IMPORTANT: LIVING DARK MAGPLAR TELLS ME LD TOO OP...TEST WITH YOUR FRIENDS!! PTS
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LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭Anyone test the new dragon poison on it? 6s of 4k health removed = negate this spell
Apparently nobody goes on to pts and test things...otherwise we wouldn't have people here giving out theory as to how to do things when the server is up and we can get real data....
Right now I am looking for real data...theory as to how to beat something doesn't matter....If that was the case, we wouldn't have test servers in the first place...0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Anyone test the new dragon poison on it? 6s of 4k health removed = negate this spell
Apparently nobody goes on to pts and test things...otherwise we wouldn't have people here giving out theory as to how to do things when the server is up and we can get real data....
Right now I am looking for real data...theory as to how to beat something doesn't matter....If that was the case, we wouldn't have test servers in the first place...
I'm on vacation so I can't test. I'm watching duels on twitch every now and then and there are definitely moments the Templar drops to 10% health. And there are moments the Templar has no mag either.
In your video you don't have potl slotted, you don't cc on cooldown, your target isn't casting anything so their mag pool didn't drained, and there's no defile against 2 heals.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Don't tell me to use dawnbreaker.. I don't follow the crap meta like yourself...I make it...
Not if you can't kill someone you don't - Maybe try what you consider meta and see how you get on instead?
I can run a build with impulse, soul trap and literally kill nobody, does that prove anything?
Did that build/skill setup kill Magplars before the patch/PTS? I doubt it..
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LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭Don't tell me to use dawnbreaker.. I don't follow the crap meta like yourself...I make it...
Not if you can't kill someone you don't - Maybe try what you consider meta and see how you get on instead?
I can run a build with impulse, soul trap and literally kill nobody, does that prove anything?
Did that build/skill setup kill Magplars before the patch/PTS? I doubt it..
Go on to pts and test....otherwise rotation, what you will do, what 90% of others do, your criticisms, from your experience in live servers don't mean anything... the servers are up... GOOOOOOOOOO0 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭Anyone test the new dragon poison on it? 6s of 4k health removed = negate this spell
Apparently nobody goes on to pts and test things...otherwise we wouldn't have people here giving out theory as to how to do things when the server is up and we can get real data....
Right now I am looking for real data...theory as to how to beat something doesn't matter....If that was the case, we wouldn't have test servers in the first place...
I'm on vacation so I can't test. I'm watching duels on twitch every now and then and there are definitely moments the Templar drops to 10% health. And there are moments the Templar has no mag either.
In your video you don't have potl slotted, you don't cc on cooldown, your target isn't casting anything so their mag pool didn't drained, and there's no defile against 2 heals.
Like I said your theory means nothing in the new changes...your input is of no use. I play differently, get over it...come back here when you finish your vacation challenge me on live or on pts (not because of pride, as a proof that other playstyles are legit in pvp other than the homogenised play you copy from other's streams) ...turn off your internet and enjoy the outdoors..Edited by LuxLunae on July 11, 2019 12:38PM0 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭Maybe you're doing like 200 dmg because you don't enable dmg on screen, that's why you lost
500 weapon dmg isn't enough you now ? Ah yeah you said you were a noob.0 -
Aurielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OP, you’re getting awfully hung up on the criticism you’re receiving in this thread for the original video you posted. You start out by admitting you’re not the best and wanting the “elites” to test it out, then you claim that you make the meta and petulantly ask everyone who has given advice in this thread to duel you? With properly-timed stuns and bursts, a magplar can be taken down — yes, even with the new and improved Living Dark. Spamming jabs on someone who has LD up is probably the worst thing you could do. It would be like failing to break free or cleanse Total Dark on live, continuing to deal damage, and then crying about “your OP Templar bubbles killing me when I do damage” (which is literally something I read from someone in BGs many moons ago — dude had no idea he could counter it).
P.S. I’m on console, so no, I can’t duel you on the PTS.2 -
BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Don't tell me to use dawnbreaker.. I don't follow the crap meta like yourself...I make it...
