Bleed is physical DoT. Nothing more.

Bleed should have a secondary effective. Not sure what it could be though.

Oh where is this bleeding enchantment?
Bleeding is not like fire/ice/shock or poison/disease.

Bleeds are not a type of damage unlike all all other "elements".

well, since bleed isnt the status effect of physical dmg (which it could be actually, but it's far too late for this) maybe physical dmg themselves could finally have a status effect bound to it? some 4sec-ish minor debuff

here is a short-list of available minors debuffs:

minor mangle
minor maim
minor fracture


thinknig a bit deeper made me realize that magic dmg dont have "status" effect neither.

i think minor breach would fit greatly to it, alongside with minor fracture for physical dmg. iirc those two debuffs are only available from power of the light (stamplar skill) for both minor breach/fracture, focused aim (minor fracture only), handmade poisons and probably a few unused sets which makes those debuff extremly rare.

what about it?

bleed dots are way stronger than the secondary dots of fire/shock/ice if I recall correctly. If this is the case, a secondary effect for bleeds would be way too overtuned

susmitds wrote: »

Jeezye wrote: »

bleed dots are way stronger than the secondary dots of fire/shock/ice if I recall correctly. If this is the case, a secondary effect for bleeds would be way too overtuned

@Jeezye They changed that this patch and made them normal DoTs.

yes but still they tick for way higher damage and are roughly buffed to take into account the resistances. I didnt go on pts to test them but Im pretty convinced the damage doesnt even closely compare to the elemtal dots

Not every damage type applies status effects. Bleeds are the physical equivalent to magic damage DoTs - and the latter don't have a side effect either.

Bleeding should cause a status effect for Minor Infection.

While suffering from Minor Infection, you become sluggish and your movement speed is reduced by 5(10?)%. Additionally this effect will spread to any ally in the area already bleeding.

Germs are bad!

Magic damage has direct damage and a DoT. (see Inner Fire + Synergy)
Physical damage has direct damage and a DoT (see trap beast) ---- This is not a bleed! It's a physical DoT!

Because bleeding has changed (mitigation accounted) there either needs to be a new direct damage equivalent which is HIGHLY unlikely because it doesn't make sense and you'd have to throw it on random abilities that already exist OR...
Bleeding should take the place of the secondary effect proc'd off Physical damage.

Now you must be thinking... "What's the difference between this and poison"? Nothing! The differences will be in what sets do with each effect (Dro'zakar's Claws) or what passive abilities do (Combustion) with each effect. Already right there you have 2 identities. One is about regen and the other is about proc'd damage increases. Or let bleeds be the only secondary that stacks on itself with a separate timer for each stack and significantly less damage.

If you do this ZOS, just make Axes apply a similar effect to charged trait but specifically for bleeding, and preferably by a largish margin. You'd want to make bleed chance lower if it stacks.

Also to keep Dro'zakar's Claws set viable you could change it to give like 25 WD whenever bleed procs (still tied WD increase per enemy or else Cleave/Carve would be insane). Abilities that already give bleed could work like the Snipe morph Lethal Arrow where they give the poison effect 100% of the time. If you want to remove the chance for bleeding to proc off an ability you could change the damage type to poison, disease, or state it can not bleed, or make a mechanic to abilities that inhibits bleeding (since so many abilities do physical damage).

Btw I love the flavor where vampires have nothing bleed damage related...

Here is how I believe ESO is now:

(On Live servers bleed's secondary could be considered its 100% physical penetration, but now it's not so I left it N/A.)

Here is one possibility:


Here is the one I also like:


I personally think Bleed needs it's own damage type as converting bleed to a physical status effect
just proves magicka statuses are WAY more useful. Giving pierce/bleed a debuff secondary effect instead of bleed being the secondary effect is IMO much better.

Firstmep wrote: »

On the pts bleeds are physical dots.
Wheter you like it or not is irrelevant.
Magicka has magic dmg which doesnt have a status effect , stamina has pyhsical which doesnt have a status effect.
Yes mag has 1 extra status effect overall, so what.
Not everything in the game has to be perfectly equal on stam/mag side.

ZOS is currently trying to make everything equal, but this thing should be ignored then?
When zenimax adjusted the dual wield glyphs, they already forgot that you need more alloys to make your weapons gold.
Now they forgot the secondary effect, so what next?

If you want to adjust everything, then please do it correct and consequent! Otherwise you will get a new unbalance in the future!

Suggestion 1 doesn’t make sense as magic damage also has no status effect. Bleeds should have its own status effect, minor fracture seems fine compared to minor main/vulnerability for elemental status effects