Faction stacking

cairo_x · July 2019

It is clear by now that ESO and PvP are not working that smoothly. The constant crash is pulling people away from the game. But what's most sadly is the fact that in NA CP campaign eh EP and DC faction stacking against AD is dropping several players from areas. I believe the crashes are random, but when you have two factions against one, even if the numbers are equally disconnected you still have two factions against 1. And in my honest opinion this is a really... REALLY poor way to win a campaign.

vamp_emily · July 2019

Just kind of curious what you think about AD. Crowning a fake emp and TRYING to take all of DC/EP scrolls when nobody was on. Do you think that is a poor way to winning a campaign?

TequilaFire · July 2019

Funny on EP we see DC and AD stacking against us. lmao
It is a matter of perspective.

Vietfox · July 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Funny on EP we see DC and AD stacking against us. lmao
It is a matter of perspective.

In EU all 3 alliances team up on poor Alessia bridge.

Vapirko · July 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Funny on EP we see DC and AD stacking against us. lmao
It is a matter of perspective.

Ummm I’m PREEETTTYYY SUUURREEE it’s AD and EP vs DC. Like, we all know thats like, what’s really going on.

VaranisArano · July 2019

In an AvAvA game, every team inevitably feels like its actually A v A+A.

That's just how it works.

And also in "that's just how this works", every faction will faction stack in order to take important objectives like a scroll or the last emp keep.

Plus, seeing as how AD had a nice lead in 1st place on PC/NA Kaal, I'm not sure why you expect EP and DC not to focus AD...

Electric_Pickle · July 2019

Most of the time it's DC and EP stacking up on AD. I don't know how many times I've looked at the map and seen the Northern regions divided right down the middle while AD catches all kinds of hell from both alliances. There's been a lot of times I just gave up in disgust.

BigBragg · July 2019

Look we all know if AD doesn't come with twice the numbers, they will do one of two things:

A. Sit on a wall with siege.
B. Sneak to a keep with no enemies.

khajiitNPC · July 2019

Faction stacking happens by the design of AvAvA. When you have 3 faction it’s bound to happen because battles converge at certain points. Yeah there’s some blatant teaming going on at times.

Also nightcapping happens too. You expect them to close the servers at late late night early morning?

I swear you guys qq over everything.

vamp_emily · July 2019

On NA/PC/Kaal the only reason why AD is going to win is because DC/EP are lacking a little common sense. They should be pressing AD hard the last few days of the campaign.. they should have been doing it once AD got the lead.

This morning was a good example what we should be doing, AD was all choked up because we DC/EP put a lot of pressure on them.

SidraWillowsky · July 2019

TequilaFire wrote: »

Funny on EP we see DC and AD stacking against us. lmao
It is a matter of perspective.

LOL yeah, I think every faction feels like it's being ganged up on by the other two. My preferred race to play is Bosmer, so I stay locked into AD for my 30-day campaigns and feel like Team Purple is a common thing.

However, the past few mag toons I've created are Breton, since Bosmer mag chars are giving me sustain issues. When I take the Bretons into Cyrodiil or the sewers, I constantly feel victimized by AD and like DC is the underdog.

Ackwalan · July 2019

vamp_emily wrote: »

On NA/PC/Kaal the only reason why AD is going to win is because DC/EP are lacking a little common sense. They should be pressing AD hard the last few days of the campaign.. they should have been doing it once AD got the lead.

This morning was a good example what we should be doing, AD was all choked up because we DC/EP put a lot of pressure on them.

Everybody knows it's AD's turn to win. Why are you messing with the rotation.

technohic · July 2019

Truth be told, all do it and
1. EP is army of the potato who truly does orchestrate faction stack and the perception is full of bad outside of like Drac, Animosity, etc

2. DC is is a salty PUG faction that will stack but not siege keeps, allowing the enemy to respawn and farm them outside a few guilds

3. AD is the whiner faction who'd rather sneak and attack without resistance. Simply that. Everyone is out to get them.

VaranisArano · July 2019

Electric_Pickle wrote: »

Most of the time it's DC and EP stacking up on AD. I don't know how many times I've looked at the map and seen the Northern regions divided right down the middle while AD catches all kinds of hell from both alliances. There's been a lot of times I just gave up in disgust.

If the North is divided right down the middle, its because EP and DC are having their usual battle along the Chalman - Bleakers - Aleswell corridor.

You know the constant fighting between EP and AD along BRK -Sej - Alessia? Yeah, its the same thing on the North end.

Its all about your perspective.

