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Dungeon Finder to include Trials?
radiostar
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Should Z add all the game Trials, similar to all the game Dungeons, to the Dungeon Finder so we can PUG and learn Trials as well as the Dungeons?
This would not be mandatory, just like using the Finder is not mandatory for Dungeons currently.
Private poll, only Z sees your opinion.
This would not be mandatory, just like using the Finder is not mandatory for Dungeons currently.
Private poll, only Z sees your opinion.
"Billions upon Billions of Stars"
Dungeon Finder to include Trials? 209 votes
Yes
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125 votes
No
32%
67 votes
Other/Explain In Comments
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17 votes
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PizzaCat82✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The only trials that I'm comfortable doing with 12 random people who lied about their role and DPS is normal cragslorn trials, and even then, half of them probably don't know mechanics.16 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭How about they get the regular Battle Ground queue and Dungeon Finder in a stable, working order before adding trials?19 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭i could see a group finder for normal trials...but i see a lot of issues
a) can the group finder even handle the size / complexity?
b) the chance ot end up in a bad / fake group with so many more people is so much higher and the frustration potential so much bigger...
maybe they can add a system that makes the manual process easier / more comfortable6 -
Austinseph1✭✭✭✭✭If it’s half as bad as every group finder group I get put in then it would 100% not work, not even worth the time to implement. People can’t be bothered to properly use food and a basic rotation before going into a vet dlc dungeon. Getting a proper guild to show you the ropes is how it should be. Lets have them spend the development time on more important content and bug fixes.1 -
radiostar✭✭✭✭✭
✭I get the gist. But when the call sent out to Zone is have 45K dps AND a clear, we need a Finder for those wanting to run the content without that gate."Billions upon Billions of Stars"2 -
Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭I get the gist. But when the call sent out to Zone is have 45K dps AND a clear, we need a Finder for those wanting to run the content without that gate.
45k dps is overkill, but it's a good way to make sure your pug will not fail. Asking for a clear doesn't look so dramatic.PC - EU - France - AD
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ccfeeling✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭VSS is pretty simple trial , unlike VMOL , VCR , VHOF .
It can be done by 35k dps for sure .
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Tommy_The_Gun✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Tbh. I have no idea why it still does not support it. Many ppl dont play them at all because of that reason. Only do them once to "clear" the map.
I simply dont see a reson why arenas & trials are not supported. Those are pretty easy on normal even when pugged. Veteran might be more chalenging, but definitely do-able.0 -
Evito✭✭✭I get the gist. But when the call sent out to Zone is have 45K dps AND a clear, we need a Finder for those wanting to run the content without that gate.
So you want a bunch of 20k dpsers like you get in dungeon finder for DLC trials with no clue what to do in order to accomplish what exactly? You'll just wipe a few times and people will leave.
The requirements are basically 30k for crag trials, 40k for DLC trials and 45k or more for most of the HMs and it's that way for a reason.
Edit: Normal trials would be fine in dungeon finder, vet trials would be a complete disasterEdited by Evito on July 23, 2019 8:40AM2 -
redlink1979✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Not a good idea because some have no problems in lying to others about their role and their dps. Also, mechanics knowledge and coordination is a must.
PS - I've seen what a bad pug can do in a dlc dungeon vet mode...Edited by redlink1979 on July 23, 2019 8:46AM"Sweet Mother, sweet Mother, send your child unto me, for the sins of the unworthy must be baptized in blood and fear"- Sons of the Night Mother | VforVendetta | Grownups Gaming EU | English Elders [PS][EU] 2500 CP
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Elwendryll✭✭✭✭✭
✭45k dps is not overkill for vSS vHoF vAS vCR
I was talking about craglorn trials, because some people actually ask for 45k for craglorn trials. But yeah, I would exclude vSS from that list unless we start going into HMs.Edited by Elwendryll on July 23, 2019 9:20AMPC - EU - France - AD
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Guildmaster of Oriflamme: Focus on 4 player endgame content.
Member of Brave Cat Trade, Panda Division and Toadhuggers.
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AbysmalGhul✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'd only agree to it if they rename it " Looking for carries and begging for equipment"7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I'm for it. Let the random people see what trials are about. They might not succeed, but they will learn something, and it might motivate them. To join a guild, to improve themselves, etc.
I really dislike the argument "but they dont know the mechanics". Nobody knows the mechanics of a new trial. It has to be figured out first. Letting the "elite guilds" figure it out first, then watch them on youtube and copy it, that's just a crutch in my opinion. Making it a requirement, like this was a job, not a game for fun, that's just sad.
If you feel like "it would be a waste of my time", well, the trial group finder probably wasn't meant for you, feel free to continue to do them with your guild.8 -
Artim_X✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Only if it's a separate trial finder with normal as the only option. Maybe even with a vet ready check feature while in the trial for groups that are feeling ambitious.
