IMPORTANT: LIVING DARK MAGPLAR TELLS ME LD TOO OP...TEST WITH YOUR FRIENDS!! PTS
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LuxLunae
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I am here to say I am pretty bad at this game..I don't look at my rotation, counters, etc...So maybe I am making this a huge deal when the top tiers can toss this down quick....
With that said, I could not overcome a Light armor wearing magplar only using living dark + ritural retribution + mutagen...
My stam jabs? they were thrown out the freking window... the crap stam ulit for staam templar? (I refused to be homogenized to only riding on top of dawnbreaker of smiting) tossed out the frecking window(stamplar falls again...).. bleeds? Ritural DOT? Tossed OUT THE WINDOW!!! tossed out the window...
My build had about 5k weapon damage 60% crit... and it is only the build I still am using on live for the most part..
This is where I need YOU elitists to come out and REALLY test this thing and make sure it is changed... I kept saying I would become powerful in this new patch but now I am a simple paperweight of trash...
If this happens to go live, I will delete some of my characters and build altmer templars with the elswyr sets....This way I don't have to worry about sustain and i can keep spamming living dark et al.
I mean really if it goes live I will actually have space in my inventory...because for the first time I can mulch all of my gold weapons and armors based on stamina and toss it out of the window..
I can already see magplar beautifully... for myself... i'd use probably dual wield swords with resto staff and make sure I fight up close and personal.. Living dark is far bettter than ANY templar ulti... it is better than any templar heal....it is better than major protection....
I can get up into peoples faces with light armor... and use a sustain build....
I can run jabs+living dark... and I will NEVER die ... and if i get close to dying...i can hurry up and use resto ult....I would truly be able to 1 V X...for the first time...It's like 7th legion but better...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wjfcng_rEo&feature=youtu.be
EDIT UPDATE: I added this since people said the pvp in the first video was impractical and skilless...I removed my burst damage pvp (auto + hundings) build and go with the one I made day one when I was pissed that ZoS switched the races...the build complements my race 100% and my horrible playstyle and it would probably be only compatible to myself... so there is no need to share it..I like that I can use it in average pvp and average pve..I dub it infinite sustain...although I can lose stam lol...but that's not what kills me with this build..Burst damage kills me...
Executioner is the key to winning against Living Dark...Note that the magplar is dead in the second vid from me killing him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLEUBAguQMU
We are average players in pvp...we are not the best...in the hands of the best, that thing will be so OP...I don't crunch numbers I just play...
My motto... don't think just attack..
For those of you who have criticisms I understand. However, just to remind you there was changes to things across the board. Your theory from live server without testing in PTS means nothing here. So get on the pts and post your vids up here or get somebody else who plays the way you play and post the vids up. It is true 2 people can't be the test for the many... So that is why we need you to also go on there and test it....
Edited by LuxLunae on July 11, 2019 6:48PM With that said, I could not overcome a Light armor wearing magplar only using living dark + ritural retribution + mutagen...
My stam jabs? they were thrown out the freking window... the crap stam ulit for staam templar? (I refused to be homogenized to only riding on top of dawnbreaker of smiting) tossed out the frecking window(stamplar falls again...).. bleeds? Ritural DOT? Tossed OUT THE WINDOW!!! tossed out the window...
My build had about 5k weapon damage 60% crit... and it is only the build I still am using on live for the most part..
This is where I need YOU elitists to come out and REALLY test this thing and make sure it is changed... I kept saying I would become powerful in this new patch but now I am a simple paperweight of trash...
If this happens to go live, I will delete some of my characters and build altmer templars with the elswyr sets....This way I don't have to worry about sustain and i can keep spamming living dark et al.
I mean really if it goes live I will actually have space in my inventory...because for the first time I can mulch all of my gold weapons and armors based on stamina and toss it out of the window..
I can already see magplar beautifully... for myself... i'd use probably dual wield swords with resto staff and make sure I fight up close and personal.. Living dark is far bettter than ANY templar ulti... it is better than any templar heal....it is better than major protection....
I can get up into peoples faces with light armor... and use a sustain build....
I can run jabs+living dark... and I will NEVER die ... and if i get close to dying...i can hurry up and use resto ult....I would truly be able to 1 V X...for the first time...It's like 7th legion but better...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wjfcng_rEo&feature=youtu.beEDIT UPDATE: I added this since people said the pvp in the first video was impractical and skilless...I removed my burst damage pvp (auto + hundings) build and go with the one I made day one when I was pissed that ZoS switched the races...the build complements my race 100% and my horrible playstyle and it would probably be only compatible to myself... so there is no need to share it..I like that I can use it in average pvp and average pve..I dub it infinite sustain...although I can lose stam lol...but that's not what kills me with this build..Burst damage kills me...
