic AI tuned overclocking and you won't look back. There is something about checking your temps and them being under 100 F year round (mobo usually at ambient temp) and not having to worry about heat. You can literally run everything on a good intel processor (an I7 or I9) with some basic understanding of system build (not stock, but reasoned decisions about case air flow and processor coolers) and have a rock solid totally reliable system that runs everything you will ever want to.
The concept of performance for less $$$ is always a flawed one.3 -
coletas✭✭✭✭Ragnarock41 wrote: »Ragnarock41 wrote: »I don't think a better CPU would be a solution to a server based bottleneck. Plus as far as gaming goes single core performance is still what matters the most in the end.(But still ESO fails to make use of my quad core 6600k. I'm pretty sure whatever ryzen model you buy it will easily run this game with almost no performance difference with an intel one.) I'm curious as to what makes you think ESO would be a good game to benchmark a new CPU where so many of the performance issues come from server issues, and the fact that its multiplayer also makes it impossible to do a fair open world performance comparission.
So in a nutshell, it would not be fair to call a CPU good or bad depending on how it does in ESO. You could probably play this game on a dual-core pentium 4 with some overclocking.
Na, i used years ago a 9550 on water completely stable at 4200, and dont move It very well (altough you can play). Anyway, eso is very bad optimized and server based anticheating so isnt good for any benchmark
I think you got scammed good sir , The 9550 is not a CPU, Its a thermal power plant. Sarcasm aside its a commonly known fact that fx series are generally garbage for gaming no matter how high you push their clock speeds. AMDs biggest failure that completely destroyed their reputation.
Ah, no, It was a q9550, but still have a high tdp (anyway, i have It overclocked and perfectly working since 2008). I have used all types of Intel and amds, and since x4400-4600, all has been deceptions on AMD. Specially on servers (opterons). Good benchmarks, and really bad real Life performance, shutterings, etc. Sure most of that fails are from the bad tested mainboards, but the result is that you always have to eat a mehhh server or desktop. With Intel everything is much more tested. Anyway... I woulnt buy anything that has been launched in the same year, Intel or AMD. I have had my amd Fanboy since 586-iii to x4600, but since that all has been bugs, burned processors and mbs, and some Big €€€ Traps for me like buying some opterons servers for farm rendering. In a year or so i would buy one anyway to see if that awesome benchmarks and prices translate into something real
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Driving a 2560x1440 display.
The only CPU-inflicted lag is during add-on use (MM) in the background, notably at startup, very rarely during play.
That system is fast enough, I can't see how a Ryzen 3 should not be fast enough then.1 -
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✭✭Seriously doubt you would get any bad performance on a Ryzen 3000 when even a 2600X can play the game on ultra with no problem. The only lag you will see is in PvP, where it would lag anyway because of either bugs (like the infinite reloading texture bug), or coding routines that rely on network input from the server.
Don't know what CPU you have, but its unlikely you will see massive performance gains in this game on the live server. Though it does look like the PTS client was updated...1 -
NocturnalSonata✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »The AMD fanbois are a funny bunch. Usually falling for artificial benchmarks that have no real world implications.
The only time I went AMD the chip burned itself out with noticeable scorch marks on it. I still have it on my wall.
The concept of performance for less $$$ is always a flawed one.
so grand experience of 1 for amd? anecdotal much? - having personal contact with several system builders that make 100's of these things a year, i can honestly say the failure rate on any chip is low, unless you are unlucky or abuse it.
and the $ per performance is not a flawed argument, as despite your experiences, many have been using amd without a hitch. There was a time when i would have agreed with you in regards to $ value to performance in favour of intel, but these days ryzen is undisputed. Never-the-less, intel will still see better fps if you are going to do some OC... this is only for gaming mind you, and the difference is not very much for newer games beyond 1080p. So no, these are not artificial benchmarks, they are captain obvious ones.5 -
Asys✭✭✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »The AMD fanbois are a funny bunch. Usually falling for artificial benchmarks that have no real world implications.
The only time I went AMD the chip burned itself out with noticeable scorch marks on it. I still have it on my wall.
Overall either high end chip will be more (far more) than enough to run eso well. Then you have to good old reliability gap between them to consider. Maybe that gap has closed some... but, it's doubtful it really has.
Experience is that a "high end" intel chip will basically last until you retire that system.
If you are dead set on overclocking (you shouldn't be) and going overboard on cooling and getting crazy... well, you really don't have to. All you are really doing it burning electricity and generating needless heat for very little in return.
I'm on my 12th "build". I know because I have all the mobos with processors hanging on my wall as art.
Chasing the overclockers is somewhat pointless and a waste of money. Go for stability and durability on a good processor without doing anything but basic AI tuned overclocking and you won't look back. There is something about checking your temps and them being under 100 F year round (mobo usually at ambient temp) and not having to worry about heat. You can literally run everything on a good intel processor (an I7 or I9) with some basic understanding of system build (not stock, but reasoned decisions about case air flow and processor coolers) and have a rock solid totally reliable system that runs everything you will ever want to.
The concept of performance for less $$$ is always a flawed one.
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✭This thread is not about if Ryzen 3 gen is better than intel 9 gen, becaus it is NOT.
I7 9700k Overclocked at 5.2 ghz beats Ryzen 3600, 3700x and 3900x with more than 10% performance in games, Just because 95% of the games are Dependant on core frequancy.
The poor ryzen chips are already pushed to their limits on stock (out of the box) unlike Intel where you have a big room for overclocking and sustained durability.It is like comparing maximum speed of a Car with 150 horse powers(AMD) against car with 200 hps(Intel) but the speed that the 150hps car reaches using Fifth gear, the 200 hps can reach at 4th gear and can keep going up.
The question of my post is does the higher memory Core Cache helps in ESO.
@IIISYNIII i think you use some strong drugs if you think Ryzen has higher clocks than intel.Edited by RouDeR on July 22, 2019 3:57PM2 -
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✭Get a real processor lmao get an intel
3rd gen Ryzen is beating 9th gen Intel in every aspect, price, single/multicore-performance, core count, TDP all the stuff, check some benchmarks and realize you might be buying overpriced stuff just because it gets advertized more and because Intel used to have a monopoly on the CPU market about 3 years ago.
Say again ?
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you must be drunk if you think this is an actual benchmark
even the prices are wrong
Here, educate your self
https://youtu.be/PAGQwWDyURI Edited by RouDeR on July 22, 2019 9:22PM0
