Overload Heavy Attack: the new Goliath bash spam

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

Hold left click to gain the highest melee DpS in PvP (averages 8k per tick every second), on the strongest ranged caster spec in PvP. I'm glad it was buffed after being worthless for years, but it also shouldn't be doing significantly more DpS than other AoE Magicka Ultimates like Meteor, Crescent Sweep, Soul Tether, etc. It would also be nice if one of the two very similar morphs was made into Physical damage for Stam Sorcs...

TheRealSniker · July 2019

(averages 8k per tick every second)

Thats weird cause it only ticks for 3,5k on my medium toon

Wuuffyy · July 2019

He's just another nerfomancer looking to hit all the class and specs Sept the one he is using and spreading misinformation in the process GG.

Aedaryl · July 2019

TheRealSniker wrote: »

(averages 8k per tick every second)

Thats weird cause it only ticks for 3,5k on my medium toon

He maybe have his number from off balance now affecting overload heavy attacks (+70% damage modifier, 80% with the 10%cps passive)

Didn't tested yet.

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

I'm not a "he", and the initial Direct Damage hits from Meteors, Crescent Sweeps, or even Stam Dawnbreakers or Dragon Leaps aren't hitting me nearly as hard as single tick of Overload Heavy. It's hitting my Medium Stam toons with Major Evasion for 5-6k per tick. I've been keeping an eye out for the Off-Balance visual and am aware of people running Blockade of Storms to proc Off-Balance and get the 70% bonus.

This ability is dealing Direct Damage Ultimate level damage every second simply by holding left click. Maybe it doesn't need to be nerfed, but then maybe the Dawnbreaker DoT should tick for 8k too.

Aedaryl · July 2019

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

I'm not a "he", and the initial Direct Damage hits from Meteors, Crescent Sweeps, or even Stam Dawnbreakers or Dragon Leaps aren't hitting me nearly as hard as single tick of Overload Heavy. It's hitting my Medium Stam toons with Major Evasion for 5-6k per tick. I've been keeping an eye out for the Off-Balance visual and am aware of people running Blockade of Storms to proc Off-Balance and get the 70% bonus.

This ability is dealing Direct Damage Ultimate level damage every second simply by holding left click. Maybe it doesn't need to be nerfed, but then maybe the Dawnbreaker DoT should tick for 8k too.

Sorry for misgendering you.

With off balance and lightning staff I can see the "tooltip" going near 20k/s.

NBrookus · July 2019

TheRealSniker wrote: »

(averages 8k per tick every second)

Thats weird cause it only ticks for 3,5k on my medium toon

Then the sorc is doing it wrong.

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about the heavy overload builds. Players do give up a lot to run them.

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

NBrookus wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about the heavy overload builds. Players do give up a lot to run them.

People gave up a lot to run bash spam Goliath builds too. They were pretty useless outside Goliath form.

NBrookus · July 2019

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about the heavy overload builds. Players do give up a lot to run them.

People gave up a lot to run bash spam Goliath builds too. They were pretty useless outside Goliath form.

True. Specialized group builds are always going to be stronger than what someone can achieve with a balanced open world build. This makes magblade bombers look tame, though.

I haven't reversed engineered the build above but off the top of my head I can think of 5 sets that buff overload heavy attacks.

Davadin · July 2019

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

I'm not a "he", and the initial Direct Damage hits from Meteors, Crescent Sweeps, or even Stam Dawnbreakers or Dragon Leaps aren't hitting me nearly as hard as single tick of Overload Heavy. It's hitting my Medium Stam toons with Major Evasion for 5-6k per tick. I've been keeping an eye out for the Off-Balance visual and am aware of people running Blockade of Storms to proc Off-Balance and get the 70% bonus.

This ability is dealing Direct Damage Ultimate level damage every second simply by holding left click. Maybe it doesn't need to be nerfed, but then maybe the Dawnbreaker DoT should tick for 8k too.

ok, yeah, somebody wanna tell me about the off-balance 70% bonus?

that sounds delicious...

MincVinyl · July 2019

Overload leaves you heavily vulnerable while you are doing literally nothing but heavy attacking. On a class where when you drop your shields you die, I feel it is fine damage and it is up to the defender to easily deal with it. I mean the dude has giant bolts of lightning coming out of him, it isn't like you can't see him doing it. Unlike some ultimates that apply major vulnerability in a massive aoe without any animation appearing or any chance of counterplay.

Derra · July 2019

There was really no reason to make it uninterruptable.
Otherwise people do give up quite a bit to make it hit hard.

maelstrom lightning + elegance + any heavyattack buff set.

MincVinyl · July 2019

Even then you have a sorc that can really only do overload. If you ever played a bomb blade it is roughly the same feeling.

jediodyn_ESO · July 2019

Can we please get a single patch where sorc doesn’t have some ridiculously OP PvP build?

J18696 · July 2019

Pure overload builds heavy attack for way to much atm I've seen 20k recaps on my medium toons with 32k ish resists not super often but it happens

GeneralSezme · July 2019

except you can actually kill people overloading you............

enzoisadog · July 2019

tbh thats a l2p issue, major evasion and block can literally negate all the damage. Its not like you have 60k hp, you're literally a glass cannon.

ItsNotLiving · July 2019

NBrookus wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

(averages 8k per tick every second)

Thats weird cause it only ticks for 3,5k on my medium toon

Then the sorc is doing it wrong.

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about the heavy overload builds. Players do give up a lot to run them.

Looks like thurvoken is the really issue here.

GeneralSezme · July 2019

NBrookus wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

(averages 8k per tick every second)

Thats weird cause it only ticks for 3,5k on my medium toon

Then the sorc is doing it wrong.

