Lost my way again. Just want to have fun again. How to play a sorcerer for fun and not power build.

ShimmerDoll · July 2019

I'm really having trouble finding Queen's Elegance too. I checked a lot of traders.

FrancisCrawford · July 2019

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I'm really having trouble finding Queen's Elegance too. I checked a lot of traders.

I've never seen the point of Elegance.

Well, loooong ago it was a totally different set, with stamina regen, and I farmed it from the Coldharbour vampires so that I'd be able to block longer when I fought Molag Bal. But we were all much younger then.

ShimmerDoll · July 2019

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I'm really having trouble finding Queen's Elegance too. I checked a lot of traders.

I've never seen the point of Elegance.

Well, loooong ago it was a totally different set, with stamina regen, and I farmed it from the Coldharbour vampires so that I'd be able to block longer when I fought Molag Bal. But we were all much younger then.

I'm mostly just trying to find two easy to get sets either through crafting or buying of a guild trader that support the non-pet shock based build. I really am not into fire or the pets. I find the combat very awkward and unfun.

Watchdog · July 2019

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I'm really having trouble finding Queen's Elegance too. I checked a lot of traders.

It is called "Elegant" + name of the item. For example "Elegant Sash".

FrancisCrawford wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I'm really having trouble finding Queen's Elegance too. I checked a lot of traders.

I've never seen the point of Elegance.

Well, loooong ago it was a totally different set, with stamina regen, and I farmed it from the Coldharbour vampires so that I'd be able to block longer when I fought Molag Bal. But we were all much younger then.

It adds 20% to your Light/Heavy Attack Damage.

Overload Ultimate is Light/Heavy Attacks.

With +Spell Damage jewellery (at CP 712, it is going to be even a little more at CP 810):

rumple9 · July 2019

Take up fishing

Watchdog · July 2019

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

Julianos mixed with the Queen's set wouldn't be good?

Oh, sorry, I missed your post.

Sure, I think it would do fine. The sets just give different bonuses, and you simply need to find some set that you are able to obtain and that works for you.

Law of Julianos:

2 items: Adds 9-833 Spell Critical
3 items: Adds 12-1096 Maximum Magicka
4 items: Adds 9-833 Spell Critical
5 items: Adds 3-299 Spell Damage

- You may want to use jewellery with +Restore Magicka enchant with Julianos.

Armor of the Seducer:

2 items: Adds 1-129 Magicka Recovery
3 items: Adds 12-1096 Maximum Magicka
4 items: Adds 1-129 Magicka Recovery
5 items: Reduces the cost of your Magicka abilities by 8%.

- You may want to use jewellery with +Spell Damage enchant with Seducer.

Rontabs77 · July 2019

Try this: Multi-purpose Sorc Builds

These builds are just for one character. I just switch equipment, skills and mundus but CP distribution remains intact.

I hope this helps.

ShimmerDoll · July 2019

Thanks for posting all this both @Watchdog and @Rontabs77 I'm really struggling with this game since I came back to it. I pretty much came back max level and just under 500cp and nothing else. So it's been difficult. There's lots of dungeons and some other things I want to do to improve my item and just unlock some other things but it's been an unfriendly environment in-game. You two have helped out a lot just posting builds, very much appreciated. I'll take a look at these and see what I can do with what I have.

RavenSworn · July 2019

Houshiki wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Make it a healer 😏

Or a tank. Despite the common misconception, sorcs can tank too.

I have two sorcs and they are tank and healer hahaha

barney2525 · July 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

Where are you putting your attributes? Which armour? What passives? Which weapon skills, which guild skills, which class abilities? What gear/sets? How have you spent your CP? What is your rotation?

Stam sorc or mag sorc?

Here is a sorc build for solo play:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=109539

Thats.... impressive.

Gonna have to look into this.

mairwen85 · July 2019

barney2525 wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Where are you putting your attributes? Which armour? What passives? Which weapon skills, which guild skills, which class abilities? What gear/sets? How have you spent your CP? What is your rotation?

Stam sorc or mag sorc?

Here is a sorc build for solo play:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=109539

Thats.... impressive.

Gonna have to look into this.

Thank you. But it really isn't that impressive

It's a very simple build that allows for most content, solo WBs, normal dungeons and pretty much any non-vet content -- good enough to get by for most non-groupers, as a starting build.

ShimmerDoll · July 2019

mairwen85 wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Where are you putting your attributes? Which armour? What passives? Which weapon skills, which guild skills, which class abilities? What gear/sets? How have you spent your CP? What is your rotation?

Stam sorc or mag sorc?

