Harmony jewellery trait a blight on PVP

Fawn4287 · July 2019

The trait is ridiculously over powered and over performing when synergising in PVP with balorgh. Between Nova hitting 30K+ and Necros being able to synergise their own ability with avid boneyard after using the already overpowered colossus ultimate, giving necros another game breaking bombing set up. The trait is not even used on PVE and should just be removed or nerfed in to the ground at this stage as its only leads the way for more group cheese ultimate synergies.

Qbiken · July 2019

Actually one of the more balanced traits there is actually.

You sacrifice max stats or resistance in order to focus around synergies and group play. The trait is fine as it is.

Neloth · July 2019

I have 2 good advice for you:

1) don't stand in red (otherwise I don't know how you are getting killed by a giant colossus smashing the ground and very obvious ground dot)

2) if your zerg is so large that you can't see red or other visual effects around you - stop zerging

yw

cmvet · July 2019

And Harmony is used by tanks in PVE content.... In fact it is very useful as a tank.

starlizard70ub17_ESO · July 2019

cmvet wrote: »

And Harmony is used by tanks in PVE content.... In fact it is very useful as a tank.

Unfortunately a few PvPers don't realize there are other, non PvP ways to play the game.

UntilValhalla13 · July 2019

It's super nice in VCR execute.

usmcjdking · July 2019

Probably a bit overtuned.

TimeDazzler · July 2019

It is ridiculously overpowered, but people think going up to a glowing ball and pressing “x” for 30k+ instant damage is skilled gameplay because they sacrificed 2.6k max stat lmao. Just like everything else it was a tool for small scale that large scale ball groups have adapted. If you are in a group larger than 10 the damage should begin to scale down or something. Then again pvp groups should be limited to 12 similar to pve but that’s a whole other issue.

KingExecration · July 2019

Cries wrote: »

It is ridiculously overpowered, but people think going up to a glowing ball and pressing “x” for 30k+ instant damage is skilled gameplay because they sacrificed 2.6k max stat lmao. Just like everything else it was a tool for small scale that large scale ball groups have adapted. If you are in a group larger than 10 the damage should begin to scale down or something. Then again pvp groups should be limited to 12 similar to pve but that’s a whole other issue.

I agree groups should be maxed at 12. But the idea with people rolling around as tanks and balling up is a result of the harmony nova combo. It is fully needed to take some groups down who has more healers than I have toes. Gives healers a great role, provides more group coordinators, gear can’t be thrown on and needs to be worked with others. I could continue but I think it’s cool for the game pvpers can optimize like trial groups like that. Can’t speak on necro self synergy bc I don’t play it.

frostz417 · July 2019

If you cry about harmony you’re just a zergling who gets farmed

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

Harmony setups require skill to use effectively. The problem is stacks of "healers" holding block, spamming one button, and being rewarded for it.

Fawn4287 · July 2019

Wow so jewellery trait for maybe a PVE tank is worth allowing the entirety of the goliath bash builds to transition to an even more over powered combination of over tuned 2 skill killing machines. Sounds like the PVE kids are unaware theres more ways to play than just spamming a rotation at a stand still target.

Fawn4287 · July 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

If you cry about harmony you’re just a zergling who gets farmed

Avid boneyard can be be self synergised, Ive literally been bombed by it in 1v1s and 2v2s for a 20k boneyard and 9.8k for 1 tick of colossal. Some of us don’t like to play PVP like its a trial in a large group with heal/cleanse bots playing half them game for them

SupremeRissole · July 2019

Balanced

Its a tool for outnumbered small scale groups to combat large zergs, it rewards group coordination and setup, it punishes zerglings stacking in a small group. It's unique, a different flavour to the game.

Fawn4287 · July 2019

SupremeRissole wrote: »

Balanced

Its a tool for outnumbered small scale groups to combat large zergs, it rewards group coordination and setup, it punishes zerglings stacking in a small group. It's unique, a different flavour to the game.

Thats what the people playing the Goliath Bash build were saying

TheYKcid · July 2019

Fawn4287 wrote: »

SupremeRissole wrote: »

Balanced

Its a tool for outnumbered small scale groups to combat large zergs, it rewards group coordination and setup, it punishes zerglings stacking in a small group. It's unique, a different flavour to the game.

