Increased Siege Damage is Boring?

Recremen · July 2019

Marcus684 wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Ever since ZOS broke siege damage for a week resulting in insane damage, and subsequently decided to buff siege damage by 30% of initial values to improve game performance, I feel like PvP in Cyrodiil has become stale and stagnant. Players are now turtling in keeps and gates, setting up siege, and generally avoid PvP altogether. Things are more realistic and even now, and performance has improved, but I can't help but wonder if siege damage was buffed a little too much.

I know that meatbags can be used as a counter, but I don't like sieging, so am I alone in feeling that Cyrodiil is not as fun as it was before siege was buffed?

The mega-zerg king doesn't like strong siege.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

*Deep breath*

HAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAA!

You realize that his zergs are able to use siege to even greater benefit than the groups they outnumber, right? Every action is stronger when you do it with zerg numbers. That's not a design flaw, it's just how numbers work. Lowering siege damage wouldn't help his zergs, it would make it easier to deal with the constant ambient siege damage his groups throw out.

Marcus684 · July 2019

Recremen wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Ever since ZOS broke siege damage for a week resulting in insane damage, and subsequently decided to buff siege damage by 30% of initial values to improve game performance, I feel like PvP in Cyrodiil has become stale and stagnant. Players are now turtling in keeps and gates, setting up siege, and generally avoid PvP altogether. Things are more realistic and even now, and performance has improved, but I can't help but wonder if siege damage was buffed a little too much.

I know that meatbags can be used as a counter, but I don't like sieging, so am I alone in feeling that Cyrodiil is not as fun as it was before siege was buffed?

The mega-zerg king doesn't like strong siege.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

*Deep breath*

HAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAA!

You realize that his zergs are able to use siege to even greater benefit than the groups they outnumber, right? Every action is stronger when you do it with zerg numbers. That's not a design flaw, it's just how numbers work. Lowering siege damage wouldn't help his zergs, it would make it easier to deal with the constant ambient siege damage his groups throw out.

Yes, I realize that any anti-zerg tool ZOS has can also be used by the zerg, but strong siege is one of the few effective tools to combat faction stacks, and his mega-herds were full of light-attack heroes that refused to drop siege and died in 2 seconds to a well-placed meatbag. Even greatly outnumbered we've managed to wipe his zerg, but only if we used siege to slow it down long enough for DC to fight through the lag and disconnects it brings and win by attrition.

Recremen · July 2019

Marcus684 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Ever since ZOS broke siege damage for a week resulting in insane damage, and subsequently decided to buff siege damage by 30% of initial values to improve game performance, I feel like PvP in Cyrodiil has become stale and stagnant. Players are now turtling in keeps and gates, setting up siege, and generally avoid PvP altogether. Things are more realistic and even now, and performance has improved, but I can't help but wonder if siege damage was buffed a little too much.

I know that meatbags can be used as a counter, but I don't like sieging, so am I alone in feeling that Cyrodiil is not as fun as it was before siege was buffed?

The mega-zerg king doesn't like strong siege.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

*Deep breath*

HAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAA!

You realize that his zergs are able to use siege to even greater benefit than the groups they outnumber, right? Every action is stronger when you do it with zerg numbers. That's not a design flaw, it's just how numbers work. Lowering siege damage wouldn't help his zergs, it would make it easier to deal with the constant ambient siege damage his groups throw out.

Yes, I realize that any anti-zerg tool ZOS has can also be used by the zerg, but strong siege is one of the few effective tools to combat faction stacks, and his mega-herds were full of light-attack heroes that refused to drop siege and died in 2 seconds to a well-placed meatbag. Even greatly outnumbered we've managed to wipe his zerg, but only if we used siege to slow it down long enough for DC to fight through the lag and disconnects it brings and win by attrition.

You have plenty of good coordinated guilds on DC. If the pugs stay back and siege, even with decreased siege damage, they'd enable folks like Iron Legion or whoever to push in with coordinated AoE dumps and clean them up. You don't need to rely exclusively on giant siege damage. I expect, in fact, that you could fully halve the damage sieges currently do and you'd still wind up wiping them since the biggest factors at play are the healing debuff and the strain on their purgers.

Marcus684 · July 2019

Recremen wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Ever since ZOS broke siege damage for a week resulting in insane damage, and subsequently decided to buff siege damage by 30% of initial values to improve game performance, I feel like PvP in Cyrodiil has become stale and stagnant. Players are now turtling in keeps and gates, setting up siege, and generally avoid PvP altogether. Things are more realistic and even now, and performance has improved, but I can't help but wonder if siege damage was buffed a little too much.

I know that meatbags can be used as a counter, but I don't like sieging, so am I alone in feeling that Cyrodiil is not as fun as it was before siege was buffed?

The mega-zerg king doesn't like strong siege.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

*Deep breath*

HAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAA!

You realize that his zergs are able to use siege to even greater benefit than the groups they outnumber, right? Every action is stronger when you do it with zerg numbers. That's not a design flaw, it's just how numbers work. Lowering siege damage wouldn't help his zergs, it would make it easier to deal with the constant ambient siege damage his groups throw out.

Yes, I realize that any anti-zerg tool ZOS has can also be used by the zerg, but strong siege is one of the few effective tools to combat faction stacks, and his mega-herds were full of light-attack heroes that refused to drop siege and died in 2 seconds to a well-placed meatbag. Even greatly outnumbered we've managed to wipe his zerg, but only if we used siege to slow it down long enough for DC to fight through the lag and disconnects it brings and win by attrition.