Here is a sorc build for solo play:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=109539

Thats.... impressive.

Gonna have to look into this.

Thank you. But it really isn't that impressive It's a very simple build that allows for most content, solo WBs, normal dungeons and pretty much any non-vet content -- good enough to get by for most non-groupers, as a starting build.

vet content is more toxic than a gta public lobby with 10 MK2 Oppressors flying around and more stressful than my RL job, so it's pretty impressive to be able to play the whole game and avoid that aspect of ESO.

Watchdog · July 2019

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Where are you putting your attributes? Which armour? What passives? Which weapon skills, which guild skills, which class abilities? What gear/sets? How have you spent your CP? What is your rotation?

Stam sorc or mag sorc?

Here is a sorc build for solo play:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=109539

Thats.... impressive.

Gonna have to look into this.

Thank you. But it really isn't that impressive It's a very simple build that allows for most content, solo WBs, normal dungeons and pretty much any non-vet content -- good enough to get by for most non-groupers, as a starting build.

vet content is more toxic than a gta public lobby with 10 MK2 Oppressors flying around and more stressful than my RL job, so it's pretty impressive to be able to play the whole game and avoid that aspect of ESO.

Well, with a good guild (read "composed of nice people"), veteran content can be fun.

starkerealm · July 2019

Rontabs77 wrote: »

Try this: Multi-purpose Sorc Builds

These builds are just for one character. I just switch equipment, skills and mundus but CP distribution remains intact.

I hope this helps.

If someone's complaining that Illambris is too much of an ask, I kinda think Za'an may be a bit beyond their reach...

Maxx7410 · July 2019

How much damage you do? my main is a sorcerer no pet and for now is my best dps

ShimmerDoll · July 2019

Watchdog wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

barney2525 wrote: »

mairwen85 wrote: »

Where are you putting your attributes? Which armour? What passives? Which weapon skills, which guild skills, which class abilities? What gear/sets? How have you spent your CP? What is your rotation?

Stam sorc or mag sorc?

Here is a sorc build for solo play:
https://en.m.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=109539

Thats.... impressive.

Gonna have to look into this.

Thank you. But it really isn't that impressive It's a very simple build that allows for most content, solo WBs, normal dungeons and pretty much any non-vet content -- good enough to get by for most non-groupers, as a starting build.

vet content is more toxic than a gta public lobby with 10 MK2 Oppressors flying around and more stressful than my RL job, so it's pretty impressive to be able to play the whole game and avoid that aspect of ESO.

Well, with a good guild (read "composed of nice people"), veteran content can be fun.

I have never found one and it takes a lot of energy to find that, especially with so much going on in life, that gaming is a hobby. I wish it was easier. A few I thought were good mostly played with the new people once a day for years (across 4 guilds) that came across as a 'take the kids to a theme park' feel, but they all mostly played in a small inner circle group when not doing community service (that's what it felt like). I've especially seen that issue in ESO more than quite a few other games. Of course, I made some friends out of the other people in those guilds that weren't part of said inner circles but they all quit playing sometime after I did in 2017.

starkerealm wrote: »

Rontabs77 wrote: »

Try this: Multi-purpose Sorc Builds

These builds are just for one character. I just switch equipment, skills and mundus but CP distribution remains intact.

I hope this helps.

If someone's complaining that Illambris is too much of an ask, I kinda think Za'an may be a bit beyond their reach...

It's not a complaint, it's just not possible. I can't magically do more DPS than I can do to satisfy some people running things. I'm an awesome player in games of real skill (mostly shooters, driving or action games) but heavily item-based games that obviously affect the performance of your character if you have the good items, it's much more difficult. I can only do what I can do. The level of meanness I see in this game and a lot of times not even directed at me but someone else playing within the group is terrible. I have recorded enough to have a huge amount of content for a youtube channel for probably 2 videos a day for 15 months. It's some really crazy stuff I should do something with. I rather the devs see it than a Twitter audience but I don't think the devs of this game care.

starkerealm · July 2019

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

It's not a complaint, it's just not possible. I can't magically do more DPS than I can do to satisfy some people running things.

Then use stam.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I'm an awesome player in games of real skill (mostly shooters, driving or action games) but heavily item-based games that obviously affect the performance of your character if you have the good items, it's much more difficult.

So, you can perform well in games that focus on skill, like ESO. But, you can't perform well in ESO because you've convinced yourself that it's about gear, which, it's really not.

ESO is not a gear dependent game. It helps, but, the actual process for getting better DPS is working on your rotation, and that is (almost) always agnostic to your gear.

