Proposed to Onslaught change

Stellarvorous · July 2019

Dark Matter Apophis here incase no one recognizes me most know me in pvp PC NA I love my onslaught and yes I have seen the new changes proposed by zos I personally do think it is going to be more OP then it should be as thus here is my opinion on what can be done with it .

regardless of what happens ill be using it anyways because I love onslaught less they decide to tweak berserkers rage but I don't want to see onslaught become so cancer that its the only ult used in pvp variety is nice

Also it would be nice if the tooltip on onslaught was a bit updated to better specify how much resistance is actually being ignored and how much penetration would be gained if im using it in someone with 30k+ resistances should I get 30k resistance ignored + that penetration? No imo that seems rather high a stated fixed number would be nice personally id be content with something around 12k resistance ignored/gained penetration .

Ill probably catch *** for saying this but I do think mag specs should be able to make use of onslaught if it does go live so let it scale with the higher offensive stat *assuming it doesn't already* let me know your opinions via vote or propose your own changes

nsmurfer · July 2019

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Increase the cost to 180

MincVinyl · July 2019

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Tbh the current live return ult on a kill is unique in the game and i would rather have that still available.

If they really want to do the pen it should be changed on the berserker's rage morph instead, to where you get 8 seconds of pen IF you get the kill with the ult.

note that this forces people to have to actually fight their opponent, currently on pts you just pop onslaught on a full health target then go into execute rotation

Then the 8 seconds of pen gives you opportunity to spend 4 seconds debuffing/setting up on another target and 4 seconds of another burst window (how well the user can swap targets would give a more skillful approach to a currently brainless ability)

Crixus8000 · July 2019

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I don't know why they needed to rework it. The aoe buff alone was huge, and would also make this ult easier to proc and more reliable. They changed it into the most broken op ult in the game instead.

Defilted · July 2019

Take away the pen and lower the cost to 100 or keep it as it is on the PTS so I can smash people with it.

Stellarvorous · July 2019

While my inner ganker giggles at the possibilities of what I might achieve with this penetration id honestly rather have my refunded ult back whether its on berserkers rage or onslaught zos should be proposing changes to both morphs.

Since realistically how many folks here actually witness someone using berserkers rage instead of onslaught? iv tried it once or twice my self but snare CC immunity didn't feel as rewarding as the ult recharged 100%...

either way free resistance ignored and penetration for 16 seconds despite the fact the target didn't die even I can say that's a bit strong but if they don't change the proposed PTS onslaught or give me a different choice in berserkers rage I wont hesitate to use that cheese yal better hope they change it

templesus · July 2019

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Keep as is on PTS, it’s totally balanced

TumlinTheJolly · July 2019

Give Berserkers Rage the 100% ult refund if it kills a target no penetration gained give the current live onslaught mechanic to beserkers rage instead for those of us who still prefer it if the onslaught change goes thru

Live Onslaught is fun and balanced. Don't touch it please.

Urzigurumash · July 2019

Give Berserkers Rage the 100% ult refund if it kills a target no penetration gained give the current live onslaught mechanic to beserkers rage instead for those of us who still prefer it if the onslaught change goes thru

The Ultimate refund of live Onslaught provides a nice alternative to VO for StamDKs in VMA, which is putatively one of the most difficult classes in VMA. It is very difficult to use this Ultimate refund effectively in PvP, so this would provide a nice and clear distinction between a PvE and PvP morph.

satanio · July 2019

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templesus wrote: »

Keep as is on PTS, it’s totally balanced

Ezorus · July 2019

Leave the ult the way it currently is Live *Not on PTS* the way most of us who have used it over the years prefer it

Its like the only Ultimate that can refund if used well.. keep it the same not some counterfeit dawn breaker

Davadin · July 2019

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half the duration.

in 16 sec, I can build up either a DK Leap or a Dawnbreaker when I'm throwing Caltrops on a zerg.

That's quite the level of insanity.

or leave it as is in PTS, sure......... nerf incoming soon after anyway.

BUT please don't leave it as Live. It's underperforming and as a 2H/2H build, I YEARN for a good 2H ulti that I can use in CP PvP.... otherwise, the refund-when-kill is usable only in no-CP or BG.

Like, just last night.... I used it in live, and 4 out of 5 times with a tooltip of 18k damage, I'm hitting some perma-block-tank, perma-shield sorc, stamward, and a variety of other veterans in Kaalgrontid NA (Ales siege, I'm EP)... with an average of freakin 3k. Most people would simply DODGE it, and a full blocking tank would just register ~1.5k damage.

Maybe twice, or thrice, I got hit over 8k with "This attack ignores the target's Resistance"

It is *** in Live. Usable, but really, there's others out there.