Executioner is the key to winning against Living Dark...Note that the magplar is dead in the second vid from me killing him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLEUBAguQMUWe are average players in pvp...we are not the best...in the hands of the best, that thing will be so OP...I don't crunch numbers I just play...
My motto... don't think just attack..
For those of you who have criticisms I understand. However, just to remind you there was changes to things across the board. Your theory from live server without testing in PTS means nothing here. So get on the pts and post your vids up here or get somebody else who plays the way you play and post the vids up. It is true 2 people can't be the test for the many... So that is why we need you to also go on there and test it....
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✭✭✭✭✭Sooooo not sure what's being said exactly.
Are you happy Magplar is viable? Upset Stam isn't what you want?
Dislike sets?
Happy or unhappy about purging eclipse?8 -
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✭That video is just so useless and proves nothing. The guy is not even trying to do any damage... With those skills of course you don't kill anyone.Restoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!10 -
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✭✭That video is just so useless and proves nothing. The guy is not even trying to do any damage... With those skills of course you don't kill anyone.
Someone always finds an excuse to defend something broken. The skill costs too little, heals too much, ticks too often. That's reality.4 -
Sotha_Sil✭✭✭✭✭
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Someone always finds an excuse to defend something broken. The skill costs too little, heals too much, ticks too often. That's reality.
I am not saying the skill is not broken or if it is. I am just saying this is not the proof of it. You don't kill anyone while just standing and pressing you attacks, you stun them at least. Spamming jabs won't get you anywhere...Edited by Sotha_Sil on July 9, 2019 6:13PMRestoration is a perfectly valid school of magic, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise! - Spells and incantations for those with the talent to cast them!10 -
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✭✭✭✭Can you do the same video but also show your weapon damage, sets, and gear please?4 -
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I am not saying the skill is not broken or if it is. I am just saying this is not the proof of it. You don't kill anyone while just standing and pressing you attacks, you stun them at least. Spamming jabs won't get you anywhere...
I think the video shows pretty clearly how op it is though. The stamplar is doing a full damage rotation, minus a stun, and the magplar is literally just refreshing 3 skills and not coming close to dying. And yes, in a real fight, there will be stuns, but this templar doesn't even need to break free from the stun to continue getting the benefits from the 3 skills they are refreshing. And on that same note, in a real fight, those seconds when that templar is just standing there in the video are going to be times when they are actually going offensive, with zero drawback.3 -
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✭✭✭Using direct damage attacks against Living Dark does nothing but heal the caster.
Your jab spam healed the magplar every half second
Your bleeds are easily cleansed by Templars, which is something you should already know. Further, bleeds are mitigated by the target's physical resistance.
You did not use your Charge after your opening burst, which you should have noted was most effective.
You do not use javelin, which would have provided an opening for your burst on any class, including that magplar.
You did not attempt to bash or interrupt the cast of Living Dark. I don't know if interrupt wouod have worked, I would have tried it to see.
You essentially relied on the two skills you had slotted that are guaranteed to lose against Living Dark.
I don't mean to criticize you. I'm not on PTS, so I can only go by the skill description in the Patch Notes. But based on the description, I knew that jabs will be the last skill (4 strikes in one second) I would use against a defensive skill that would heal my opponent twice with every cast.13 -
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✭✭I dont need to test...I can read description and I can use brain to comprehend when a skill is brokenly OP and uncounterable...unless you play templar or necro...oh that's right that makes sense! they force all non templar pvpers to go necros!...damn you for you evil plans!...
everyone went crazy about nightblades...then they did...this...to us and then they did something somewhat to compensate...added unccable silence for 3s on deathstroke...ofc the antinb party of forums went berserk...then they made it ccbreakable and blockable and unusable if ur ccimmune...oh how nice! and now these patch notes come and make this to LD...I dont see anyone complaining at all except some people who actually have sense and go check the stuff...cuz hey in this world we all are just 100% against nightblades... awesome but on the next patch due to all changes that for the 1st time I support completely even this one on LD its cuz there can be 1 BROKEN pvp tank build for nightblade ALONE...which will make you simply just sit and afk block(if you feel like it) while ur hp wont even flinch...with some workaround might even turn it into a killing hybrid...idk il have to test stuff...but hey its fine...everything its fine.
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LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭Using direct damage attacks against Living Dark does nothing but heal the caster.
Your jab spam healed the magplar every half second
Your bleeds are easily cleansed by Templars, which is something you should already know. Further, bleeds are mitigated by the target's physical resistance.
You did not use your Charge after your opening burst, which you should have noted was most effective.
You do not use javelin, which would have provided an opening for your burst on any class, including that magplar.
You did not attempt to bash or interrupt the cast of Living Dark. I don't know if interrupt wouod have worked, I would have tried it to see.
You essentially relied on the two skills you had slotted that are guaranteed to lose against Living Dark.