You have plenty of good coordinated guilds on DC. If the pugs stay back and siege, even with decreased siege damage, they'd enable folks like Iron Legion or whoever to push in with coordinated AoE dumps and clean them up. You don't need to rely exclusively on giant siege damage. I expect, in fact, that you could fully halve the damage sieges currently do and you'd still wind up wiping them since the biggest factors at play are the healing debuff and the strain on their purgers.

The last time I spent any serious time in Cyro, which admittedly has been a few weeks, the good coordinated DC guilds seemed to mostly be taking a break, because we'd find ourselves usually trying to stop the EP faction stack with a fraction of their number of pugs and soloers. Hopefully things have gotten better, but I'll have to take people's word for it because I don't have the energy to deal with the lag and load screens anymore. Real life is painful enough without that shite.

Recremen · July 2019

Marcus684 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Marcus684 wrote: »

Ahtu wrote: »

Ever since ZOS broke siege damage for a week resulting in insane damage, and subsequently decided to buff siege damage by 30% of initial values to improve game performance, I feel like PvP in Cyrodiil has become stale and stagnant. Players are now turtling in keeps and gates, setting up siege, and generally avoid PvP altogether. Things are more realistic and even now, and performance has improved, but I can't help but wonder if siege damage was buffed a little too much.

I know that meatbags can be used as a counter, but I don't like sieging, so am I alone in feeling that Cyrodiil is not as fun as it was before siege was buffed?

The mega-zerg king doesn't like strong siege.

AHHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!

*Deep breath*

HAHAHAHAAHAAHAHAA!

You realize that his zergs are able to use siege to even greater benefit than the groups they outnumber, right? Every action is stronger when you do it with zerg numbers. That's not a design flaw, it's just how numbers work. Lowering siege damage wouldn't help his zergs, it would make it easier to deal with the constant ambient siege damage his groups throw out.

Yes, I realize that any anti-zerg tool ZOS has can also be used by the zerg, but strong siege is one of the few effective tools to combat faction stacks, and his mega-herds were full of light-attack heroes that refused to drop siege and died in 2 seconds to a well-placed meatbag. Even greatly outnumbered we've managed to wipe his zerg, but only if we used siege to slow it down long enough for DC to fight through the lag and disconnects it brings and win by attrition.

You have plenty of good coordinated guilds on DC. If the pugs stay back and siege, even with decreased siege damage, they'd enable folks like Iron Legion or whoever to push in with coordinated AoE dumps and clean them up. You don't need to rely exclusively on giant siege damage. I expect, in fact, that you could fully halve the damage sieges currently do and you'd still wind up wiping them since the biggest factors at play are the healing debuff and the strain on their purgers.

The last time I spent any serious time in Cyro, which admittedly has been a few weeks, the good coordinated DC guilds seemed to mostly be taking a break, because we'd find ourselves usually trying to stop the EP faction stack with a fraction of their number of pugs and soloers. Hopefully things have gotten better, but I'll have to take people's word for it because I don't have the energy to deal with the lag and load screens anymore. Real life is painful enough without that shite.

It's possible they were just not on at the time, most guilds aren't running every night and are usually just doing so for 2-4 hour time slots. I'm AD, though, so I don't have the greatest handle on when each DC guild runs.

frostz417 · July 2019

Gariele wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

ellahellabella wrote: »

This is the problem with pvp crybabies. Instead of working around the issue, they QQ about it and demand nerfs. Glad that Ahtu is learning that it's all about adapting.

How about the rest of you crybabies do?

Sorry, but when I’m in a 3 man group and the 10 man I’m fighting just runs back to a keep to siege. There’s an issue that needs to be addressed.

Are you really QQing cause people wouldn’t allow themselves to be farmed. That logic

Did I say I was farming them? No I didnt.
I speak of literally any situation. Could be in the middle of nowhere and I’m in a 4 man and we just suddenly run into a 12 man grp. They’ll just run and siege instead of fighting.
Shows you what’s wrong with this games pvp.
PvDoor zerglings who claim they’re the real pvpers who only zerg down keeps and siege claim its healthy PvP are what’s wrong with eso pvp.
Increased siege damage is absurd as hell, because it just encourages trash players to not even bother growing thumbs to fight, it just encourages them to just sit and siege as soon as they see a single player.
I can understand using it against big zerg blobs. But in that case it should work similar to proximity detonation, so it’s more effective against bigger numbers rather than a bunch of worthless potato’s who outnumber player so yet still siege them.
Siege needs a rework because in its current state it’s just ridiculous.
As I said before, make it work like proxy detonation so it’s more effective against large Zergs and not against smaller groups.

Dutchessx · July 2019

Actually I like the buffed siege it is siege it should hurt an kill you if you aren’t careful but I agree with the OP that people sit on the wall too much.

Cathexis · July 2019

Ahtu wrote: »

Ever since siege damage was buffed by 30% of initial values, I feel like PvP in Cyrodiil has become stale and stagnant. Players are now turtling in keeps and gates, setting up siege, and generally avoiding PvP altogether. Things are more realistic and even now, and performance has improved, but I can't help but wonder if siege damage was buffed a little too much.

I know that meatbags can be used as a counter, but I don't like sieging, so am I alone in feeling that Cyrodiil is not as fun as it was before siege was buffed?

Players retreating to keeps because seige is stronger is not because pvp is stale and stagnant, it is because players want a sure win with 0 probability of loss, and if that's what they want pvp to be then they should stay on siege. You don't get to be up front if you don't want to take a risk, because with no risk there is no competition and THAT is bad pvp.