Chadak wrote: »

"ZOS, What are you doing?"

Stupid, amateur-hour things.

What they should be doing is in line with this.

Particularly this excerpt -

A. Best Practices

At the beginning of concept development, the engineer encounters evolving user preferences, imprecise
specifications of product parameters, varying levels of technology maturity, market and funding uncertainties, and
perhaps evolving regulatory, political and other hard-to-quantify factors.

Often called “the fuzzy front end” of product development, this phase is absolutely critical to embarking on a lean engineering undertaking.

Several key best practices have emerged.

Perhaps the most important element is to focus on understanding the customer and end user value expectations for the product – its features and attributes, quality, price or cost and availability.

No amount of efficient lifecycle engineering or engineering process improvement can make up for a poorly conceived product that a customer does not want.

Difficulties include less-than-fully-defined user value (after all, the product is less than fully defined at the
beginning of product development) and the importance of multiple stakeholders, particularly when end user and
acquirer (stakeholder that puts up development money) may be different. The issue of value definition and creation
in product development was studied by Slack.

A second important element is to keep the “design space” as open as long as possible before making critical decisions to address uncertainty. Toyota uses a technique called set based design in which the design choices for
subsystems and components are made from a set of possible choices ranging from a proven design to ones from
emerging technologies.

The final choice is delayed as long as possible, even into the detail design stage, in order to
have the best information available before a final choice is made.


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ZOS' consistent history for at least the past two years' worth of ESO development demonstrates two things clearly that are in contradiction of these fundamentally summarized best practice design principles, and it is worth noting that these design principles are industry agnostic; they are designed for industry ubiquity in any industry in which a product is designed and/or fabricated, no matter what that product is.

Firstly, ZOS has shown no meaningful sign of servicing the majority of their customers. The nature of their most consistent changes reflect a pattern of preference for vocal minorities within specific and exclusive subsets of the playerbase, and are never ideal to the most common use cases.

Secondly, ZOS demonstrates a clear pattern of inadequate planning, including a noteworthy incomprehension of their own fundamental systems.

This game is a machine, just as certainly as the engine in your car or the device on which you're reading this. They make it systematically obvious that they do not understand the interoperations of their own mechanical systems through egregious and rapid-fire 'throw things at the wall until they stick' method of patching and re-patching of the same things.

This is not in line with industry standards of tweaking and modifying the mechanics of powers, abilities and classes; fine tuning is not done in double-digit percentage modifications. It's usually not called 'fine tuning' at all when large single integer modifications are being made.

Between these two points, I see no basis for confusion about how we've arrived at our present circumstance.

ZOS does not know what they are doing when it comes to the most mechanical of systems inherent to this machine we call a game. They have no singular design goal when it comes to classes or even single powers and abilities, and this is repeatedly demonstrated through their consistency of inconsistency when it comes to the magnitude and nature of their modifications made to them.

This is not a pattern of behavior that demonstrates confidence or even working knowledge of the mechanics at play.

This is not a pattern of behavior that indicates any plan or goal inherent to a desired outcome.

ZOS is winging it, and that is not, has never been and will never be an acceptable engineering practice in any respected or respectable field or industry.

iPeriphery wrote: »

ZoS, you are killing your game. I have been playing ESO since Beta and honestly, It's just gotten progressively WORSE and more buggy since Imperial City came out. You guys need to stop trying to fix what isn't broken, and focus on the many many bugs that have still yet to be fixed since Beta, or have been in the game for 2+ Years. Every patch, lag and performance gets worse and worse. Focus on the huge list of broken things you have before adding new content. Come on guys, this is nothing new. You've had years to get your *** together

You are killing your player-base by constantly throwing the game on it's head every few months. People don't like constant nerfs and changes to class identity every patch. You very clearly DO NOT play your own game; Especially not PVP. You need to stop being stubborn and just seperately Balance PVE and PVP already like we have been asking for years, this way you don't feel the need to completely GUT your game and class mechanics every few patches. People have had enough of your bullsht and aren't going to stick around much longer. Hell, even CP was only a band-aid fix that only further increased the unbalance in this game; rendering PVE content laughable, and making people absolutely busted in PVP, as well as severely widening the gap in which new players have to overcome to catch up to veteran players.

It's SO sad seeing what could have been such an amazing and fun game like what it was for such a long time, completely pooped on every single update. None of the things about this game that actually make an MMO Good, are present any longer. Stop trying to rely on the single player RPG PVE quest stuff to completely carry an MMO! That's not the point of an MMO! The point of an MMO is to have competitive and engaging content to do with FRIENDS!!!! Without that, there is 0 replayability. Stop treating the game like an Elderscrolls game first, and like an MMO first and you will have 10000x more success.

