Taleof2Cities wrote: »

This is a great question for the Combat & Character mechanics forums.

This is not appropriate for the PTS forums ... where we’re trying to review actual changes implemented by ZOS.

I disagree, since they are hitting eruption, they are making this skill line pretty useless PvE DPS wise other than BattleRoar, I don't want to lose bits of my class identity which eruption is but if it's not worth it, it's not worth it.

Stonefist is great right now, except that animation that makes you look like you get bath in shhhhh dirt

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Can be melee.

Stam morph deals poison damage
Mag morph deals fire damage

What were you looking for that Executioner and whirlwind don't provide? What class execute do you think is better than Executioner?

I think a better fit for an execute would be some mechanic involving the stacking mechanic on Lava Whip since it's already melee, it's exclusive to mDK builds, and it would be something you have to ramp up to rather having on demand, this allows the playstyle to be somewhat unique

More interestingly they could just add a extra tooltip to the seething fury proc of whip seeing as they just nerfed it, give it a passive execute.. I mean every other execute is spammable so why not ... you know apart from all the salt and tears that would come as a result of PvP.

MagDKs just need to get the damage on seething fury increased again and we’re fine.

My stamDK doesn’t need another executioner for sure.

Instead, stonefist should have a fire damage morph, and DKs should have a flat 6% dmg increase on all fire sources.

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Can be melee.

Stam morph deals poison damage
Mag morph deals fire damage

dumb idea. mana dk designed around pressure. With general tankiness (buffs and overheal) and with Molten whip it hits like a truck. execute have no place here.

PvP isn't the only play style

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

maybe not an execute but a spammable? a stamina morph os definitely warranted...its a STONE fist for crying out loud

If they put a passive lava whip execute I'm fine with that

Vercingetorix wrote: »

I feel that one of the lesser impactful passives (Elder Dragon) can be reworked to provide a passive execute effect that starts to scale all of your DoT ticks after an enemy drops below 50% health. The old "12% healing received" bonus can be moved to the Hardened Armor morph since the shield it gives is crap and it could use the love. With this passive change Dragonknights have an execute that seamlessly works into their rotation without needing to change anything up at execute phase.

I like your idea

If this changed both morphs, then DK healers would lose out on their class burst heal. Granted, the burst heal isn't that great in the first place (high cost, requires enemy target, etc.), but i's still something. Stonefist does need to be looked at, but I don't think it should be turned into an Execute. I also don't think Lava Whip should get an Execute, as that would most definitely upset the PvP balance. A passive increase to DoT damage (maybe limit it to Fire & Poison?) based on your target's health - similar to the old Sorc passive - I could get behind, however.

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Can be melee.

Stam morph deals poison damage
Mag morph deals fire damage

dumb idea. mana dk designed around pressure. With general tankiness (buffs and overheal) and with Molten whip it hits like a truck. execute have no place here.

PvP isn't the only play style

then look at parses from pts, alcast's for example...with no execute. and if u can't do enouch dps in pve - l2p.
And then we going back to PvP. Which doesn't need execute at manadk at all. bettere resourse management, maybe, but no damn execute. this game became garbage because such people as u here "please turn stonefist intoexcute blabla" starting write things without any fkn idea how it can mirror at gameplay in general if will be listened. hope not. Also it stole attention from really important things. Please stop.

Make lava whip an execute ability.

Other

I have mentioned this other times before, but basically Stonefist needs to become the Dragonknight's burst skill, not necessarily an execute.

That is, in its current form it has NO use in PVE at all, and limited use in PVP. It also doesn't match the High Damage vs Stun changes they claim was made across the board.

The current form of Stonefist does extremely weak paltry damage for very expensive 4k magicka cost (3.2k Stone Giant Morph) UNTILL it STUNS.

Then when it Stuns, it does 100% more damage making it a reasonably cost stun with HIGH damage output (12k+) Damage and if it crits much higher, mine has hit as high as 19K.

Since PVE Bosses CAN NOT be STUNNED in Dungeons and Trials, even some Trash Mobs in Trials have unstunnable foes, you have a skill that has ZERO use, as it will never stun and never proc it's 100% more damage and thus stays a very expensive weak damage skill in major or important fights.

