Onslaught. 12 seconds of basicly full penetration...

olsborg · July 2019

Am I the only one who thinks this is insanely op? I mean...why even pick other ultimates for dmg.

kalunte · July 2019

well, it now only work on Direct Dmg.

it's 100% of the armor ignored, so if your target is affected by any minor/major breach or fracture, you get less armor/spell pen.

it has to land

finally if you decide to use it on a tank to get an awesome armor pen you'll also waste the heavy hit (unless you managed to kill a tanky build with the skill which deserves a reward).
on the other hand if you use it on an already squishy target you might put an end to it but get a smaller amount of armor/spell pen.

so basically they are tons of reason to chose other ults for dmg depending of your class

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2019

So just use this ulti & gap close & AOE, gap close & AOE... for 12 seconds. LOL nice... I can wear full heavy impen and deal more DMG that the most glassy cannon build ever. Nice one ZOS... *Facepalm*

Glory · July 2019

You missed the train a little on this one.

With the skill no longer applying to DoTs, this ultimate feels strong but in line with many others.

danno8 · July 2019

Stun your opponent then run around a rock for 12 seconds. That's how I see the counterplay going, lol.

olsborg · July 2019

at the top of my head im thinking this ultimate on my nb, who has 11k tooltip surprise attacks..

MartiniDaniels · July 2019

It was OP in first iteration, but now it looks ok.

katorga · July 2019

Doesn't Onslaught have the 400ms "cast time"?

That may make it unusable in practice.

technohic · July 2019

Is anyone testing it? I'm curious what it's like in practice. If its dodge rolled or missed, does it still get the armor bypass? Does seem pretty brutal for 12 seconds but reality might be different

susmitds · July 2019

What if I told you 20% Damage of Incap is almost as strong as Onslaught as penetration gain, due to fact that it works as a Vulnerability.

Davadin · July 2019

olsborg wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks this is insanely op? I mean...why even pick other ultimates for dmg.

no.

Davadin · July 2019

technohic wrote: »

Is anyone testing it? I'm curious what it's like in practice. If its dodge rolled or missed, does it still get the armor bypass? Does seem pretty brutal for 12 seconds but reality might be different

it doesnt if u missed. and in CP PvP you WILL miss... a LOT.

katorga wrote: »

Doesn't Onslaught have the 400ms "cast time"?

That may make it unusable in practice.

barely noticeable. then again, i don't animation-cancel.

if u try to clip it, then yes, u'll feel it's slightly longer.

ProzTh3Almighty · July 2019

In 1v1s on live its 50/50 on landing it depending what build your fighting and the skill level of the other player. Being hit with it is definitely not a death sentence by any means while being hit with 3 definitely is lol. The cast time is weird but you just relearn not ani cancelling it. As for being OP it just depends on which other options you have available to your class. As a stamblade i would use soul harvest instead with spriggans and major fracture for pen and defile but as a stamsorc i would use this for sure unless i dont want to play a dswing build in which case ill use DB for the stun. Lots of different options out there. 12 secs may be a little long, ive been thinkin 8 secs at 100% ignore or 10 secs at 50% ignore. 50% would make it much more important to select your target to get the most of the % while 100% pretty much means no matter who you hit youll have the pen to make tanks feel like LA wearers

Noobslayer3255 · July 2019

susmitds wrote: »

What if I told you 20% Damage of Incap is almost as strong as Onslaught as penetration gain, due to fact that it works as a Vulnerability.

Incap damage increase lasts 5 seconds, is against one person, and 20% damage is akin to penetrating 13.2k resistance. Almost every single person in cyrodiil has more resistance than that, and many people have substantially more resistance than that.

But anyway, biggest difference is the duration and that incap only affects the target you hit with incap.

Iskiab · July 2019

susmitds wrote: »

What if I told you 20% Damage of Incap is almost as strong as Onslaught as penetration gain, due to fact that it works as a Vulnerability.

Is incap aoe and does it give you a 12 second buff? If not why would you ever use incap?

Plus, that it depends on the target for how strong onslaught will be. Onslaught will usually be stronger unless it’s against a player you don’t need an ultimate to kill.