Not if you can't kill someone you don't - Maybe try what you consider meta and see how you get on instead?
I can run a build with impulse, soul trap and literally kill nobody, does that prove anything?
Did that build/skill setup kill Magplars before the patch/PTS? I doubt it..
Go on to pts and test....otherwise rotation, what you will do, what 90% of others do, your criticisms, from your experience in live servers don't mean anything... the servers are up... GOOOOOOOOOOAnyone test the new dragon poison on it? 6s of 4k health removed = negate this spell
Apparently nobody goes on to pts and test things...otherwise we wouldn't have people here giving out theory as to how to do things when the server is up and we can get real data....
Right now I am looking for real data...theory as to how to beat something doesn't matter....If that was the case, we wouldn't have test servers in the first place...
I'm on vacation so I can't test. I'm watching duels on twitch every now and then and there are definitely moments the Templar drops to 10% health. And there are moments the Templar has no mag either.
In your video you don't have potl slotted, you don't cc on cooldown, your target isn't casting anything so their mag pool didn't drained, and there's no defile against 2 heals.
Like I said your theory means nothing in the new changes...your input is of no use. I play differently, get over it...come back here when you finish your vacation challenge me on live or on pts (not because of pride, as a proof that other playstyles are legit in pvp other than the homogenised play you copy from other's streams) ...turn off your internet and enjoy the outdoors..
You asked what was wrong in your initial post and even went as far as telling everyone you're bad at the game, why now you're calling people out for pointing out the obvious issues is beyond me.
For starters, you've just quoted 2 Templars that play completely different builds from one another (if you go to any of the Templar advice threads you'll see a tonne more) and secondly have just assumed we're all one and the same and you're such a unique player. You're not wrong that you're unique; everyone who's replied can see that in the videos clearly, but don't make blind assumptions about people posting.
What's the 90% running?
Go get yourself on this "90%" build, take it to IC and outnumber him 2-3-4v1, have your friend fight back and use resources and post the videos of that as well because right now, what Minno and others have said is bang on, you're not doing enough to even warrant this being a test - Just you vs what's effectively a healbot, I could outheal that on live in triple damage sets and no focus on healing modifiers.
Oh, and turn your sct on and post a video from your friends PoV with healing sct on.
You don't want people to do anything except agree with you.
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578,000 - 36 Minutes 58 Seconds (Top 2 World?)
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ol_BANK_lo✭✭✭✭✭I am here to say I am pretty bad at this game..I don't look at my rotation, counters, etc...So maybe I am making this a huge deal when the top tiers can toss this down quick....
With that said, I could not overcome a Light armor wearing magplar only using living dark + ritural retribution + mutagen...
My stam jabs? they were thrown out the freking window... the crap stam ulit for staam templar? (I refused to be homogenized to only riding on top of dawnbreaker of smiting) tossed out the frecking window(stamplar falls again...).. bleeds? Ritural DOT? Tossed OUT THE WINDOW!!! tossed out the window...
My build had about 5k weapon damage 60% crit... and it is only the build I still am using on live for the most part..
This is where I need YOU elitists to come out and REALLY test this thing and make sure it is changed... I kept saying I would become powerful in this new patch but now I am a simple paperweight of trash...
If this happens to go live, I will delete some of my characters and build altmer templars with the elswyr sets....This way I don't have to worry about sustain and i can keep spamming living dark et al.
I mean really if it goes live I will actually have space in my inventory...because for the first time I can mulch all of my gold weapons and armors based on stamina and toss it out of the window..
I can already see magplar beautifully... for myself... i'd use probably dual wield swords with resto staff and make sure I fight up close and personal.. Living dark is far bettter than ANY templar ulti... it is better than any templar heal....it is better than major protection....
I can get up into peoples faces with light armor... and use a sustain build....