Learn to DPS. Learn your rotation. And don't really worry about the other stuff because that will just help you perform better once you're already competent. The irony is, you really can't kludge your way through content on your gear. You need to know what you're doing. At that point, having sub-standard gear is a minor inconvenience.

If ESO was a gear dependent game, then @Gandork wouldn't have a naked run of vMA. (I think it was technically Broom and Bucket, because you do need to have a weapon slotted for some abilities to work.)

Also, Vet Crypt of Hearts 1 is not hard. I mean that. If you're having issues with it, then you have a long way to go. But it is not difficult content.

Where you see people saying, "no, you can't come along," are vet trials (which are 12 man content), vet DLC dungeons, and elitists who don't know what they're doing anyway.

ESO is a skill based game. Ironically more than some shooters (anything in the Looter Shooter sub-genre), and much more than most driving games.

ShimmerDoll · July 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

It's not a complaint, it's just not possible. I can't magically do more DPS than I can do to satisfy some people running things.

Then use stam.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I'm an awesome player in games of real skill (mostly shooters, driving or action games) but heavily item-based games that obviously affect the performance of your character if you have the good items, it's much more difficult.

So, you can perform well in games that focus on skill, like ESO. But, you can't perform well in ESO because you've convinced yourself that it's about gear, which, it's really not.

ESO is not a gear dependent game. It helps, but, the actual process for getting better DPS is working on your rotation, and that is (almost) always agnostic to your gear.

Learn to DPS. Learn your rotation. And don't really worry about the other stuff because that will just help you perform better once you're already competent. The irony is, you really can't kludge your way through content on your gear. You need to know what you're doing. At that point, having sub-standard gear is a minor inconvenience.

If ESO was a gear dependent game, then @Gandork wouldn't have a naked run of vMA. (I think it was technically Broom and Bucket, because you do need to have a weapon slotted for some abilities to work.)

Also, Vet Crypt of Hearts 1 is not hard. I mean that. If you're having issues with it, then you have a long way to go. But it is not difficult content.

Where you see people saying, "no, you can't come along," are vet trials (which are 12 man content), vet DLC dungeons, and elitists who don't know what they're doing anyway.

ESO is a skill based game. Ironically more than some shooters (anything in the Looter Shooter sub-genre), and much more than most driving games.

I'm not really into Stamina builds, I just don't like the weapons that much either or find the skills interesting, which is my personal preference. Besides, when I used the word magically, I meant I can't wave a wand and like magic do more DPS than I can. I know the rotation matters but I do notice when I improve some gear, things get better. I still think competitive fps games and actually, a huge list of other games are FAR more skillful than ESO though. I wouldn't put ESO even on the radar. I don't really feel challenged by MMOs or that engaged and when it comes to ESO specifically it's more a fun distraction sometimes that I enjoy for the world itself and some of the other things.

If you look at my original post in this thread a lot of my problem was I am bored with the typical Sorcerer build and don't enjoy using some of those skills, so I was looking for an alternative. I have to enjoy what I am playing to want to play the game. The builds I was trying on Alcast and some other sites just didn't feel fun or fulfilling to me and I have tested them all. I'm happy there are options and I'm in the process of finding something that works for me that actually is enjoyable. It wasn't me complaining about llimbis either or whatever it is, I was just talking about builds, skills, and trials.

starkerealm · July 2019

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

...when I used the word magically...

I understood what you meant.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

...but I do notice when I improve some gear, things get better.

Which is what I said. Gear helps improve your DPS. However, it is not necessary. It entirely possible to get a functional build running cheaply off of crafted gear. (With Agility or Willpower jewelry, because those are cheaper to collect than crafted jewelry.)

However, gear does not gate your overall ability in the game. If you can't clear a piece of content, that's on you, not on your gear.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still think competitive fps games and actually, a huge list of other games are FAR more skillful than ESO though. I wouldn't put ESO even on the radar. I don't really feel challenged by MMOs or that engaged and when it comes to ESO specifically it's more a fun distraction sometimes that I enjoy for the world itself and some of the other things.

If you've made the decision, ahead of time, to look at your failure to clear content in ESO as a gear issue, then it's unsurprising you've stepped back and complained about how, "there's no skill in this at all."

The irony here is that one of your premier examples of, "skill based games," were driving games. As a genre, that is one of the most upgrade centric. Go ahead, tell me how your Honda Civic can outperform a Maserati.

You also didn't specify competitive FPSs, though that leads to an entire conversation about the current competitive crop of FPSs, and the disturbing creep of P2W into that genre.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

If you look at my original post in this thread a lot of my problem was I am bored with the typical Sorcerer build and don't enjoy using some of those skills, so I was looking for an alternative.