Kova · July 2019

VaranisArano wrote: »

Electric_Pickle wrote: »

Most of the time it's DC and EP stacking up on AD. I don't know how many times I've looked at the map and seen the Northern regions divided right down the middle while AD catches all kinds of hell from both alliances. There's been a lot of times I just gave up in disgust.

If the North is divided right down the middle, its because EP and DC are having their usual battle along the Chalman - Bleakers - Aleswell corridor.

You know the constant fighting between EP and AD along BRK -Sej - Alessia? Yeah, its the same thing on the North end.

Its all about your perspective.

I refuse to believe that. Obviously the factions are teaming up against my faction and that's the only reason we are losing. Sure, it's been literally years since this belief started...almost as old as ZoS hating DKs and loving nightblades....and even though there is a metric ton of evidence that suggests it has no merit, I still believe the other two teams are just bullying my team.

ZoS really needs to make alts on opposing factions ILLEGAL because this game needs to be taken seriously, and spying/sabotage is ruining the experience of highly skilled players like myself.

Maybe then I'll actually sub, but probably not because an amazing experience with huge amounts of content and optimized pvp should come free anyways.

@community_manager_name1 and @community_manager_name2(BOTH OF WHOM HAVE NEAR TO NO POWER OVER DETRIMENTAL CHANGES TO THE GAME), we need answers!

Durham · July 2019

Stacking period is garbage gameplay. That lags the servers to the point of crashes and bugs. When you have groups of 24 running around in balls latency/lag skyrockets. Everyone else that is playing suffers. The game becomes unplayable. BUGS start poping up everywhere, for example doors no longer work.. They run around CCing knowing that CC break does not work in heavy latency. They get even more easy kills due to the Lag they create.

How many rank 50 players have you ran into and just demolished? There are ton of these guys. Im sorry but to get to Rank 50 in PVP you should have aquired some skill. But playing in these groups usually hurts you more then helps you.

These players have done more to destroy an awsome PVP game then any exploiting player. People come into PVP and experience the lag and quickly say "THIS IS HORRID HOW DO YOU PEOPLE PLAY IN THIS?"

In the end ZOS has done things to fight this stlye but they will never destroy because of the basic design of healing and AOE.

dennissomb16_ESO · July 2019

Kind of curious in a game with 3 realms how you can have anything except 2v1. While at any given time 1 side may get pushed harder then average for a period of time it always swings around to another side getting squeezed eventually.

Before the faction lock you could log into any 30 day cp (typically the most populated campaign) and no matter the faction you logged into they would be complaining about the other 2 sides teaming up on them.

Gilvoth · July 2019

factions / alliances, need to be removed and allow for open pvp.

Gandrhulf_Harbard · July 2019

vamp_emily wrote: »

Just kind of curious what you think about AD. Crowning a fake emp and TRYING to take all of DC/EP scrolls when nobody was on. Do you think that is a poor way to winning a campaign?

Wasn't AD's fault no one was on.

They saw an opportunity and took it.

Fault lies with whoever gave them that opportunity in the first place.

All The Best

TequilaFire · July 2019

BS, AvAvA is the whole point of Cyrodiil.

Daedric_NB_187 · July 2019

I love getting gangbanged by AD and DC on Xbox NA. It's the highlight of my pvp day

VaranisArano · July 2019

Durham wrote: »

Stacking period is garbage gameplay. That lags the servers to the point of crashes and bugs. When you have groups of 24 running around in balls latency/lag skyrockets. Everyone else that is playing suffers. The game becomes unplayable. BUGS start poping up everywhere, for example doors no longer work.. They run around CCing knowing that CC break does not work in heavy latency. They get even more easy kills due to the Lag they create.

How many rank 50 players have you ran into and just demolished? There are ton of these guys. Im sorry but to get to Rank 50 in PVP you should have aquired some skill. But playing in these groups usually hurts you more then helps you.

These players have done more to destroy an awsome PVP game then any exploiting player. People come into PVP and experience the lag and quickly say "THIS IS HORRID HOW DO YOU PEOPLE PLAY IN THIS?"

In the end ZOS has done things to fight this stlye but they will never destroy because of the basic design of healing and AOE.

A. ZOS is never going to destroy the organized raid playstyle unless they fundamentally give up the idea of Cyrodiil as an AvAvA zone that rewards teamwork as a group and as a faction. ESO's PVP is just well designed for large and small organized groups - that much is obvious even in BGs. Teamwork and communication is OP, even more than the specific skills or sets.

B. Large (lag-inducing) fights happen organically in Cyrodiil by design. The zone itself is designed for groups of 2 to 24 players, and the objectives generate reasons for factions to fight each other. Important objectives like the last emp keep or scrolls organically create large fights. Changing that (see A) requires redesigning Cyrodiil completely.