In PVP it becomes a Ranged Stun with Major Damage, and is likely the most powerful stun in the game as far as damage is concerned when stunning an opponent. However, its caveat is being ranged so it doesn't fit into a DK's play style and will stun opponents outside the other DK skillset range. Thus, Fossilize works much much better since it keeps you in range of your other skills with a Root Stun that is long lasting, plus a snare, and even procing offbalance for much less cost...(Now becoming more expensive in UD23).

Thus, Stonefist has very limited use and on most set-ups doesn't make it to their skill bar.

Simply switching the 100% proc would make it viable with possibly around a 20% increase to base damage.

Thus it would become:


The morphs would remain the same.

By doing this it would be too expensive to be used as a spammable but worth slotting as a burst damage skill in a rotation for PVE and usable for boss fights in Dungeons and trials.

In PVP, it would keep the balance of LOW Damage when STUNNED the DEV'S claim they want, but provide a nice BURST skill when the opponent is IMMUNE to Stuns.

The cost seems perfectly balanced for this.

It also aligns the damage and cost with skills such as Fragments, Solar Flare, Shalks, Blastbones, and Grimfocus. But only when able to NOT stun the opponent and getting the 100% more damage.

But this is my 3rd time I think offering this, with little or no feedback to it.

Soundinfinite wrote: »

Other

Stonefist
Slam an Enemy with Solid Rock dealing 615 Magick Damage and Stunning them for 2.5 Seconds
Deals 100% more damage if the Target CAN NOT be Stunned

The morphs would remain the same.

By doing this it would be too expensive to be used as a spammable but worth slotting as a burst damage skill in a rotation for PVE and usable for boss fights in Dungeons and trials.

In PVP, it would keep the balance of LOW Damage when STUNNED the DEV'S claim they want, but provide a nice BURST skill when the opponent is IMMUNE to Stuns.

The cost seems perfectly balanced for this.

It also aligns the damage and cost with skills such as Fragments, Solar Flare, Shalks, Blastbones, and Grimfocus. But only when able to NOT stun the opponent and getting the 100% more damage.

But this is my 3rd time I think offering this, with little or no feedback to it.

You know, I had a fight today vs 3 tanky stamina players, who's main "thing" was just to dizzying swing all together target.
they literally spammed together only dizzying swings.
And sometimes downbreakers and executes if u kite their uppercots too successfull.
One warden - so also subt.. assault.
Only in such fight u can feel all the garbage we will get in the game if thing u asked for will be possible.

You can't block, dodge, use immovable potions, unstoppable, run from line of sigh etc whole the time.
One dizzying will cc u, another - 2 kill.
And they can spam it endless...interesting?
Here i told about skill with cast time.

Now lets imagine what can be pvp, if some class will have skill with instant cast with the same mechanics u described.
TO be able just spam it with delivering full damage ~ equal to instant spam-abilities.
Until it will stun target (you) and do again full damage...
Xv1 funs like these 3 guys i've met today will be extremly glad to have it, more than happy.

Do your really want such thing in the game?

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

JusticeSouldier wrote: »

brandoncoffmannub18_ESO wrote: »

Can be melee.

Stam morph deals poison damage
Mag morph deals fire damage

dumb idea. mana dk designed around pressure. With general tankiness (buffs and overheal) and with Molten whip it hits like a truck. execute have no place here.

PvP isn't the only play style

then look at parses from pts, alcast's for example...with no execute. and if u can't do enouch dps in pve - l2p.
And then we going back to PvP. Which doesn't need execute at manadk at all. bettere resourse management, maybe, but no damn execute. this game became garbage because such people as u here "please turn stonefist intoexcute blabla" starting write things without any fkn idea how it can mirror at gameplay in general if will be listened. hope not. Also it stole attention from really important things. Please stop.

Boy I end game in PvE and pull some of the highest numbers but a stam build will always outparse me or a decent templar with bloodthirsty because radiant oppression or sorcs with their pets; It's not about being good it's about being competitive, you have your ideas of what is right and I have mine, so it may not seem important to you but being viable to BiS groups is something that is important to me.