At this point you might as well roll back to IC, add all the QoL Updates and try again, because at this rate you guys won't ever succeed in making classes feel unique and diverse like they used to be. There's no reason to even log in anymore. PVP is homogenized and lost all sense of diversity that it used to have way back when. And the game engine is so limiting that it can't even handle all the players without lag.

ESO has been getting to the threshold where people aren't going to put up with your sht anymore Zos. You can ban me, or delete this post; but you can't change the Truth, and the fact of the matter is that nobody even wants to have to make these kinds of posts on the forums but tbh you guys have made the playerbase have to resort to this. Learn how to actually play your game before you make changes that are uninformed and break it further.

Cyrodill keeps getting more and more unplayable every patch, and you guys don't seem to give a single F, you are making a unwise decision by prioritizing crown store content over performance. FIX the bugs that are crippling your playerbase and get worse and more broken with every patch, and you will make wayyyy more money than any singular crownstore update. That's the problem with the gaming industry now a days, you treat people like units of energy to extract money from. How about actually making a game that is engaging and fun? You would make more money and have a much longer future to draw income from if you would stop treating human beings like cattle to be milked dry of every last penny.

Not to mention the complete and utter failure Necromancer was. I wanted to like it so bad, and as I was leveling up Necro it was honestly really fun, but man what a dissapointment.... And the worst part is that it's been this long and its STILL broken. Like come on, you can't expect people to pay for this stuff and it be completely broken

SweepsAllClowns wrote: »

West1389 wrote: »

I'm still wondering if all the defenders are employees lol. Antonio prob has like 39 accts to defend the comp. He takes the job really seriously lol.

As absurd that might sound I must admit I've thought about it sometimes, when I read some posts where people tell they play without any problems all the time, feels like it's impossible for them to crash in Cyrodiil for example. Also what's amazing is Zenimax personnel is often acting like completely ignorant when players have been reporting the same issues for years already, many times it's like some whole new problem they hear for the first time ever.

iPeriphery wrote: »

ZoS, you are killing your game. I have been playing ESO since Beta and honestly, It's just gotten progressively WORSE and more buggy since Imperial City came out. You guys need to stop trying to fix what isn't broken, and focus on the many many bugs that have still yet to be fixed since Beta, or have been in the game for 2+ Years. Every patch, lag and performance gets worse and worse. Focus on the huge list of broken things you have before adding new content. Come on guys, this is nothing new. You've had years to get your *** together

You are killing your player-base by constantly throwing the game on it's head every few months. People don't like constant nerfs and changes to class identity every patch. You very clearly DO NOT play your own game; Especially not PVP. You need to stop being stubborn and just seperately Balance PVE and PVP already like we have been asking for years, this way you don't feel the need to completely GUT your game and class mechanics every few patches. People have had enough of your bullsht and aren't going to stick around much longer. Hell, even CP was only a band-aid fix that only further increased the unbalance in this game; rendering PVE content laughable, and making people absolutely busted in PVP, as well as severely widening the gap in which new players have to overcome to catch up to veteran players.

It's SO sad seeing what could have been such an amazing and fun game like what it was for such a long time, completely pooped on every single update. None of the things about this game that actually make an MMO Good, are present any longer. Stop trying to rely on the single player RPG PVE quest stuff to completely carry an MMO! That's not the point of an MMO! The point of an MMO is to have competitive and engaging content to do with FRIENDS!!!! Without that, there is 0 replayability. Stop treating the game like an Elderscrolls game first, and like an MMO first and you will have 10000x more success.

At this point you might as well roll back to IC, add all the QoL Updates and try again, because at this rate you guys won't ever succeed in making classes feel unique and diverse like they used to be. There's no reason to even log in anymore. PVP is homogenized and lost all sense of diversity that it used to have way back when. And the game engine is so limiting that it can't even handle all the players without lag.

ESO has been getting to the threshold where people aren't going to put up with your sht anymore Zos. You can ban me, or delete this post; but you can't change the Truth, and the fact of the matter is that nobody even wants to have to make these kinds of posts on the forums but tbh you guys have made the playerbase have to resort to this. Learn how to actually play your game before you make changes that are uninformed and break it further.

Cyrodill keeps getting more and more unplayable every patch, and you guys don't seem to give a single F, you are making a unwise decision by prioritizing crown store content over performance. FIX the bugs that are crippling your playerbase and get worse and more broken with every patch, and you will make wayyyy more money than any singular crownstore update. That's the problem with the gaming industry now a days, you treat people like units of energy to extract money from. How about actually making a game that is engaging and fun? You would make more money and have a much longer future to draw income from if you would stop treating human beings like cattle to be milked dry of every last penny.

Not to mention the complete and utter failure Necromancer was. I wanted to like it so bad, and as I was leveling up Necro it was honestly really fun, but man what a dissapointment.... And the worst part is that it's been this long and its STILL broken. Like come on, you can't expect people to pay for this stuff and it be completely broken