I like the idea of a trial finder, since often a group might just need a few more players, but are having trouble picking up people in zones/guilds.(AD) Artim X/Xirtām/Måtrix |PC/NA| Casual staff wielding vampire sorcerer/templar/arcanistElectric-Stunhttps://media.giphy.com/media/Av0zcKH3i2BkaY1GXW/giphy.gif/https://c.tenor.com/jQHdFftrgwMAAAAC/tenor.gifElectric-Pets- Roleplay Damage Dealing Build.
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (infused/shock enchant), and Kinras's jewelry (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused/flame/weapon damage enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Boundless Storm, Mages' Wrath, Lightning Flood, Shocking Soul (Shock damage, Class Mastery Signature Script, and Empower), and Power Overload.
- Ability-Bar 2: Storm Pulsar, Streak, Shock Reach, Unstable Wall of Storms, Shocking Burst (Shock Damage, remove 1 negative effect, and interrupt) and Thunderous Rage.
Solo: Use Kinras's chest, replace Mora with Ring of the Pale Order, and use a heavy Slimcraw piece for max critical.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNHVjemwxZHI2ZmQ2bTg1ZG0xOTZ3b2QwajBzNGxmaHh6OXRpN3p6YSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/eBgWizk5dmZRS/giphy.gifElectric-Heal- Stress free one bar pet build .
- Gear: 5 Infallible Aether (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants. No chest piece), 1 medium Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, medium, Max Mag Enchants), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant ring and necklace (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant), Oakensoul ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant)
- Ability-Bar: Daedric Prey, Summon Volatile Familiar, Bound Armaments, Unstable Wall of Storms, Summon Twilight Matriarch, and Greater storm Atronach.
https://media.giphy.com/media/5ibGIHneWS6ek/giphy.gifElectric-Ward- My Healer Build.
- Gear: 5 Spell Power Cure (All apparel light and Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 Slimecraw Guise for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchants), Maelstrom's Perfected Lightning Staff (Charged/shock enchant), and Infallible Aether jewelry (arcane with spell damage enchant)/restoration staff (Powered with absorb magicka enchant). 1 Mora's Whispers.
- Ability-Bar 1: Power Surge, Boundless Storm, Blessing of Restoration, Energy Orb, Twilight Matriarch, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Dark Deal, Overflowing Altar, Elemental Drain, Blockade of Storms, Twilight Matriarch, and Aggressive Horn.
https://media.giphy.com/media/Wa0TGmtDvwW3e/giphy.gifElectric-Vamp- My Meme Tank Build that uses high resistance and variety of wards.
- Gear: 5 Brands of Imperium (All body pieces except Head and Shoulders, with Divine trait, and with Prismatic Defense Enchants), full Iceheart (1 light and 1 medium. Divines and Prismatic Enchant), and Combat Physician jewelry (bloodthirsty with Prismatic Recovery Enchants), Combat Physician restoration staff (Infused with hardening enchant), and combat physician ice staff (Infused with crusher enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Critical Surge, Bound Aegis, Deep Thoughts, Boundless Storm, Healing Ward, and Replenishing Barrier.
- Ability-Bar 2: Silver Leash (Elemental Drain if healer isn't running it), Bound Aegis, Frost Clench, Blockade of Frost, Empowered Ward, and Temporal Guard.
https://media.giphy.com/media/ukDQiYZzRAxMZKcK86/giphy.gifDawnfang- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (medium chest and body pieces light. All Impenetrable with Prismatic Enchants). Gaze of Sithis and 1 light Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton (light shoulders, and impenetrable with Prismtaic Enchants). Knight Slayer (Swift with spell damage enchant)/lightning staff (infused with oblivion enchant)/restoration staff (infused with oblivion enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Structured Entropy, Boundless Storm, Soul Splitting Trap, Radiating Regeneration, Healing Ward, and Life Giver.
- Ability-Bar 2: Drain Vigor (Elemental Susceptibility), Race Against Time, Rune Cage, Radiant Magelight, Regenerative Ward, and Shatter Soul.
https://media.tenor.com/ogWfvDdsqBIAAAAd/anime-black-clover.gifDuskfang- My casual one bar heavy attack Templar build that primarily utilizes Aedric Spear abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Puncturing Sweep, Aurora Javelin, Toppling Charge, Blazing Spear, Radiant Ward/Breath of life, and Crescent Sweep.
https://media.tenor.com/Jo8aG_ouy_oAAAAd/ac-odyssey.gifEye of the Queen- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Radiant Oppression, Race Against Time, Aurora Javelin, Breath of Life, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fd/44/1c/fd441c8242af6ec35ada94496feb0901.gifEye of the King- My casual one bar heavy attack Arcanist build that primarily utilizes Herald of the Tome abilities.