Thats what the people playing the Goliath Bash build were saying

Precisely lol. Different cheese, same excuse.

Neloth · July 2019

Fawn4287 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

If you cry about harmony you’re just a zergling who gets farmed

Avid boneyard can be be self synergised, Ive literally been bombed by it in 1v1s and 2v2s for a 20k boneyard and 9.8k for 1 tick of colossal. Some of us don’t like to play PVP like its a trial in a large group with heal/cleanse bots playing half them game for them

Have you tried self synergising it?

First, it's very clunky and hard to land, and thus necromancer has to spend 90% of his time just trying to position it right. While he's doing it, feel free to kill him.

Second, it has 20 second cooldown, plus around 10-20+ more for an ult (colossus is actually an expensive one, when you don't have 100500 corpses around). After necromancer tried to burst you, feel free to kill him in next 30-40 seconds. It's like killing magblade bomber, who has no cloak to run away (not that hard). In addition, necromancer has no pressure on you to fight back - his blasbones are bugged, he has no dots, his spammable is trash, so it's like fighting a target dummy, which tries to bite you back every 30-40 seconds.

Third, it has very short range. 1 dodge - and you are guarded out of both colossus and avid synergy, while his 30+ seconds cooldown burst is wasted. In addition, necromancer doesn't have a good undodgable stun, so he can't hit you with it properly.

I literally died to in 1vs1only two times (when I also was on magicka necromancer, but different build), and had no idea that this synergy thing exists. After that we 2vs2ed and 2vsXed that necromancer easily.

Ahlteffour · July 2019

Trait is fine. Adapt your gameplay and figure it out.

Or.....

Lets just nerf it all. That's a better idea.

frostz417 · July 2019

Fawn4287 wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

If you cry about harmony you’re just a zergling who gets farmed

Avid boneyard can be be self synergised, Ive literally been bombed by it in 1v1s and 2v2s for a 20k boneyard and 9.8k for 1 tick of colossal. Some of us don’t like to play PVP like its a trial in a large group with heal/cleanse bots playing half them game for them

L2p

TrinityBreaker · July 2019

People like you, OP, is the reason why this game is being dumbes down. L2P.

ChunkyCat · July 2019

If you’re talking about CP Cyrodiil PvP, then everything is over performing.

Sandman929 · July 2019

It's a unique trait utilizing a gameplay mechanic that I think is undervalued since it rewards teamwork. The self activated synergy was maybe a bad idea

cmvet · July 2019

Sandman929 wrote: »

It's a unique trait utilizing a gameplay mechanic that I think is undervalued since it rewards teamwork. The self activated synergy was maybe a bad idea

That last part is very true. You should never be able to activate your own synergy.

Wing · July 2019

I had no problem with harmony.

not one, even the ult and synergize for kill, its usually obvious.

until I died to a Necro self synergy that did over 30k.

there was nothing I could do to avoid it, it was "use skill, press synergy, dead" I had no reaction, no clue, just dead and a "wtf was that?!"

now I think it is in fact dumb.

universal_wrath · July 2019

I think the trait is fairly balanced. Heavliy focused on team play for both pve and pvp. If you get in random groups, rarely see anyone uses or activiate synegy skills, whether it's nova, cleanse, shards...etc. you can have someone uses nova, but teamates don't activate the synrygy for unknown reason. Even cleanse synergy is not used when played with random people.

Fawn4287 · July 2019

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

People like you, OP, is the reason why this game is being dumbes down. L2P.

>calls request for nerf to jewellery trait that allows a necro tank to self synergise their own ability causing an 30k damage AOE insta kill “dumbing the game down”

By that standard Id say you think heavy armour damage, goliath bash build and bleeds are all helping to raise the skill gap?

SoLooney · July 2019

Nah, my tank loves getting fat resource synergies from orbs and massive healing from blood altars

You're the first I heard to complain about harmony, it is great as it is

VaranisArano · July 2019

Cyrodiil PVP (and BGS to a lesser extent) is designed for team play. Its not that you can't do solo PVP, but Cyropdiil was originally intended for groups of 8 to 24 players (now 2 to 24) and that really shows with how organized groups of any size are able to dominate the battlefields.

Harmony is exactly the sort of trait that rewards organized team gameplay, so it should be no surprised that its excellent in Cyrodiil PVP.