Strider__Roshin · July 2019

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templesus wrote: »

Keep as is on PTS, it’s totally balanced

ProzTh3Almighty · July 2019

i honestly have no problem gettin away from it if anyone hits me with it at full health. It only hurts of they can take me to half ish health first then bop it. Then i dodge it most of the time anyway. Havent seen the OPness of it yet i guess. Id rather take it than a dawny burst stun tbh. But its all perspective i guess an Ive died to more magplar toppling charge into crescent sweep, entropy-soul trap-vamp banes buffed purifying lights so far.

iCaliban · July 2019

Daus wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Keep as is on PTS, it’s totally balanced

Both of you should lose your forum posting privileges. Unending useless comments promoting your favorite playstyle at the expense of both common sense and game balance.

Stellarvorous · July 2019

@Davadin I sure hope I misunderstood what you said your tool tip for onslaught was because it sounds like you said your tool tip was only 18k im hoping that's unbuffed at the least.

Because I can squeeze out a 27k buffed tooltip on my warden with a single damage set if I run automaton and sword singer im busting close to a 30k tooltip running only 18k buffed or even unbuffed that's still way low tbh you gota spec for onslaught if you wana spank people because as you know 18k tooltip is 9k thanks to battle spirit.

Then if you start factoring in their crit resist especially if their running fortified brass or impreg yeah your onslaught of an 18k tooltip is going to hit like a wet fart after some really cheap fore play you gota up those numbers.

Far as the current live ult goes my self like many in this thread want it to stay as is currently live though I wouldn't object if they did this pen idea to berserkers rage since well it aint really seeing much use.

lets hope zos decides to actually look at this poll and change it though a few knowing its broken want it to stay as such I mean I cant blame them and I wont pretend if the PTS onslaught goes live I will sure as hell be using it my self.

Though there is no sugar coating it if the PTS onslaught goes live then it will live up to its name because the "Onslaught" of QQ nerf it threads will pour in like a herd of diabetics to a Mc Donalds for the dollar menu goodies *No offense* lol

Davadin · July 2019

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Stellarvorous wrote: »

@Davadin I sure hope I misunderstood what you said your tool tip for onslaught was because it sounds like you said your tool tip was only 18k im hoping that's unbuffed at the least.

Because I can squeeze out a 27k buffed tooltip on my warden with a single damage set if I run automaton and sword singer im busting close to a 30k tooltip running only 18k buffed or even unbuffed that's still way low tbh you gota spec for onslaught if you wana spank people because as you know 18k tooltip is 9k thanks to battle spirit.

Then if you start factoring in their crit resist especially if their running fortified brass or impreg yeah your onslaught of an 18k tooltip is going to hit like a wet fart after some really cheap fore play you gota up those numbers.

lol

bro..... teach me.

I'm medium build dk with 3.5k wep dmg, with major+minor brut + 3x setting fury I'm at around 5.2k wep damage in cyro.

my tooltip is 18k. probably closer to 20 if i put on sword singer with deadly strike.

how the hell u get to 30k? i thought my cp already build for max Physical dmg lol

Urzigurumash · July 2019

Give Berserkers Rage the 100% ult refund if it kills a target no penetration gained give the current live onslaught mechanic to beserkers rage instead for those of us who still prefer it if the onslaught change goes thru

Davadin wrote: »

I'm medium build dk with 3.5k wep dmg, with major+minor brut + 3x setting fury I'm at around 5.2k wep damage in cyro

With a Berserker enchant procced you should be higher than that. He was saying 30k with Sword Singer and Automaton. In my opinion, with the Ulti Refund you didn't need to build into Onslaught that much to make it useful for a DK, it's still a good choice at 18k just for the sustain. I assume you are running duel 2h specifically to have Onslaught on one bar and your strongest Leap possible on the other bar?

Davadin · July 2019

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Urzigurumash wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

I'm medium build dk with 3.5k wep dmg, with major+minor brut + 3x setting fury I'm at around 5.2k wep damage in cyro

With a Berserker enchant procced you should be higher than that. He was saying 30k with Sword Singer and Automaton. In my opinion, with the Ulti Refund you didn't need to build into Onslaught that much to make it useful for a DK, it's still a good choice at 18k just for the sustain. I assume you are running duel 2h specifically to have Onslaught on one bar and your strongest Leap possible on the other bar?

nah, running 2H purely coz i like how it looks lol... it's not a great build, but it's playable in Cyro and definitely look badass....

yes, i got around 6.3k wd when it procs, along with 7th legion, according to combat log add-on.

just tried sword-singer too, but i could not make it higher than 22k tooltip.

and it's not for the refund, i just like a single-target burst ulti, and i'm getting tired of dawnbreaker. Leap is still a good (and cheaper) option for when i just wanna jump some AoE damage, but i expect Onslaught to have a higher burst.

but in live, those tooltips are quite similar, 20~22k, but i expect Onslaught with bypassing resistance would hit higher.

just now i'm about 5-7k both onslaught vs leap reported by combat metric.

so why would i slot onslaught at all?

Urzigurumash · July 2019

Give Berserkers Rage the 100% ult refund if it kills a target no penetration gained give the current live onslaught mechanic to beserkers rage instead for those of us who still prefer it if the onslaught change goes thru

Davadin wrote: »

so why would i slot onslaught at all?