I don't mean to criticize you. I'm not on PTS, so I can only go by the skill description in the Patch Notes. But based on the description, I knew that jabs will be the last skill (4 strikes in one second) I would use against a defensive skill that would heal my opponent twice with every cast.
Go on to the pts and test your skills bud...0 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
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Go on to the pts and test your skills bud...
Use something other than ineffective button-mash, bud8 -
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I am not saying the skill is not broken or if it is. I am just saying this is not the proof of it.Using direct damage attacks against Living Dark does nothing but heal the caster.
Your jab spam healed the magplar every half second
Your bleeds are easily cleansed by Templars, which is something you should already know. Further, bleeds are mitigated by the target's physical resistance.
You did not use your Charge after your opening burst, which you should have noted was most effective.
You do not use javelin, which would have provided an opening for your burst on any class, including that magplar.
You did not attempt to bash or interrupt the cast of Living Dark. I don't know if interrupt wouod have worked, I would have tried it to see.
You essentially relied on the two skills you had slotted that are guaranteed to lose against Living Dark.
I don't mean to criticize you. I'm not on PTS, so I can only go by the skill description in the Patch Notes. But based on the description, I knew that jabs will be the last skill (4 strikes in one second) I would use against a defensive skill that would heal my opponent twice with every cast.
The problem is that you cannot avoid doing direct damage, even CP skill riposte procs it and nearly every DoT has a direct damage component or cannot be strong enough to overcome HoTs. Wings was changed because it pretty much nullified ranged damage, this skill nullifies far more skills than wings ever did, and even light attacks and heals you MORE than the damage you take even on a light armor build nowhere near max resists. How can anyone not find that broken?
Templar wasn't blocking, wasn't rolling, and wasn't doing anything else besides keeping three self-heals up. and standing stupid. No proc sets being used. Imagine what would happen if they were...1 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »Can you do the same video but also show your weapon damage, sets, and gear please?
Let's just say automaton and hundings rage gold...weapon damage glyphs on the rings..
I'd rather you elites use better builds than that...I could be wrong...maybe as a DK or NB someone can counterplay it/him...
I am the guy who is attacking.. not the one defending...
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The problem is that you cannot avoid doing direct damage, even CP skill riposte procs it and nearly every DoT has a direct damage component or cannot be strong enough to overcome HoTs. Wings was changed because it pretty much nullified ranged damage, this skill nullifies far more skills than wings ever did, and even light attacks and heals you MORE than the damage you take even on a light armor build nowhere near max resists. How can anyone not find that broken?
Templar wasn't blocking, wasn't rolling, and wasn't doing anything else besides keeping three self-heals up. and standing stupid. No proc sets being used. Imagine what would happen if they were...
I did not say that I think Living Dark is fine. It is obvious from the description that heal either ticks too often, or is too large per tick, or both.
But to mindlessly flail away with the same two skills that you can see aren't working doesn't equate to the conclusion that Living Dark is undefeatable.
The OP called for further testing. I agree, and I suggested a number of things that a stamplar should quite obviously have done.
That is the essence of testing: try different things.
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LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭
Use something other than ineffective button-mash, bud
you don't truly understand what pvp is..otherwise you would get off your high horse and actually go and fight that man in the video..I have nothing to prove..I am simply here to show a op skill that that person in the video told me to put up on forums to expose people like you who are lurking in the background making metas on op things...0 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
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you don't truly understand what pvp is..otherwise you would get off your high horse and actually go and fight that man in the video..I have nothing to prove..I am simply here to show a op skill that that person in the video told me to put up on forums to expose people like you who are lurking in the background making metas on op things...
Calm down kid, and follow my expert advice. You might learn something.
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I did not say that I think Living Dark is fine. It is obvious from the description that heal either ticks too often, or is too large per tick, or both.
But to mindlessly flail away with the same two skills that you can see aren't working doesn't equate to the conclusion that Living Dark is undefeatable.
The OP called for further testing. I agree, and I suggested a number of things that a stamplar should quite obviously have done.
That is the essence of testing: try different things.
Hey, did you ...you know ? READ my first post?...it says for others to go test it out...I don't ever say that I am the best...The video is not to prove anything...it is simply to show this is something that DEFINITELY should be looked into...So how about you go look into it...
Looks like you lucked out...if you don't have the PTS installed...I wouldnt want you to waste time downloading it...1 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
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Hey, did you ...you know ? READ my first post?...it says for others to go test it out...I don't ever say that I am the best...The video is not to prove anything...it is simply to show this is something that DEFINITELY should be looked into...So how about you go look into it...
Looks like you lucked out...if you don't have the PTS installed...I wouldnt want you to waste time downloading it...
The OP called for further testing. I agree, and I suggested a number of things that a stamplar should quite obviously have done.
I literally stated that you called for testing in my post that you quoted and I agreed.