- Gear: 5 Noble Duelist (Head or Shoulder and body pieces except Chest. All body pieces Divines with Max Mag Enchants), 1 light Slimecraw for max spell critical (Divines, light, Max Mag Enchant), Lightning Staff of the Sergeant (precise/shock enchant), Sergeant's chest (Divines and max magicka enchant), and Sergeant's Mail jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (bloodthirsty with spell damage enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Pragmatic Fatecarver, Cephaliarch's Flail, Rune of Displacement, Inspired Scholarship/Evolving Runemend, and The Languid Eye.
https://i.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExOTAzdjV1eTgwbDFmM3lrZmxuMXRqdDR3Y3h1ZDRpajR0M3VjZzQ3NSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/zXmbOaTpbY6mA/giphy.gifPvE Starter Gear- Tanky stage 4 vampire utility focused PvP healer that can take down very inexperienced players but is primarily focused on working alongside others in an organized group, PUGs, or zergs.
- Gear: 5 Torug's Pact (Heavy Chest with light Head, Waist, Hands, and Feet. All body pieces Impenetrable. Health enchant on chest/head/legs and everything else Prismatic Enchants), 1 Medium Mighty Chudan/Pirate Skeleton Shoulder (Impenetrable, Prismatic Enchant), Knight Slayer Restoration Staff (Infused/Decrease Health enchant), and Knight Slayer jewelry (One Ring and one Neck. Both Swift with spell damage enchant). 1 Oakensoul Ring (Swift with Spell Damage Enchant).
- Ability-Bar 1: Escalating Runeblades, Race Against Time, Rune of Uncanny Adoration, Evolving Runemend, Resolving Vigor, and Life Giver.
https://media.giphy.com/media/6CovzgyTig7M4/giphy.gifRace- Gear: 5 Law of Julianos (heavy chest, gloves/belt light, and the rest can be light or 1 medium piece if you're not wearing medium anywhere else on your body. All in training if grinding for XP or divines), Armor of the Seducer or Magnus' Gift head, shoulder, and staves (light with 1 medium piece if you are not already wearing 1 medium Julianos piece. All in training or divines. The staves should be training or infused), and 3 purple Willpower Jewelry with Arcane trait (can be bought from trading guilds for relatively cheap.
- Check tamrieltradecentre.com for the best deals if you're not using a price checking addon).
https://media.giphy.com/media/sdEkeWpiaGz0A/giphy.gifMundus Stones- High elf, since you will not have issues with sustain, but other mag based races are also fine so this is more of a personal choice.
https://media.giphy.com/media/cT3wMhLGQWdKU/giphy.gifCurrent Champion Points- PvP: The Steed for speed. Gotta go fast!
- PvE Healing/Damage: The Thief for decent crit rate.
- PvE Tanking: The Lady to get close to resistance cap.
https://media.giphy.com/media/l4FGDAx6u3hthMhgI/giphy.gifFavorite Foods and Potions- DPS: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Exploiter, Weapons Expert, Fighting Finesse, Master-at-Arms, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Healer Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Hope Infusion, Weapon's Expert, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- Tanky Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Ironclad, Enduring Resolve, Reinforced, Duelist's Rebuff, Bastion, Ward Master, Rejuvenation, Fortified.
- PvP Sorc: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, Occult Overload, Arcane Supremacy, Bastion, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
- PvP Temp/Arcanist: Shadowstrike/ Master Gatherer, Meticulous Disassembly/Plentiful Harvest, Steed's Blessing, Sustaining Shadows, Enlivening Overflow, Weapon's Expert, From the Brink, Arcane Supremacy, Celerity, Rejuvenation, Fortified, Boundless Vitality.
https://media.giphy.com/media/3otPoTggaYFNd1FdAI/giphy.gif- Parse Food for PvE:(DPS) Ghastly Eye Bowl (increases Max Magicka by 4592 and Magicka Recovery by 459 for 2 hours).
- Gold/Purple Food for Sorc PvP and Meme Tanking:(PvP) Clockwork Citrus Filet (increases Max Health by 3326, Health Recovery by 406 [useful if stage 1 vampire], Max Magicka by 3080, and Magicka Recovery by 338 for 2 hours). Witchmother's Potent Brew (Increase Max Magicka by 2856, Max Health by 3094, and Magicka Recovery by 315 for 2 hours.
- Trash Potions when feeling cheap: Regular CP150 Essence of Magicka pots that I obtain frequently from playing the game or Crown Tri-Restoration Potion obtained from dailies.