As it is live, in my opinion, on a StamDK, if we look at just Leap, Onslaught, and Corrosive, the Ultimate refund with DK sustain is the only motivation to slot Onslaught / Leap or Onslaught / Corrosive over Leap / Corrosive. If the changes to Onslaught go live I guess it's just a matter of whether the defensive aspect of Corrosive outweighs the lower cost of Onslaught. Certainly Onslaught / Corrosive will be a rare choice.

Stellarvorous · July 2019

Onslaught vs leap or corrosive is a tough choice for a DK personally id still take leap for that undodgeable aoe its cheaper

Going off how most DKs play id still expect them to take corrosive purely for the defensive part of the ult maybe a few will run onslaught if they think its a better choice but *imo* DK has some nice ults to choose from.

I run onslaught on my warden and templar/stamn sorc because well its that or dawnbreaker….. perma frost on warden is ok but waiting for that 200 ult aint worth it to me.

I would rather zos rework the bear ult giving me a morph choice where the AI disappears completely and the warden just gets an opportunity to use the bear maul as its own kinda like a mimic of serenes proc.

granted it wont happen any year soon so onslaught it is less the bat swarm improves damage wise for stamn less this new unnamed skill line that's coming end of the year has a nice ult then maybe

hakan · July 2019

Onslaught will also have a 400ms cast time though. It sounds good for a stamnb but i dont know how it will be for stamdk.

evoniee · July 2019

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half the increased penetration duration

Strider__Roshin · July 2019

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iCaliban wrote: »

Daus wrote: »

templesus wrote: »

Keep as is on PTS, it’s totally balanced

Both of you should lose your forum posting privileges. Unending useless comments promoting your favorite playstyle at the expense of both common sense and game balance.

Reduce the cost of onslaught and I'll be fine with a reduction of the buff duration. Currently as a stamblade DBoS is the obvious go-to since it hits harder than Incap, leaves a powerful DoT that out-DPS's the damage buff you get from Incap, it CCs, passively buffs my other abilities, and it's undodgeable.

DBoS is such an overloaded Ult that Onslaught needs this incredible buff in order to justify me risk using it over DBoS.

Oh and if people should lose their posting privileges for anything it should be for the use of ad hominems. But if they did that I don't know how magicka players would be able to communicate. After all, the grand majority of magicka players lack the intellectual capacity to argue the point rather than insult the individual that they disagree with.

Strider__Roshin · July 2019

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hakan wrote: »

Onslaught will also have a 400ms cast time though. It sounds good for a stamnb but i dont know how it will be for stamdk.

I would argue the opposite since Fossilize forces your opponent into a crouching animation before getting the option to CC break.

Davadin · July 2019

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Urzigurumash wrote: »

Davadin wrote: »

so why would i slot onslaught at all?

As it is live, in my opinion, on a StamDK, if we look at just Leap, Onslaught, and Corrosive, the Ultimate refund with DK sustain is the only motivation to slot Onslaught / Leap or Onslaught / Corrosive over Leap / Corrosive. If the changes to Onslaught go live I guess it's just a matter of whether the defensive aspect of Corrosive outweighs the lower cost of Onslaught. Certainly Onslaught / Corrosive will be a rare choice.

good point. but as a Nord who plays in Cyro and using Bloodspawn, Ulti regen is a non-issue. Just AoE DoT, hold block if ur getting hit, and give it a few seconds.

in PTS tho, damn, 16 sec of extra penetration? yes please.

but for something that's dodgeable, 150 is a bit much.

I say half the time period to 8 sec and drop cost to 125 ulti.

kalunte · July 2019

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i dont believe any dk/warden/sorc/necro nor templar will prefere it to their class ults. maybe nightblade that are used to waste ults in dodge will use it, still, for 150ults it wont be the first choice of many, (dbos will still have a good spot ^^).

as it is it'll be a great opener for tanky builds still, it's a melee target-needing skill that can be dodged. kinda overpowered on the best players that are not cheesing with other ults but not as terryfying as you guys make it sound..

ChunkyCat · July 2019

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Upon activation of the Ulti, my opponent should crap their pants.

Immersion.

Witar · July 2019

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It's either keep it the way it is on live (already super strong ult if used right) or remove penetration and replace it with something different. Even with the cast time it's still too op.

Davadin · July 2019

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ChunkyCat wrote: »

Upon activation of the Ulti, my opponent should crap their pants.

Immersion.

crap their pants = 80% snare for 60 sec. un-cleanable.

"it's hard to run with crap on your pants."

kalunte wrote: »

i dont believe any dk/warden/sorc/necro nor templar will prefere it to their class ults. maybe nightblade that are used to waste ults in dodge will use it, still, for 150ults it wont be the first choice of many, (dbos will still have a good spot ^^).

as it is it'll be a great opener for tanky builds still, it's a melee target-needing skill that can be dodged. kinda overpowered on the best players that are not cheesing with other ults but not as terryfying as you guys make it sound..

as a DK we have other really good AoE options, but no Single-target one. I'd consider this more than Corrosive Armor for running around solo in Cyro.... Leap can still miss in Cyro and nobody uses a banner.

SilverPaws · July 2019

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