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Get rid of Major Evasion from Momentum
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ProzTh3Almighty✭✭✭
Well to be honest if your in medium you shouldnt use it an if your in heavy then you probably want the major brutality buff and the snare immunity, if not run weapon power pots an SnB an use RAT its up to you!Crixus8000 wrote: »ProzTh3Almighty wrote: »It really shouldnt need another buff of any sort major brutality an snare removal or major brutality and burst heal. Asking for more is just gonna make us OP in some peoples eyes an theyll nerf us next time round but worse off then we are meow
Then why use it then though? 4 sec snare immunity and major brutality (a buff that some get for free) compared to shuffle that gives major evasion, 1-2 seconds more snare immunity and major expedition. Seems unbalanced imo.
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Yiko✭✭✭✭✭Yeah, conceptually the Major Evasion on Momentum seems strange to me.
Rally users in the open world generally also used Shuffle, so the proposed Major Evasion on Rally is redundant in that regard.
The people that used Forward Momentum were generally Heavy Armor builds that do NOT need more passive mitigation.
The main benefit from this design choice is that Medium Armor builds will be able to use Forward Momentum and gain Major Evasion without the use of Shuffle, freeing up a bar slot.
However, the previously mentioned design flaws are IMO too severe to consider this a good change, so Major Evasion should be replaced.
Also: it's more important to agree on the core issue than to bicker about player proposed changes.Edited by Yiko on July 15, 2019 3:16AM0 -
xylena_lazarow✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Heavy Armor should not have easy access to Major Evasion.
Major Evasion should be limited to Medium Armor, Nightblades, the rather expensive and short duration DW Blade Cloak, and those handful of 5pc sets that nobody uses anyway.PC/NA || Cyro/BGs || retired until Dagon brings a new dawn of PvP metas2 -
Wihuri✭✭✭ThePainGuy wrote: »Minor savagery maybe. What are the sources of minor savagery in the game? Potions...
Being a nightblade or having a nightblade in your group. Every class has their minor buff (except necro?) that they bring to their party. Nightblade's minor buff is minor savagery.0 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
Wrong. There is a whole CP node dedicated to countering shields.
And you know stamina can block. If you are dodging AoE you are doing it wrong. Try the right mouse button.2 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
Shield taking more nerf, anyhow ZOS is again creating too much gap b/w stamina and magicka.
I hope there will be adjustments by final PTS.1 -
KingExecration✭✭✭✭No doubt if it’s kept my healer is going back to forward momentum for the immunity and tankiness of evasion. Hope they fix it before then lmao0
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Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
Shield taking more nerf, anyhow ZOS is again creating too much gap b/w stamina and magicka.
I hope there will be adjustments by final PTS.
Nah I disagree. I think the gap is closing between Stam and magicka. Hopefully magsorcs won't be alone at the top anymore. Although I think magplars are going to be the new meta with that ridiculous eclipse change. Oh and I know you incorrectly thought Stam was at the top, and you would be wrong.0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
Wrong. There is a whole CP node dedicated to countering shields.
And you know stamina can block. If you are dodging AoE you are doing it wrong. Try the right mouse button.
Medium armor (non SnB) doesn't use blocking as their main defense since not only is it taxing on their resources (no block cost reduction), but it also shuts off their Stam Regen which is more of a detriment then it is in heavy since heavy gets their sustain from heavy weaving.
Spec my character to have better survivability via blocking? Why do think heavy became the meta for Stam while the privileged magicka can still use light?0 -
sly007✭✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
This. Stamina has no damage shields that scale of max stamina to counter aoe. Major evasion is the solution.1 -
TheYKcid✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Agreed. Heavy doesn't need more mitigation, and Medium already gets evasion from shuffle.
I like the idea of minor endurance. It's thematically consistent with maintaining your "momentum" during a fight, by helping you sustain so you can keep up the pressure.
It's also more likely than Minor Savagery. The latter is already provided by NBs' passive, and ZOS has expressed their intention of making such minor buffs unique to their respective classes to encourage diversity in raids.PC/NA — Daggerfall Covenant — BGs, Kaalgrontiid
Kalazar Chalhoub — Redguard Nord Stamplar
Kalaron Caemor — Altmer Magsorc
Kalahad Cirith — Dunmer Magden0 -
CambionDaemon✭✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
This. Stamina has no damage shields that scale of max stamina to counter aoe. Major evasion is the solution.