- Crafted Potions: Essence of Spell Critical (Bugloss, Lady's Smock, and Water Hyacinth). Without magelight this is my primary means of obtaining Major Prophecy on my Sorc, which increases my Spell Critical Rating. This also heals and restores magicka. Essence of Immovability (Columbine, Corn Flower, and Wormwood). I use this in PvP, since this gives me stealth detection, knockback immunity, and restores magicka (better to use it when competent allies are nearby, since it might reveal that you are surrounded by multiple players in stealth and you will not have an emergency pot available after use). Essence of Invisibility with only 2 ingredients (Blue Entoloma, Namira's Rot, Nirnroot, or Spider Egg). I use this in PvE content that requires stealth and if I need more speed I'll use Rapid Maneuver before using the potion. Essence of Invisibility with 3 ingredients (Blessed Thistle, Blue Entoloma, and Namira's Rot). Very useful in PvP alongside the vampire Dark Stalker passive, since you'll be invisible, ignore movement speed penalty while in Crouch, and you'll have a 30% movement speed boost from Major Expedition (I always have this slotted when riding from point A to B in PvP land, since gankers are always lurking). My templar/arcanist will mostly use Essence of Health (Tri-Stat Potion) Ingredients: (Mountain Flower, Columbine, and Bugloss).
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StormChaser3000✭✭✭✭✭
✭Bad idea. Unless they implement pre-queueing compulsory dps checks, the amount of potatoes in trials will be unbearable.4 -
AlcastClass RepresentativeNormal sure why not, but you will also get fake tanks and stuff like that so it will be a shitshow in the end.
Veteran definitely not.https://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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Eso101rus✭✭✭✭No....join a trials guild instead. Learning trials in a pug where it’s unlikely someone will lead and guide is not fair to learners or casuals. Group finder is proof of this, join a trial guild and prepare to learn.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Fake tanks, low DPS and bad healers would make it a miserable experience. I’d be willing to bet a high percentage would not be finished. But, if people want to take that risk, I’m not dead set against them having the choice."Get off my lawn!"2 -
kwinter✭✭✭When the game first came out you could use group finder for trials, but it wasn’t used much.1 -
SpacemanSpiff1✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭eh. group finder is flakey af as it is.
adding in 8 more people that may or may not be their role doesn't seem like an awesome idea.1 -
ATreeGnome✭✭✭✭I support it in principle, I want more people to have opportunities to learn and experience trials. In practice though, it's hard to see how it wouldn't end up just being complete chaos without more organization than the current LFG tool offers. Vet trials when you actually needs to have people designated to deal with mechanics would be almost impossible. Most normal trials would be feasible but even then it just takes 1 genius with who queued as a DPS with a pierce armour spam build to constantly overtaunt the boss and wipe an inexperienced group.0 -
Wifeaggro13✭✭✭✭✭
✭Should Z add all the game Trials, similar to all the game Dungeons, to the Dungeon Finder so we can PUG and learn Trials as well as the Dungeons?
This would not be mandatory, just like using the Finder is not mandatory for Dungeons currently.
Private poll, only Z sees your opinion.
But wait I thought the only people that wanna do trials is like 1 %of the population. I thought the community wanted the dev's to stop making dungeons and trials and focus on that awesome leveling content with no levels?. They need a better group finder system period. The role selector should not allow you to cue for a roll .until it checks your base stats and attributes .to make sure you meet the minimum requirements for that role.1 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I don't see why not as long as it's just normal mode. Normal trials are just as easy as normal dungeons."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The game can´t even figure out how to group 4 people for a random dungeon most of the time, so I can´t imagine it trying to round up to 12 people.2 -
Erelah✭✭✭✭Here is what I am reading in a lot of posts:
The issue of why I wouldn't use it is X so nobody should have it.
People already form groups for Dungeons as it is (Especially for DLC dungeon achievements such as no death and speed runs). Using the activity finder (for dungeons and battle grounds) people can lie about their roles, be horrible at their roles, or gasp not know the dungeon or activity inside and out.
If you are looking for a random group that is the draw back you may not get the best of the best, with gold gear, running the best in slot sets. The trade off is a larger pool will likely start playing and people will develop the skills to win. I am going to put on my Captain Obvious hat and state what is already known. Most players enjoy beating content. They love doing dungeons and being successful and they wish to contribute to their groups. Everyone learned the dungeons by entering in and dying. Some jumped in the PTS and died a lot (consoles cannot do this). The rest by entering a dungeon and trying it out. Finally all of our time is valuable and we each have our own learning methods. Some learn by watching videos (after someone else learned by trial and error) and others learn by doing (and then make videos for others to watch).
tl;dr I am for it as I like more options for others to have fun. I am not waiting for Zenimax to write the perfect code first or I would only play elder scroll games after the community issued patches which may be found for Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim and every other game. I have way to much fun playing it while new to do that!2 -
Donny_Vito✭✭✭✭✭
✭PizzaCat82 wrote: »The only trials that I'm comfortable doing with 12 random people who lied about their role and DPS is normal cragslorn trials, and even then, half of them probably don't know mechanics.
Well it's a good thing that Craglorn trials can be done blindfolded and with one hand, so mechanics are basically moot.0
