A request to allow social fast travel into outlaw refuges.

Cathexis · July 2019

Just posting this up hoping someone on the ZoS side of things might notice this post.

I have been using a few of the add-ons lately that allow for a much more seamless use of the fast travel functions, and I have found they are really great add-ons. I've also been developing more of an interest in maybe trying a hand at building add-ons, and these add-ons had briefly inspired me. I think one of of the best parts of this game is traveling and experiencing different locales, as there are some beautiful scenes, and such a wide variety you experience just traveling and playing the game.

One of the more hidden elements that I really love is the variety you get in different outlaw refuges. I'm almost certain that I had inadvertently fast traveled into a refuge or two in the distant past (maybe I bugged into them though), and as I enjoy the thief aspects of the game, I often need to access fences. It occurred to me that it would be really cool to build an add-on that would allow players to fast travel via the social system to a randomly selected Outlaw Refuge (maybe with a sub-menu for specific ones), because there are so many unique ones to experience. And while these are labelled distinct from zones in the game's social systems, it does not seem you can fast travel to them anymore (or maybe you just never could, idk..regardless...).

I just want to throw out my hope to see this function enabled, so that players might one day be able to experience the outlaw refuges lifestyle more fully. So many refuges look really awesome, like Orsinium, Lilmoth, Sentinel, Craglorn, Eldenroot, Alinor and Windhelm... I love these refuges but you can only see them if you travel to them, so more often than not you are only traveling to the most convenient one. Allowing fast travel would open up the potential to get a fresh experience every time you need an Outlaw Refuge.

darthgummibear_ESO · July 2019

Being able to fast travel directly to the refuge would undermine the entire point of having to avoid the law to get there.

Cathexis · July 2019

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

Being able to fast travel directly to the refuge would undermine the entire point of having to avoid the law to get there.

@darthgummibear_ESO while I see the perspective you are saying, I think maybe 1/100 times I'm heading to a refuge as the end point with a bounty. Also you can't fast travel to a player in combat, you can fast travel anyway with a bounty, and you can also completely circumvent guards by fast traveling to a location with a refuge just outside of a city near a wayshrine anyway (eg Gold Coast).

So really, avoiding the law as a practical reason to disable this function is not really justifiable. Bounty mechanics don't really get in the way regardless of if you can or can't fast travel to them outside of combat. The function of a refuge also doesn't offer any real tangible benefit when you have a bounty that justifies making them more challenging to get to to avoid the bounty system consequences.

yodased · July 2019

Not everyone has thieves guild or eso+, these areas are restricted to those players. Creating sliding scales of who you can port to depending on their level of purchase would be more database pings we don't need.

Cathexis · July 2019

yodased wrote: »

Not everyone has thieves guild or eso+, these areas are restricted to those players. Creating sliding scales of who you can port to depending on their level of purchase would be more database pings we don't need.

The interface already makes the distinction between players who are in a zone and players who are in a refuge, and if you are traveling somewhere anyway, it will be the same number of database pings to get to that location. In fact it technically requires more, since you would have to go to one (or more) open world locations via wayshrine before rezoning into the local refuge.

This would actually reduce the number of requests server side, and reduce the number of load screens client side. So in that regard it is actually a win win, and makes travel more seamless. (Which, as a related note is also why I think they should implement zoning to the front door of player housing, just outside, as a zoning option, so when you want to use a house as a way of accessing nearby amenities, you avoid an extra load screen).

Also my understanding is that refuges are generally not restricted by dlc access; legerdemain was implemented into the base game if I'm not mistaken.

If you mean convenient refuges, there are still a lot of convenient refuges in the base game as well.

yodased · July 2019

I don't know if the outlaw refuges are included in the base game, i haven't had the base game without thieves guild since the thieves guild came out, so if they are available to everyone in every location, then its not a big deal.

But, if you can't enter the refuge without thieves guild that just makes another check on the person who wants to travel to see if they have the permissions to travel to someone.

It wasn't about the distinction between zone/refuge, just if it was refuge permission on/off

Cathexis · July 2019

yodased wrote: »

I don't know if the outlaw refuges are included in the base game, i haven't had the base game without thieves guild since the thieves guild came out, so if they are available to everyone in every location, then its not a big deal.

But, if you can't enter the refuge without thieves guild that just makes another check on the person who wants to travel to see if they have the permissions to travel to someone.

It wasn't about the distinction between zone/refuge, just if it was refuge permission on/off

Yes well I am not 100% certain but I recall being able to enter them long before I purchased TG. Zones are already blocked by dlc anyway in the check process.