Proposed to Onslaught change

kalunte · July 2019

Give your opinion on what should happen with onslaught and berserkers rage

@Davadin why bother with a single target skill when you can have an aoe that deals more dmg, have much fewer chances to be avoided, have a "cast time" (so far) and cost less? for a cheesy 100% ignore armor? unless you're a pro 1vX-er you'll always find another ult to do the job better.

Davadin · July 2019

Give your opinion on what should happen with onslaught and berserkers rage

kalunte wrote: »

@Davadin why bother with a single target skill when you can have an aoe that deals more dmg, have much fewer chances to be avoided, have a "cast time" (so far) and cost less? for a cheesy 100% ignore armor? unless you're a pro 1vX-er you'll always find another ult to do the job better.

my Leap does not deal more damage, it's about the same. Is an AoE and less chance to dodge, yes.

but Onslaught - when it doesn't get dodged - hits just as hard for when I need that burst to kill off some unkillable guy, and gives penetration so I can spam Executioner a lot more effective.

When my Leap/DB doesn't kill the guy, and he heals himself, I'm "back to step 1" sort of speak.

Now, that's talking about Onslaught on PTS.

On Live, I have no use of it... that 1-time direct damage that ignore resistance is completely inferior to DK Leap. (And the ulti refund doesn't help me that much anyway - i'm a Nord with Bloodspawn, and if the guy dies, I usually pull back and take a breather. i'm no 1vX guy. and i regen ulti pretty easily.

ku5h · July 2019

Davadin wrote: »

half the duration.

in 16 sec, I can build up either a DK Leap or a Dawnbreaker when I'm throwing Caltrops on a zerg.

That's quite the level of insanity.

or leave it as is in PTS, sure......... nerf incoming soon after anyway.

BUT please don't leave it as Live. It's underperforming and as a 2H/2H build, I YEARN for a good 2H ulti that I can use in CP PvP.... otherwise, the refund-when-kill is usable only in no-CP or BG.

Like, just last night.... I used it in live, and 4 out of 5 times with a tooltip of 18k damage, I'm hitting some perma-block-tank, perma-shield sorc, stamward, and a variety of other veterans in Kaalgrontid NA (Ales siege, I'm EP)... with an average of freakin 3k. Most people would simply DODGE it, and a full blocking tank would just register ~1.5k damage.

Maybe twice, or thrice, I got hit over 8k with "This attack ignores the target's Resistance"

It is *** in Live. Usable, but really, there's others out there.

Oh man i wish my magSorc had ulti options like stamDK.
Leap-class ult, super cool, high burst, stun
DoBS- super strong
Corrosive-super strong defensive/offensive class ult

Also why add "perma shield sorc" in context of ppl mitigating your ult. In general they should have least mitigation next to medium rollers. Ppl really can't get over Sorcs.

Davadin · July 2019

Give your opinion on what should happen with onslaught and berserkers rage

ku5h wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

half the duration.

in 16 sec, I can build up either a DK Leap or a Dawnbreaker when I'm throwing Caltrops on a zerg.

That's quite the level of insanity.

or leave it as is in PTS, sure......... nerf incoming soon after anyway.

BUT please don't leave it as Live. It's underperforming and as a 2H/2H build, I YEARN for a good 2H ulti that I can use in CP PvP.... otherwise, the refund-when-kill is usable only in no-CP or BG.

Like, just last night.... I used it in live, and 4 out of 5 times with a tooltip of 18k damage, I'm hitting some perma-block-tank, perma-shield sorc, stamward, and a variety of other veterans in Kaalgrontid NA (Ales siege, I'm EP)... with an average of freakin 3k. Most people would simply DODGE it, and a full blocking tank would just register ~1.5k damage.

Maybe twice, or thrice, I got hit over 8k with "This attack ignores the target's Resistance"

It is *** in Live. Usable, but really, there's others out there.

Oh man i wish my magSorc had ulti options like stamDK.
Leap-class ult, super cool, high burst, stun
DoBS- super strong
Corrosive-super strong defensive/offensive class ult

Also why add "perma shield sorc" in context of ppl mitigating your ult. In general they should have least mitigation next to medium rollers. Ppl really can't get over Sorcs.

play a stamSorc if u like DoBS. and dont get me started how many times i died of sorc's ultimates.

but honestly, u guys are the long range nuker already and clearly - CLEARLY - dominates long range in PvP already. Too many times i died with some freakin meteor or ult or blitzing thunders etc... and too many sorc running around me with 16k morale but god-knows-how-thicc-shield......

kalunte · July 2019

Give your opinion on what should happen with onslaught and berserkers rage

sounds like forget that leap also, sometimes stuns (which helps when it comes to finish someone) and can be used as a gap closer, and snares. anyway, bringing an ult "in line" with others does not look bad to me

Red_Feather · July 2019

Leave the ult the way it currently is Live *Not on PTS* the way most of us who have used it over the years prefer it

This ability is one I really don't want to change. I use it to one shot trash mobs from stealth it is so much fun, and feels rewarding because if you do it right you don't have to gain ultimate for 4 minutes to do it again.

Iskiab · July 2019

Leave the ult the way it currently is Live *Not on PTS* the way most of us who have used it over the years prefer it

kalunte wrote: »

@Davadin why bother with a single target skill when you can have an aoe that deals more dmg, have much fewer chances to be avoided, have a "cast time" (so far) and cost less? for a cheesy 100% ignore armor? unless you're a pro 1vX-er you'll always find another ult to do the job better.

Single target? Read the patch notes. It’s now a 5m aoe.

Stellarvorous · July 2019

When I get back later on today ill post another voting poll for the proposal of changing some class ults because while DK/necro has some *ults* warden templar and sorc atleast stamn wise id like some class options to go with my playstyle

some might say warden has permafrost and its true it does but it doesn't synergize well with my set up which is why I went onslaught to begin with

And naturally ill toss in the concept of any proposed changes for the class ults should scale with the higher offensive stat of the user im tired of this stamn specific or magicka specific ult let the *** scale off which ever offensive stat is higher physical for stamn and naturally magicka damage types of their magicka stat is higher.

That way both stat types can utilize their ults with some better variety not this crap where we become more dependent on weapon skill lines or stuck waiting for the next guild skill line hoping it provides an new option

Davadin · July 2019

Give your opinion on what should happen with onslaught and berserkers rage

Iskiab wrote: »

kalunte wrote: »

@Davadin why bother with a single target skill when you can have an aoe that deals more dmg, have much fewer chances to be avoided, have a "cast time" (so far) and cost less? for a cheesy 100% ignore armor? unless you're a pro 1vX-er you'll always find another ult to do the job better.

Single target? Read the patch notes. It’s now a 5m aoe.

but still triggered by a single target.

either way, the bonus pen needs to be shorter.

anything shorter than the average people generating 110 ults because that's how much Leap costs lol

ThePhantomThorn · September 2019

Give Berserkers Rage the 100% ult refund if it kills a target no penetration gained give the current live onslaught mechanic to beserkers rage instead for those of us who still prefer it if the onslaught change goes thru

I think onslaught should stay how it is on pts but with less duration

The other morph should refund

But I love how this poll clearly shows that the community doesn’t want the change zos went through with it

They really have to start listening to the community

Delparis · September 2019

Give your opinion on what should happen with onslaught and berserkers rage

Increase the cost to 200 ulti.
Reduce the buff time from 12 sec to 5 sec.