Emma_Overload · July 2019

LOL, why are people talking as if direct damage attacks at full penetration are no big deal? Those are the ones that kill you right away!

olsborg · July 2019

If ppl thought all the gankers was bad before, just wait until the full glass cannon nbs with 14k surprise attack(tooltip) also have 100% penetration. Sounds like "fun"

Anyron · July 2019

It maybe works only to Direct damage, but thats majority of skills what is used in pvp.

Light attack/weaving is Direct Damage too. (only resto staff and lightning staff isnt)

Iskiab · July 2019

olsborg wrote: »

If ppl thought all the gankers was bad before, just wait until the full glass cannon nbs with 14k surprise attack(tooltip) also have 100% penetration. Sounds like "fun"

Meh... fun will be magblades with: Reaper’s mark - onslaught - prox det combos. Vicious death buffed 25% with no resistances or target limit... that’ll be fun.

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

why would you ever use incap?

70 vs 150 cost

mikey_reach · July 2019

Seems pretty good on a stamplar too since im assuming onslaught works with jabs and power of the light.

xaraan · July 2019

The length of time it lasts seems a few seconds too long, but other than that it doesn't seem to crazy after the last adjustment.

Edit: Although, I can't remember this second, I'll look again I guess. But it's a stam ult, should only give physical pen IMO.

Chilly-McFreeze · July 2019

xaraan wrote: »

Edit: Although, I can't remember this second, I'll look again I guess. But it's a stam ult, should only give physical pen IMO.

Buff length aside, I think it's very nice to give both. It's definitely not a thought from a meta pov but It gives hybrids a bit to work with. I can see mag builds running it just for the pen, but I also saw stam builds running Resto for it's Ult only. I don't think this is a big issue.

Iskiab · July 2019

Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

Edit: Although, I can't remember this second, I'll look again I guess. But it's a stam ult, should only give physical pen IMO.

Buff length aside, I think it's very nice to give both. It's definitely not a thought from a meta pov but It gives hybrids a bit to work with. I can see mag builds running it just for the pen, but I also saw stam builds running Resto for it's Ult only. I don't think this is a big issue.

As it is on PTS I think every class would still run it unless they’re pure ranged.

Not effecting dots isn’t that important really. 99% of mag will be 2h-resto, the destruction staff passives aren’t that great and the only downside of equipping a 2h sword is light attacks. An ultimate that increases your damage by 20%+ or so for 12 seconds is totally worth losing light attacks for.

Anyron · July 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

If ppl thought all the gankers was bad before, just wait until the full glass cannon nbs with 14k surprise attack(tooltip) also have 100% penetration. Sounds like "fun"

Meh... fun will be magblades with: Reaper’s mark - onslaught - prox det combos. Vicious death buffed 25% with no resistances or target limit... that’ll be fun.

if you use onslaught penetration reapers mark is useless

Luigi_Vampa · July 2019

fred4 · July 2019

Glory wrote: »

You missed the train a little on this one.

With the skill no longer applying to DoTs, this ultimate feels strong but in line with many others.

I would have thought that highly depends on class and playstyle (nightblade, cough).

Skoomah · July 2019

Everything fun in this game gets nerfed. We only have this community (ourselves) to blame for this mess.

Narvuntien · July 2019

The nature of an onslaught build is that building penetration is pretty useless in your build since the main attack doesn't use it. you have no penetration in cp no penetration from your weapons or gear that most people have.

Now you hit the ulti then go into executing with penetration that pretty much everyone else has from using sharpened.

evoniee · July 2019

i had kite a live corrosive stamdk with LoSing and rolldodge, so it is possible, if they cheese you, cheese them back.
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but yeah cheese is a cheese, it would be annoying

Davadin · July 2019

testing in 5.0.3 now. i'm a little unclear here...

does Onslaught's 12 sec penetration now does NOT affect DoT at all? It's strictly for melee direct damage only?

if yes, i dont think it's that much of a big deal. i'd slot Corrosive still i think when this goes live, if CA gives 11 sec of full penetration on all damage on the enemy....

in 12 sec i can probably do a couple light attacks, a couple Dizzying, maybe even another Carve, but a good 30-40% of my stamDK damage comes from DoT....

looks like I'm going back to Spriggan and Corrosive Armor...