I also provided you with expert advice for Stamplar. This is exactly what you requested. Smdh.
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Althorn✭✭See the issue with that test there is that even on live I would be able to stand there with my magplar and cleanse all of your dots and BoL heal to full if I was literally doing nothing but standing there. You don't really understand the dynamics of pvp if you're trying to test how deadly you are on someone without the other person actually going offensive. If the magplar was offensive then they wouldnt be spamming their healing rotation, they'd be using even more resources while utilizing all of their skills. This plus not being on guard 100% of the time, which is literally what that test actually was, would allow you to hurt the magplar. So in summary, if you're going to test living dark, you need to have an actual fight where all defense and offensive skills and tactics are being engaged. Like I said, pretty much anyone can survive anyones dmg on live right now if all you're doing is standing there healing. Unless you're a full kite setup...4
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FlamingBeard✭✭✭✭✭That face when you can't freely beat up magplars anymore due to them now having a proactive defense skill instead of being limited to running themselves out of magicka spamming a burst heal and cleanse.
Honestly people, learn to play the game. Learn how to time CCs and burst damage and you can still kill even GOOD magplars who are using Living Dark.7 -
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Let's just say automaton and hundings rage gold...weapon damage glyphs on the rings..
Let's not "just say". I'm skeptical of everything
I'd rather you elites use better builds than that...I could be wrong...maybe as a DK or NB someone can counterplay it/him...
I am the guy who is attacking.. not the one defending...
I know. It's why I asked for your weapon damage and sets, not your physical resistance and sets 3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Duels have no LoS/other TargetsEdited by Waffennacht on July 9, 2019 7:01PM1 -
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✭This is the classic beginnings of a patch where sorc dominates and magplar is not viable. Open with sorc nerfs/magplar buffs, popcorn, PTS 3, back to EsorcOnline.2 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »
Let's not "just say". I'm skeptical of everything
I know. It's why I asked for your weapon damage and sets, not your physical resistance and sets
Well I switched to my build I made last year to counteract zos and the race changes...I was able to beat the other guy.... That build I can not ever say because of fears that it may become the meta and get nerfed... I will say that it is cheap to get though...
I beat him by outsustaining....
Burst damage build wont work on him....
The defining blow to end him was Executioner... it is extremely powerful it ripped right through the bubble... and ended him...
I would STILL LIKE OTHERS TO TEST THIS THOUGH!!! I ONLY BEAT HIM BECAUSE I OUT SUSTAINED HIM!!!0 -
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Well I switched to my build I made last year to counteract zos and the race changes...I was able to beat the other guy.... That build I can not ever say because of fears that it may become the meta and get nerfed... I will say that it is cheap to get though...
I beat him by outsustaining....
Burst damage build wont work on him....
The defining blow to end him was Executioner... it is extremely powerful it ripped right through the bubble... and ended him...
I would STILL LIKE OTHERS TO TEST THIS THOUGH!!! I ONLY BEAT HIM BECAUSE I OUT SUSTAINED HIM!!!
So what you're saying is: you used up all of his Magicka like you would attempt to make any other Magicka opponent do, and this presented the opportunity to destroy him even with Living Dark on his bar? GASP
It's almost as if you fought the magplar and won by having better resource sustain like any other random fight can result in and Living Dark ultimately didn't let him win! GASPEdited by FlamingBeard on July 9, 2019 8:02PM6 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hmmmm...
It shouldn't be proccing on Jabs since it is an AoE DoT (that's how the game classifies it anyway).
If it didn't proc on Jabs and you stopped light attack weaving you would have killed him just fine. I think the skill needs some fine tuning.0 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭I posted a video with practical pvp... since some people think the other vid was impractical in pvp... go back up to the first post...Edited by LuxLunae on July 9, 2019 10:01PM0
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✭What I see in the videos is a class without a lot of burst unable to burst the Templar using total dark. However there are quite a few times you drop his health quickly but can't finish him. You even refuse to use Dawnbreaker which would a much more effective ult against the Temp, drop that when he's at half health and you'd likely finish him. My real takeaway from the videos is that anyone that can line up a good burst combo will have no problem with Temps using Total Dark.5 -
LuxLunae✭✭✭✭✭itscompton wrote: »What I see in the videos is a class without a lot of burst unable to burst the Templar using total dark. However there are quite a few times you drop his health quickly but can't finish him. You even refuse to use Dawnbreaker which would a much more effective ult against the Temp, drop that when he's at half health and you'd likely finish him. My real takeaway from the videos is that anyone that can line up a good burst combo will have no problem with Temps using Total Dark.
forget theory...the pts is up and running go test it yourself with some friends..... Let me guess, you too don't have pts downloaded...
is there anybody here who can meet me or that guy in pts?Edited by LuxLunae on July 9, 2019 10:07PM0