Roll out of AoE's, and Oblivion damage goes straight through shields (completely ignores).0 -
Red_Feather✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭That new version of Grim Focus has a cool mechanic. What if Momentum got something like that.Grim Focus
Focus your senses for 20 seconds, reducing your damage taken by 3% with every Light or Heavy Attack, up to 5 times.
While active, hitting an enemy with 5 Light or Heavy Attacks changes this ability into Assassin’s Will, allowing you to fire a single shot from a spectral bow at an enemy to deal 1479 Magic Damage, and healing for 33% of the damage dealt if you are within 7 meters of the enemy.
So Momentum could be...New Momentum
Focus your strength to gain Major Brutality, and increase your Weapon Damage by X with every Light or Heavy Attack, up to 5 times.
While active, hitting an enemy with 5 Light or Heavy Attacks changes this ability into X, allowing you to X.
I put Xs cause I don't have any cool ideas for the effects. The grim focus mechanic is neat and I think the behaviour of such a mechanic fits the name of the momentum skill too. Cause it's building up something.
Edited by Red_Feather on July 15, 2019 2:48PM0 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
Wrong. There is a whole CP node dedicated to countering shields.
And you know stamina can block. If you are dodging AoE you are doing it wrong. Try the right mouse button.
Medium armor (non SnB) doesn't use blocking as their main defense since not only is it taxing on their resources (no block cost reduction), but it also shuts off their Stam Regen which is more of a detriment then it is in heavy since heavy gets their sustain from heavy weaving.
Spec my character to have better survivability via blocking? Why do think heavy became the meta for Stam while the privileged magicka can still use light?
Yes but you use cloak0 -
Strider__Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Girl_Number8 wrote: »josh.lackey_ESO wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
Wrong. There is a whole CP node dedicated to countering shields.
And you know stamina can block. If you are dodging AoE you are doing it wrong. Try the right mouse button.
Medium armor (non SnB) doesn't use blocking as their main defense since not only is it taxing on their resources (no block cost reduction), but it also shuts off their Stam Regen which is more of a detriment then it is in heavy since heavy gets their sustain from heavy weaving.
Spec my character to have better survivability via blocking? Why do think heavy became the meta for Stam while the privileged magicka can still use light?
Yes but you use cloak
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technohic✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well; they got the expedition off of shuffle. Seems evasion could come off momentum so that there is a reason to use shuffle. I mean; you could use shuffle with Rally still to keep the heal and immunity, but why not just use RAT at that point and get an extra offensive buff?0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lord_Eomer wrote: »Lord_Eomer wrote: »Seems like Stam hating Major Evaision as easily accesible
Magicka shield took huge nerfs why not give this to Magicka instead
Because Stam needs major evasion in order to compensate for having their main defense mechanic completely countered by AoEs. There's nothing that specifically ignores damage shields so magicka doesn't deserve any kind of special form of mitigation.
Shield taking more nerf, anyhow ZOS is again creating too much gap b/w stamina and magicka.
I hope there will be adjustments by final PTS.
Nah I disagree. I think the gap is closing between Stam and magicka. Hopefully magsorcs won't be alone at the top anymore. Although I think magplars are going to be the new meta with that ridiculous eclipse change. Oh and I know you incorrectly thought Stam was at the top, and you would be wrong.
Mag Sorc are no doubt harder to take on due to powerful shields stacking but shields are only magicka defence and have to spend much on resources to have good uptime.
Light armor provides very less protection + have no easy access for Damage reduction buffs like Major Evasion available for stam builds.
They can not roll dodge like stamina either.
Templars also got nerf to BOL so expecting magicka will perform somehow lower than Stam.
Both got nerf pretty hard but new build opportunities are out there with buff to some sets and skills.Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 15, 2019 5:43PM0 -
ab_boSoul ShrivenGive Momentum base 20% Weapon Damage + Snare removal
Forward Momentum = Major Evasion
Rally = Heal
Gives medium armour users a burst heal over heavy as they can run Elude
Also, they should change Elude to have the Major Expedition on cast, and give Shuffle the snare removal.
Overall would add more theory crafting, as people wouldn't have to run same morphs.2
