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All Classes Get Cloak
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Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Honestly, even on my NB I prefer stealth pots over cloak. Sure it has more of a cooldown, but I can make better stealth pots that offer more reliability than I can if I just spam cloak.
Really? I thought being able to spam it through a skill to mitigate damage at will was the POWAH of cloak.
Yeah. I'm pretty dumb with cloak (because of the powah), so the counters get me pretty effectively and I get stuck in the mud. With invis pots, I drape along the edge of combat and use the one with the longest duration or this one if I was smacked around for a bit:ESSENCE OF IMMOVABILITY
LEVEL 50 CP150
Restore 8369 Health immediately.
Grants Major Fortitude which increases your Health Recovery by 20% for 36.6 seconds.
Become immune to knockback and disabling effects for 8 seconds.
Vanish for 12 seconds.
(45 second cooldown)
It usually keeps me out of trouble if I bide my time and don't screw it up.
The other key is that my NB is a filthy Argonian.Edited by Sephyr on July 19, 2019 12:20PM0 -
NordSwordnBoard✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Universal fear tooltip states:
Nerfs from cloak are always a critical potato.
Cloaks from potato are always a critical nerf.
Fear is the Mindkiller0 -
GimpyPorcupine✭✭✭✭✭"Let's just eliminate classes, weapon and armor types, and CP, give everybody the same 12 skills and the same gear, and turn the game into a FPS." --OP probably8-hr/day casual on Xbox NA. 20 Characters, all DC, all Level 50. +2900CP2 -
Idinuse✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All classes and players should get access to cloak, not just Nightblades. That would be consistent with the over arching vision for all players being able to build for anything anyway desired.
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✭✭ambitionzcs wrote: »Lmao, I've ran into so many classes that think they are nb, using 12 second vanish pots to make me think it's a nb then boom a sorc wtf? This would be just stupid imo. Those other classes are not theifs and assassins why should they get cloak.
Why can thiefs and Assassin's be more tanky then a Dragonknight?
The request in OP was more a joke about all the homogenizing we currently have in this game.... Everyone gets fear now with fighters guild... And so on....
Maybe they're removing nightblade.
Mybe they're removing Sorcerers.
Oh wait,
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Sephyr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭ambitionzcs wrote: »Lmao, I've ran into so many classes that think they are nb, using 12 second vanish pots to make me think it's a nb then boom a sorc wtf? This would be just stupid imo. Those other classes are not theifs and assassins why should they get cloak.
Why can thiefs and Assassin's be more tanky then a Dragonknight?
The request in OP was more a joke about all the homogenizing we currently have in this game.... Everyone gets fear now with fighters guild... And so on....
Maybe they're removing nightblade.
Mybe they're removing Sorcerers.
Oh wait,
They better not remove my sorc. Cause then I can't go streak-streaking.0 -
Malada✭✭✭Yo dawg, we heard you like cloak. So we gave yo cloak cloak so you can cloak while you cloak.0 -
Surak73✭✭✭✭✭And I bet you want it without having to drop the healing of a templar, the tankiness of a DK, the shield of a sorc, the subterranean assault of a warden or the whatever-they-have of a necromancer, right?...
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jbjondeaueb17_ESO✭✭✭✭All classes can lmao..and pots do count
Unless you’re saying all classes should get pets/shields/wings(stam included)
Well, I'm not for giving Cloak to everyone but if you're counting pots, all classes have access to shields and pets at least, counting some skills or sets. There's no reason to ignore those if you take into account pots.Pain-Healer - Argonian Templar Healer (EP) - Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon's Heart
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All classes and players should get access to cloak, not just Nightblades. That would be consistent with the over arching vision for all players being able to build for anything anyway desired.
LOL. I do agree Zos is going way to far homogenizing the game. I think that Zos is taking these steps because the lack the talent to figure out how to mange this game properly. It has been poorly managed since before the game launched. I agree it is very sad.
Yup, they have no consistent vision of this game, but it's not because of lack of skill, its because they simply don't know their game, they have no idea about what makes classes unique, what makes them strong and weak, what makes certain sets strong and weak. They overbuff and overnerf things since launch.
To the OP, since all stam players get better fear than NBs I think that all should get cloak to, but buffed somehow.
I could not agree more that Zos has not had a consistent vision for this game. It has changed every update at times. I put this squarely on the shoulders of Matt's lack of management skills.
TBF, they say these changes are a result of them developing a codified vision for combat in the game. It seems more that they are dumbing it down so they have the intellect to have a chance to manage it. lol1 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That’d be really cool if 100 players on the battlefield randomly pop into and out of cloak!1 -
jbjondeaueb17_ESO✭✭✭✭That’d be really cool if 100 players on the battlefield randomly pop into and out of cloak!