Or, you know, ZOS could just fix the known performance issues that crop up whenever a bunch of PVPers want to fight in the same spot over an important objective exactly as Cyrodiil is intended...

(Who am I kidding? Its taken them 2 years to seriously tackle the known performance issues that happen when too many PVEers all want to queue for dungeons at the same time!)

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · July 2019

technohic wrote: »

Truth be told, all do it and
1. EP is army of the potato who truly does orchestrate faction stack and the perception is full of bad outside of like Drac, Animosity, etc

2. DC is is a salty PUG faction that will stack but not siege keeps, allowing the enemy to respawn and farm them outside a few guilds

3. AD is the whiner faction who'd rather sneak and attack without resistance. Simply that. Everyone is out to get them.

ol_BANK_lo · July 2019

cairo_x wrote: »

It is clear by now that ESO and PvP are not working that smoothly. The constant crash is pulling people away from the game. But what's most sadly is the fact that in NA CP campaign eh EP and DC faction stacking against AD is dropping several players from areas. I believe the crashes are random, but when you have two factions against one, even if the numbers are equally disconnected you still have two factions against 1. And in my honest opinion this is a really... REALLY poor way to win a campaign.

???

The "Green Alliance" is infamous on Xbox NA. Often times I will have AD and DC jointly kill me and then not fight each other...too often to just be friends.

ol_BANK_lo · July 2019

technohic wrote: »

Truth be told, all do it and
1. EP is army of the potato who truly does orchestrate faction stack and the perception is full of bad outside of like Drac, Animosity, etc

2. DC is is a salty PUG faction that will stack but not siege keeps, allowing the enemy to respawn and farm them outside a few guilds

3. AD is the whiner faction who'd rather sneak and attack without resistance. Simply that. Everyone is out to get them.

Hmmm,

on Xbox NA I would say

1. EP is full of PvErs that don't know what seige is
2. DC is full of small scalers who just want to f**k with you such as nightblade mania
3. AD spends most of its time running across the entire map to take one odd keep or outpost nowhere near anything else they own

ZonasArch · July 2019

vamp_emily wrote: »

Just kind of curious what you think about AD. Crowning a fake emp and TRYING to take all of DC/EP scrolls when nobody was on. Do you think that is a poor way to winning a campaign?

Whose fault is that? Let me see... On 7 days it's fully on faction jumpers! Faction lock is lovely and prevents this, but also requires that people from a faction actually care about defending their posts, aka, winning.

Imryll · July 2019

Durham wrote: »

Stacking period is garbage gameplay. That lags the servers to the point of crashes and bugs. When you have groups of 24 running around in balls latency/lag skyrockets. Everyone else that is playing suffers. The game becomes unplayable. BUGS start poping up everywhere, for example doors no longer work.. They run around CCing knowing that CC break does not work in heavy latency. They get even more easy kills due to the Lag they create.

How many rank 50 players have you ran into and just demolished? There are ton of these guys. Im sorry but to get to Rank 50 in PVP you should have aquired some skill. But playing in these groups usually hurts you more then helps you.

These players have done more to destroy an awsome PVP game then any exploiting player. People come into PVP and experience the lag and quickly say "THIS IS HORRID HOW DO YOU PEOPLE PLAY IN THIS?"

In the end ZOS has done things to fight this stlye but they will never destroy because of the basic design of healing and AOE.

It's the basic design of AvAvA siege warfare. Organization wins campaigns. The problem is inadequate infrastructure to support their design.

Also, if you're faction stacking, you're leaving something undefended.

Stormshaper · July 2019

Solution is simple, whittle the factions down to just two. Combine DC & EP and call them DP or EC and have it AD v DP (EC)...then it would at least be fair fight...

Kagukan · July 2019

Currently on PC NA CP 30 day AD is leading with a few days left. Seems logical EP and DC would push AD. Same could be said if things were different. Say EP was leading the campaign. It would be wise of AD and DC to push EP.

boundsy88 · July 2019

AD deserve everything they get. They pop lock zerg the map during aussie prime time while EP has 1 bar and DC 2 Bar. Its one of the saddest things ive ever seen while playing this game. ive seen it before but never this extreme. They deserve to get pushed to their gates like they do once the population evens out.

akray21 · July 2019

Last night was so bad. I had spent 45 minutes making a new build, waiting in queue for another 10, and ended up leaving after 10 minutes because the lag made it unplayable. Skills weren't activating, bar swap wasn't working, I couldn't even fight someone 1v1 away from the zergs.