I can run jabs+living dark... and I will NEVER die ... and if i get close to dying...i can hurry up and use resto ult....I would truly be able to 1 V X...for the first time...It's like 7th legion but better...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wjfcng_rEo&feature=youtu.be
EDIT UPDATE: I added this since people said the pvp in the first video was impractical and skilless...I removed my burst damage pvp (auto + hundings) build and go with the one I made day one when I was pissed that ZoS switched the races...the build complements my race 100% and my horrible playstyle and it would probably be only compatible to myself... so there is no need to share it..I like that I can use it in average pvp and average pve..I dub it infinite sustain...although I can lose stam lol...but that's not what kills me with this build..Burst damage kills me...
Executioner is the key to winning against Living Dark...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLEUBAguQMU
We are average players in pvp...we are not the best...in the hands of the best, that thing will be so OP...I don't crunch numbers I just play...
My motto... don't think just attack..
The devs unnecessarily broke this skill. I really want to slap them and wake them up when bring stuff like this out. What do these people think when putting skills like this out? Multiple effects and no counter play. Gj ZOS (high levels of sarcasm). The also need to stop putting out massive amounts of changes at once...even their own Gilliam told them this. By the time people get around to testing everything and giving feedback about their horrible changes, they don't have time to listen or change anything. It will then get addressed somewhere down the road.1 -
ZarkingFrued✭✭✭✭✭
✭That new dark bubble crap is dumb and broken. I'll just 100% refuse to fight any magplar, you can't kill someone who just heals and stays defensive until you go away with your dumb bubble to troll someone else. This is a CLEAR DEPICTION of when ZOS has ZERO concept of how this game plays in pvp .Edited by ZarkingFrued on July 11, 2019 1:46PM0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Don't tell me to use dawnbreaker.. I don't follow the crap meta like yourself...I make it...
Not if you can't kill someone you don't - Maybe try what you consider meta and see how you get on instead?
I can run a build with impulse, soul trap and literally kill nobody, does that prove anything?
Did that build/skill setup kill Magplars before the patch/PTS? I doubt it..
Go on to pts and test....otherwise rotation, what you will do, what 90% of others do, your criticisms, from your experience in live servers don't mean anything... the servers are up... GOOOOOOOOOOAnyone test the new dragon poison on it? 6s of 4k health removed = negate this spell
Apparently nobody goes on to pts and test things...otherwise we wouldn't have people here giving out theory as to how to do things when the server is up and we can get real data....
Right now I am looking for real data...theory as to how to beat something doesn't matter....If that was the case, we wouldn't have test servers in the first place...
I'm on vacation so I can't test. I'm watching duels on twitch every now and then and there are definitely moments the Templar drops to 10% health. And there are moments the Templar has no mag either.
In your video you don't have potl slotted, you don't cc on cooldown, your target isn't casting anything so their mag pool didn't drained, and there's no defile against 2 heals.
Like I said your theory means nothing in the new changes...your input is of no use. I play differently, get over it...come back here when you finish your vacation challenge me on live or on pts (not because of pride, as a proof that other playstyles are legit in pvp other than the homogenised play you copy from other's streams) ...turn off your internet and enjoy the outdoors..
You asked what was wrong in your initial post and even went as far as telling everyone you're bad at the game, why now you're calling people out for pointing out the obvious issues is beyond me.
For starters, you've just quoted 2 Templars that play completely different builds from one another (if you go to any of the Templar advice threads you'll see a tonne more) and secondly have just assumed we're all one and the same and you're such a unique player. You're not wrong that you're unique; everyone who's replied can see that in the videos clearly, but don't make blind assumptions about people posting.
What's the 90% running?
Go get yourself on this "90%" build, take it to IC and outnumber him 2-3-4v1, have your friend fight back and use resources and post the videos of that as well because right now, what Minno and others have said is bang on, you're not doing enough to even warrant this being a test - Just you vs what's effectively a healbot, I could outheal that on live in triple damage sets and no focus on healing modifiers.
Oh, and turn your sct on and post a video from your friends PoV with healing sct on.
You don't want people to do anything except agree with you.