It already happens, it's called LAG
Pain-Healer - Argonian Templar Healer (EP) - Immortal Redeemer - Gryphon's Heart
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WolfingHour✭✭✭✭I swear, if we had all classes with the same exact skill lines but with different names and colors, there would still be people wanting to play nightblade with the green effects of warden or something.
Classes need to be different, otherwise what R(ole) are we choosing in our MMO RPG?3 -
Skoomah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭We need to change our mindsets. The tank / heal / dps trilogy is played out. And the classic class archetypes are so Dungeons & Dragons. It’s time we evolved. Everyone gets Cloak!1 -
Finedaible✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It could probably happen IF they added Illusion staves with an appropriate skill-line, but they created the whole game based around a limited choice of weapon types and their skill-lines (DW, 2H, 1H & shield, Bow, Destro staves, and Resto staves) as evidenced by the arena weapons they've made (Black Rose Prison, Dragonstar Arena, Maelstrom Arena). So there's virtually no chance of us receiving deeper build variety unless they completely redesign the whole game and its drop systems at this point. The original vision for ESO was just too narrow, and it needs to evolve soon if it doesn't want to lose interest.0 -
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Malada✭✭✭Hah, I tried to use my Stam Sorc in place of my NB last night. Did not go well. The biggest problem is you cannot quickly or reliably re-cloak. Was in Imperial City Sewers, then streets and AD was everywhere. I swear they're like a colony of ants, just constantly running thru the sewers and the streets, back and forth. Everytime I turned a corner I kept running into them, even when I was NOT looking for a fight.
That's the real advantage of cloak, it's freedom. Freedom to not have to fight every single AD you meet. And while Sorc has a number of improvements over NB, they all fail in comparison to the NB's subtlety. Problem with the NB -now- and the upcoming one, is to be honest I rarely use any of their skills anymore. I use 3x NB skills, maybe an Ult in Cyrodiil and that's it. Most of the rest are so under water it's just not worth bending everything else to get one skill to do what it says it should do. Skills should have synergy and work together not just let's nerf it because ppl don't like it.
Some things in life we don't like however there is a reason for them.Edited by Malada on July 19, 2019 9:17PM1 -
Xogath✭✭✭ambitionzcs wrote: »Lmao, I've ran into so many classes that think they are nb, using 12 second vanish pots to make me think it's a nb then boom a sorc wtf? This would be just stupid imo. Those other classes are not theifs and assassins why should they get cloak.
Why can thiefs and Assassin's be more tanky then a Dragonknight?
The request in OP was more a joke about all the homogenizing we currently have in this game.... Everyone gets fear now with fighters guild... And so on....
Maybe they're removing nightblade.
At this point they might as well remove all classes, separate all abilities and morphs in to Stamina/Magicka, streamline racial passives, weapon abilities, etc., and let a person simply build a character upon creation with no "class" attached to it and play that way.
That's where we're headed, anyway.2 -
Malada✭✭✭ambitionzcs wrote: »Lmao, I've ran into so many classes that think they are nb, using 12 second vanish pots to make me think it's a nb then boom a sorc wtf? This would be just stupid imo. Those other classes are not theifs and assassins why should they get cloak.
Why can thiefs and Assassin's be more tanky then a Dragonknight?
The request in OP was more a joke about all the homogenizing we currently have in this game.... Everyone gets fear now with fighters guild... And so on....
Maybe they're removing nightblade.
At this point they might as well remove all classes, separate all abilities and morphs in to Stamina/Magicka, streamline racial passives, weapon abilities, etc., and let a person simply build a character upon creation with no "class" attached to it and play that way.
That's where we're headed, anyway.
Interesting observation. It would break continuity however not a terrible idea.
Could also do same thing with sets, we could just build our own from a pool of templates. ZOS can update a template without reforming entire build. Could give these things our own names too.0 -
Zelos✭✭✭✭✭Can I have a 12k damage ward then?Aeonhack - AD Stamina Nightblade - 5 Star General
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Creator and user of "Questionable" addons and game mechanics.0 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭It would be funny to keep creating threads crying for other classes skills to be overperforming, like i dunno, Sorc pets...
..oh wait.
Cloak is fine for PvE; for PvP overperforms. Its 100% dmg reduction, with some cautious placement and range, you`re basically inmortal and can get from low to full in seconds.
And i think it´s fine.
That every class has skills that "overperforms". We need to give classes skills that make other classes look envious. That´s good. Keep crying about how good skills other class has ends having a boomerang effect.1 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭And I bet you want it without having to drop the healing of a templar, the tankiness of a DK, the shield of a sorc, the subterranean assault of a warden or the whatever-they-have of a necromancer, right?...
Ever heard of something called stamina sorcerer? Worst class in everything,even speed, claok might give it a fighting chance against other classes.
Just kidding, I don't want to be a filthy coward, not in pvp at least.
Sames like a good idea in pve though for open world and roleplay.0