And this is where I know you do not know what you're talking about. Even, just, restricting ourselves to DPS, there are three dominant Sorc archetypes for builds: Pets, Lightning, and Stam. Without going back and double checking, I'm pretty sure other people have pointed that out. This is without even considering theme builds which, yes, those do work, if you understand how builds work in ESO.

So, if the purpose of this thread was to look for alternatives, you had that pointed out to you. If this was to blame gear progression because you didn't want to have to learn to play, then there's no real purpose to your argument, except an appeal for false sympathy.

Ecstatica · July 2019

Xynodes "Easy Sorc" build (https://www.xynodegaming.com/easysorc) is hands down the most fun build I've ever used in ESO.

You can solo pretty much all soloable content, and works like a charm in vMA. It's far from meta, and you won't be hitting top tier DPS, but you should be able to get 30-35k from it without really trying too hard.

ShimmerDoll · July 2019

starkerealm wrote: »

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

...when I used the word magically...

I understood what you meant.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

...but I do notice when I improve some gear, things get better.

Which is what I said. Gear helps improve your DPS. However, it is not necessary. It entirely possible to get a functional build running cheaply off of crafted gear. (With Agility or Willpower jewelry, because those are cheaper to collect than crafted jewelry.)

However, gear does not gate your overall ability in the game. If you can't clear a piece of content, that's on you, not on your gear.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

I still think competitive fps games and actually, a huge list of other games are FAR more skillful than ESO though. I wouldn't put ESO even on the radar. I don't really feel challenged by MMOs or that engaged and when it comes to ESO specifically it's more a fun distraction sometimes that I enjoy for the world itself and some of the other things.

If you've made the decision, ahead of time, to look at your failure to clear content in ESO as a gear issue, then it's unsurprising you've stepped back and complained about how, "there's no skill in this at all."

The irony here is that one of your premier examples of, "skill based games," were driving games. As a genre, that is one of the most upgrade centric. Go ahead, tell me how your Honda Civic can outperform a Maserati.

You also didn't specify competitive FPSs, though that leads to an entire conversation about the current competitive crop of FPSs, and the disturbing creep of P2W into that genre.

ShimmerDoll wrote: »

If you look at my original post in this thread a lot of my problem was I am bored with the typical Sorcerer build and don't enjoy using some of those skills, so I was looking for an alternative.

And this is where I know you do not know what you're talking about. Even, just, restricting ourselves to DPS, there are three dominant Sorc archetypes for builds: Pets, Lightning, and Stam. Without going back and double checking, I'm pretty sure other people have pointed that out. This is without even considering theme builds which, yes, those do work, if you understand how builds work in ESO.

So, if the purpose of this thread was to look for alternatives, you had that pointed out to you. If this was to blame gear progression because you didn't want to have to learn to play, then there's no real purpose to your argument, except an appeal for false sympathy.

You're still way off. I know how to play ESO. I just don't like certain skills themselves. I find them boring or not enjoyable in function and I don't want to use them and I like finding options, but not theme rp builds. I quit from 2017 to about a week and a half ago. Tried all the popular builds but there are some skills I just don't enjoy using.

You're wrong about competitive fps, completely wrong. None I personally play are pay to win. You won't ever convince me ESO is more skillful than the other games I enjoy so stop trying so hard. I like ESO, the very game you're defending but I didn't install it again and come back because I felt I needed to play something that took more skill or something than what I was already playing. I just wanted my Elder Scrolls fix, but I want to be effective too but with adjustments to at least give me the option to use the skills I enjoy. Back when I played when the build I used was the big thing (this is in 2017), I was doing all the content fine, 98% of it all completed. Then I came back just recently and find a lot of nerfs to various things etc you know how it is with this game and nerfs. I just came to the forums to see what options might work and what other people are doing besides the same old youtube builders. I also didn't make this thread. I just read some things in it that sounded similar but it's not verbatim or anything.

The Regara or Jesko outperform all those cars. I hope you don't go into a defense about the two lower-end cars you mentioned.

starkerealm · July 2019

Ecstatica wrote: »

Xynodes "Easy Sorc" build (https://www.xynodegaming.com/easysorc) is hands down the most fun build I've ever used in ESO.

You can solo pretty much all soloable content, and works like a charm in vMA. It's far from meta, and you won't be hitting top tier DPS, but you should be able to get 30-35k from it without really trying too hard.

IIRC, on a standard six-mil dummy, @xynode pulls around 45-50k on the Easy Sorc. Then again, he is a god tier DPS, so he's got that edge going in.