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about the heavy overload builds. Players do give up a lot to run them.

Lol thats my rank on the recap

Strider__Roshin · July 2019

jediodyn_ESO wrote: »

Can we please get a single patch where sorc doesn’t have some ridiculously OP PvP build?

Good luck lol

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

enzoisadog wrote: »

tbh thats a l2p issue, major evasion and block can literally negate all the damage. Its not like you have 60k hp, you're literally a glass cannon.

Nobody is 1vXing with Overload Heavy. Not everyone runs SnB and holds block, and Major Evasion is not reliably accessible to all specs. It's outperforming every other AoE ultimate in group PvP by a wide margin.

jaws343 · July 2019

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

tbh thats a l2p issue, major evasion and block can literally negate all the damage. Its not like you have 60k hp, you're literally a glass cannon.

Nobody is 1vXing with Overload Heavy. Not everyone runs SnB and holds block, and Major Evasion is not reliably accessible to all specs. It's outperforming every other AoE ultimate in group PvP by a wide margin.

The problem is in order for this to work, they have to be in melee range and running a channeled ultimate without refreshing shields or blocking. And in light armor, on a spec that is probably lower in health to get damage that good, they are pretty much sitting ducks channeling overload heavies.

GeneralSezme · July 2019

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

tbh thats a l2p issue, major evasion and block can literally negate all the damage. Its not like you have 60k hp, you're literally a glass cannon.

Nobody is 1vXing with Overload Heavy. Not everyone runs SnB and holds block, and Major Evasion is not reliably accessible to all specs. It's outperforming every other AoE ultimate in group PvP by a wide margin.

Flesh colossus? lol

ZachZero · July 2019

Yeah I don’t find this that broken. There is counter-play and it’s a steep trade off very similar to a bomber build.

Aedaryl · July 2019

I would not compare it to bashtard Goliath.

Bashtard got a 20k tool tip hitting 3 times per second while overload is per second.

Overload will hit 3 times less and so 3x less damage than Goliath.

Also, overload HA is a channel that slow you a lot.

And you don't transform in 70k health tank.

Don't think it's OP on paper, especially when off balance is only available in CP campaign with a dodge condition and massive CP investment.

Edit : Goliath was a problem because the 20k tooltip was achieved by a standart heavy armor fury 7th bloospawn. Overloadtard need to build far more and is basically a glass Canon.

NBrookus · July 2019

GeneralSezme wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

TheRealSniker wrote: »

(averages 8k per tick every second)

Thats weird cause it only ticks for 3,5k on my medium toon

Then the sorc is doing it wrong.

I'm not 100% sure how I feel about the heavy overload builds. Players do give up a lot to run them.

Lol thats my rank on the recap

It wasn't you.

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Flesh colossus? lol

225-cost stationary AoE? No comparison. I'm not seeing competitive meta groups stacking Necros the way they're stacking Mag Sorcs right now. This goes for 12-16 ball groups as well as coordinated 4-man groups like the four Mag Sorcs that @enzoisadog chased me around with the other day (myself alone was no match for their teamwork). This also has as much to do with Mag Sorc being strong overall versus Necro being mediocre overall.

Aedaryl wrote: »

Goliath was a problem because the 20k tooltip was achieved by a standart heavy armor fury 7th bloospawn. Overloadtard need to build far more and is basically a glass Canon.

Goliath builds were pretty useless outside Goliath form.

Hashtag_ · July 2019

I’ve seent people 1vX with this build. It’s broken omg ZOS plz nerf now k?

GeneralSezme · July 2019

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Flesh colossus? lol

225-cost stationary AoE? No comparison. I'm not seeing competitive meta groups stacking Necros the way they're stacking Mag Sorcs right now. This goes for 12-16 ball groups as well as coordinated 4-man groups like the four Mag Sorcs that @enzoisadog chased me around with the other day (myself alone was no match for their teamwork). This also has as much to do with Mag Sorc being strong overall versus Necro being mediocre overall.

Aedaryl wrote: »

Goliath was a problem because the 20k tooltip was achieved by a standart heavy armor fury 7th bloospawn. Overloadtard need to build far more and is basically a glass Canon.

Goliath builds were pretty useless outside Goliath form.

Yeah, 4 magsorcs OLing or 4 bomblades destroing, zerglings are going to die, thats what happens

Lokey0024 · July 2019

jaws343 wrote: »

xylena_lazarow wrote: »

enzoisadog wrote: »

tbh thats a l2p issue, major evasion and block can literally negate all the damage. Its not like you have 60k hp, you're literally a glass cannon.

Nobody is 1vXing with Overload Heavy. Not everyone runs SnB and holds block, and Major Evasion is not reliably accessible to all specs. It's outperforming every other AoE ultimate in group PvP by a wide margin.

The problem is in order for this to work, they have to be in melee range and running a channeled ultimate without refreshing shields or blocking. And in light armor, on a spec that is probably lower in health to get damage that good, they are pretty much sitting ducks channeling overload heavies.

CC first? And you can stop to rebuff then channel again kinda easy

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

GeneralSezme wrote: »

Yeah, 4 magsorcs OLing or 4 bomblades destroing, zerglings are going to die, thats what happens

It does twice as much damage per tick as Destro Ulti, and the only "zerglings" I see are organized groups that chase solos across empty fields.

If you don't feel that Overload Heavy needs a nerf, that's totally fine, but that means every other comparable Ulti also needs to do 8k DpS in PvP. This is the patch where ZOS is standardizing damage across abilities, no?