Yea I want to see DMG/healing numbers. That build isn't harming anything running meta. What's the CP allocation? How's your penetration? Spamming jabs isn't going to kill anything and it's a Hallmark of a bad Templar move.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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UppGRAYxDD✭✭✭✭✭
✭OP has 27k stam, doesn’t stun on cooldown, no planned combos... then decides to QQ in CAPS... nothing to see here"Stendarr's mercy be upon you, for the vigil has none to spare."7 -
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✭✭✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OP has 27k stam, doesn’t stun on cooldown, no planned combos... then decides to QQ in CAPS... nothing to see here
Don't need to stun in this situation, the guy isn't burst healing, blocking or moving. Why would he need to stun?
A light armour squishy magplar with no defensive sets is standing there not blocking and just face tanking dps from a stamplar, with bleeds, one of the most dps intensive pvp builds. How is that not a problem.
The guys not blocking, not moving, isn't tanky, doesn't have a defensive set like pirate on. He's just straight up outhealing dmg because of the new OP skill.PS4 EU DC
Current CP : 756+
I have every character level 50, both a magicka and stamina version.
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BNOC✭✭✭✭✭leepalmer95 wrote: »UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OP has 27k stam, doesn’t stun on cooldown, no planned combos... then decides to QQ in CAPS... nothing to see here
Don't need to stun in this situation, the guy isn't burst healing, blocking or moving. Why would he need to stun?
A light armour squishy magplar with no defensive sets is standing there not blocking and just face tanking dps from a stamplar, with bleeds, one of the most dps intensive pvp builds. How is that not a problem.
The guys not blocking, not moving, isn't tanky, doesn't have a defensive set like pirate on. He's just straight up outhealing dmg because of the new OP skill.
35s into the first clip, bubble drops and OP has 2 bleeds up, he lands 3 sweep hits then an la into a set of 4 sweep hits - He does 4k damage to the target and is getting out-healed by ritual.
1:01 into the first fight he's getting out-healed by mutagen and ritual alone.
2:34 into the second fight and OP's out-healing his friends similarly random rotation - Stamplar too strong?
2:45 into the second fight the OP has 3 dots active on his friend and is sweeping away, but is being outhealed by sweeps and a few ticks of ritual/whatever is shielding his friend tiny amounts - He's also then on the back foot and loses the fight to a guy spamming sweeps and a few crescent ticks, all without the guy ever using bubble again.
There's probably more examples in those two clips but these are reasons why it's not a problem - At least, not on this evidence alone.
OP - Get some real testing done, in real simulations and then we can make our minds up. Nobody is saying it's not broke, but the way this is being presented is a nothing more than a joke.
Edited by BNOC on July 11, 2019 3:21PMvMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
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Murador178✭✭✭✭The morph clearly says it only procs on direct dmg BUT it somehow procs on jabs - resulting in 7k tooltip heals every 0.5 sec. So it doesnt proc on normal dots. Imo its clearly a bug - so eclipse in general needs some adjustements. I like the design in general - giving heals on direct damage with a small CD - giving magplar a strong defense when OUTNUMBERED, but the heal seems a bit over the top 7k healing every 0.5 sec with jabs is funny for sure so
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@OP if u want to try to kill ur friend never use jabs when eclipse is up just apply ur dots and try to jab when eclipse isnt up. A normal build wont be able to sustain spamming eclipse.
EDIT: and yes I played vs eclipse and with eclipse on the pts Edited by Murador178 on July 11, 2019 3:46PM0 -
BNOC✭✭✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »The morph clearly says it only procs on direct dmg BUT it somehow procs on jabs - resulting in 7k tooltip heals every 0.5 sec. So it doesnt proc on normal dots. Imo its clearly a bug - so eclipse in general needs some adjustements. I like the design in general - giving heals on direct damage with a small CD - giving magplar a strong defense when OUTNUMBERED, but the heal seems a bit over the top 7k healing every 0.5 sec with jabs is funny for sure so.
@OP if u want to try to kill ur friend never use jabs when eclipse is up just apply ur dots and try to jab when eclipse isnt up. A normal build wont be able to sustain spamming eclipse.
Isn't the first hit of all channels considered direct damage? Cant remember if it was ever changed and not on to check myself. Edit: no it’s not.
Anyway, his friend is a perfect example of what I bolded. When he's actually fighting back, he needs to resto heavy attack very early on. Against multiple targets or for Templars that do full DPS, cleanse etc I doubt this is going to be that sustainable at all.
Fight starts at 2:23 - He's casting multiple resto heavies by 3:09.Edited by BNOC on July 11, 2019 4:51PMvMSA - Magplar - Xbox EU - 15/11/16
578,000 - 36 Minutes 58 Seconds (Top 2 World?)
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569,000 - 40 minutes (350CP, Non optimised runs)0 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Murador178 wrote: »The morph clearly says it only procs on direct dmg BUT it somehow procs on jabs - resulting in 7k tooltip heals every 0.5 sec. So it doesnt proc on normal dots. Imo its clearly a bug - so eclipse in general needs some adjustements. I like the design in general - giving heals on direct damage with a small CD - giving magplar a strong defense when OUTNUMBERED, but the heal seems a bit over the top 7k healing every 0.5 sec with jabs is funny for sure so.
@OP if u want to try to kill ur friend never use jabs when eclipse is up just apply ur dots and try to jab when eclipse isnt up. A normal build wont be able to sustain spamming eclipse.
Isn't the first hit of all channels considered direct damage? Cant remember if it was ever changed and not on to check myself. Edit: no it’s not.
Anyway, his friend is a perfect example of what I bolded. When he's actually fighting back, he needs to resto heavy attack very early on. Against multiple targets or for Templars that do full DPS, cleanse etc I doubt this is going to be that sustainable at all.
Fight starts at 2:23 - He's casting multiple resto heavies by 3:09.
That's when you load it up on the dots then follow up with a decent combo. Problem is OP doesn't have any burst lolMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OP has 27k stam, doesn’t stun on cooldown, no planned combos... then decides to QQ in CAPS... nothing to see here
Again, I keep saying .. your theory from live means nothing...THERE HAS BEEN GAME WIDE CHANGES TO EVERYTHING !!! GO ON TO PTS AND TEST IT!! If not, your input and theory is worthless here.. GO TO THE PTS GET YOUR FRIENDS ON IT AND TEST IT!!!
Are you all blind? He is ressing from death in the second vid...because I killed him...If you don't like my playstyle go on to the PTS and and do your own thing.. or get somebody who plays like you play onto the pts... otherwise sit down... and wait for this broken crap to go live and then feel like you are powerful... because you are using a broken build...
I am glad you saw my stam you are really looking close to the vid... for the person who says "why don't you use PoTL"....why the hell would I with 27k stam...? At that point it's a waste of a space on my bar...
I keep telling you guys "This build only complements me and my playstyle" Trying to understand how I play will leave you dumbfounded... Hold on I will go update the first post0 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »OP has 27k stam, doesn’t stun on cooldown, no planned combos... then decides to QQ in CAPS... nothing to see here
Again, I keep saying .. your theory from live means nothing...THERE HAS BEEN GAME WIDE CHANGES TO EVERYTHING !!! GO ON TO PTS AND TEST IT!! If not, your input and theory is worthless here.. GO TO THE PTS GET YOUR FRIENDS ON IT AND TEST IT!!!
Are you all blind? He is ressing from death in the second vid...because I killed him...If you don't like my playstyle go on to the PTS and and do your own thing.. or get somebody who plays like you play onto the pts... otherwise sit down... and wait for this broken crap to go live and then feel like you are powerful... because you are using a broken build...
I am glad you saw my stam you are really looking close to the vid... for the person who says "why don't you use PoTL"....why the hell would I with 27k stam...? At that point it's a waste of a space on my bar...
I keep telling you guys "This build only complements me and my playstyle" Trying to understand how I play will leave you dumbfounded... Hold on I will go update the first post
Lighten up, Francis.
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