Magicka Warden Discussion

Insco851 · July 2019

With the crap change to clench- only thing to shoot for is artic blast being viable. Get it overhauled, get some dmg, fix that terrible lazy animation.

Insco851 · July 2019

BrokenGameMechanics wrote: »

The night the notes were first posted, I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling, I'm like wow extensive changes across the board. Then I'm thinking, O-M-G, my fav Magden, if they did this many changes across the board Magden must have gottne the complete top to bottom overhaul. But I'm patient, I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling and then there it was. Nerf, nerf, nerf, modest DOT buff to one skill, nerf, ... and that's all folks.

Seems to be a Pattern here eh.

Runefang · July 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

Wonder if all mag is going for multiple dots on their bars for pve dps

They are. There is now even less flavour differences between classes.

SirMewser wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

I think you'll find that MagSorcs and Magplars both got hit harder than the Magden. Stop crying.

I'd ask where you're from but I'm sure I can take a good guess, based on your post.

I’m from Australia, you?

And you’ll see by the numbers posted here and elsewhere all the crying was for nothing. Magden dps is now higher than ever.

stevenyaub16_ESO · July 2019

everyone's damage is still high because everyone i using the same spells now.

wheem_ESO · July 2019

Insco851 wrote: »

With the crap change to clench- only thing to shoot for is artic blast being viable. Get it overhauled, get some dmg, fix that terrible lazy animation.

That's what I've been saying over the last few days.

I don't think it was ever good for the game to have a skill that functioned just as well as any other spammable for damage, while also being instant cast, having 28m range, and a stun attached to it. The new version of Reach allows for some more magicka DOT setups (and might help make Magicka Necromancer more viable for PvP), and is overall a very positive change for the game, IMO. That said, they need to reevaluate some of the CC options that some classes are left with, including, but not limited to, Arctic Blast. While it's certainly better than it was when originally converted to a stun, it's still much too expensive for what it offers.

weedgenius · July 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Magicka warden got hit harder than any other class this patch, which makes absolutely zero sense.

They already had the lowest DPS of any class:

ESO Logs: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&difficulty=121&metric=dps&aggregate=amount

Liko's target dummy tests: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLGCNYH1t5DyQQ5tfU4Hdw/videos

What the *** are you doing ZOS?

I get it, you're nerfing across the board. But no class got hit this hard.

Wardens lost 5% of their overall DPS with the change to the Advanced Species passive, as well as took a 20% hit to WR. The only buff we got to compensate for that was a small 17% increase to Swarm (but also a cost increase).

This class already had less than 1% usage in endgame content. That number is going to get pretty damn close to 0 now.

I think you'll actually be pleasantly surprised with the results magdens are seeing on PTS. I've seen 91k+ parses and hit a hair under 90k myself.

... I dropped the spammable altogether and am using 7 DoTs (Unstable Wall, Scalding Rune, Degeneration, Barbed Trap, Flame Reach, Fetcher Infection, Soul Trap).

Note that you've named only one class-specific skill lol.

RiskyChalice863 · July 2019

Each class has its own powerful single DOT as well. And Fetcher Infection is going to be the highest damaging of all of them—and indeed will very likely be the highest damaging single target DOT in the game. That 50% higher damage proc for it will hit like an absolute truck. In fact, I think there’s a very good chance Magicka Wardens will come out of this with the highest single target DPS of any Magicka class.

LiquidPony · July 2019

weedgenius wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Magicka warden got hit harder than any other class this patch, which makes absolutely zero sense.

They already had the lowest DPS of any class:

ESO Logs: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&difficulty=121&metric=dps&aggregate=amount

Liko's target dummy tests: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLGCNYH1t5DyQQ5tfU4Hdw/videos

What the *** are you doing ZOS?

I get it, you're nerfing across the board. But no class got hit this hard.

Wardens lost 5% of their overall DPS with the change to the Advanced Species passive, as well as took a 20% hit to WR. The only buff we got to compensate for that was a small 17% increase to Swarm (but also a cost increase).

This class already had less than 1% usage in endgame content. That number is going to get pretty damn close to 0 now.

I think you'll actually be pleasantly surprised with the results magdens are seeing on PTS. I've seen 91k+ parses and hit a hair under 90k myself.

... I dropped the spammable altogether and am using 7 DoTs (Unstable Wall, Scalding Rune, Degeneration, Barbed Trap, Flame Reach, Fetcher Infection, Soul Trap).

Note that you've named only one class-specific skill lol.

You'll still have Scorch, Betty Netch, and the Bear anyway. You can also drop Scalding Rune and keep Cliffracer as a spammable, not really much difference in DPS.

Regardless, the point of the thread was "magdens have bad DPS", which isn't true. "Class identity" as it were is another topic entirely.

frostz417 · July 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Magicka warden got hit harder than any other class this patch, which makes absolutely zero sense.

They already had the lowest DPS of any class:

ESO Logs: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&difficulty=121&metric=dps&aggregate=amount

Liko's target dummy tests: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLGCNYH1t5DyQQ5tfU4Hdw/videos

What the *** are you doing ZOS?

I get it, you're nerfing across the board. But no class got hit this hard.

Wardens lost 5% of their overall DPS with the change to the Advanced Species passive, as well as took a 20% hit to WR. The only buff we got to compensate for that was a small 17% increase to Swarm (but also a cost increase).

This class already had less than 1% usage in endgame content. That number is going to get pretty damn close to 0 now.

I think you'll actually be pleasantly surprised with the results magdens are seeing on PTS. I've seen 91k+ parses and hit a hair under 90k myself.

... I dropped the spammable altogether and am using 7 DoTs (Unstable Wall, Scalding Rune, Degeneration, Barbed Trap, Flame Reach, Fetcher Infection, Soul Trap).

Note that you've named only one class-specific skill lol.

You'll still have Scorch, Betty Netch, and the Bear anyway. You can also drop Scalding Rune and keep Cliffracer as a spammable, not really much difference in DPS.

Regardless, the point of the thread was "magdens have bad DPS", which isn't true. "Class identity" as it were is another topic entirely.

Dps isn’t the issue. It’s the lack of utility such as a good class stun and a decent spammable

frostz417 · July 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Magicka warden got hit harder than any other class this patch, which makes absolutely zero sense.

They already had the lowest DPS of any class:

ESO Logs: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&difficulty=121&metric=dps&aggregate=amount

Liko's target dummy tests: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLGCNYH1t5DyQQ5tfU4Hdw/videos

What the *** are you doing ZOS?

I get it, you're nerfing across the board. But no class got hit this hard.

Wardens lost 5% of their overall DPS with the change to the Advanced Species passive, as well as took a 20% hit to WR. The only buff we got to compensate for that was a small 17% increase to Swarm (but also a cost increase).

This class already had less than 1% usage in endgame content. That number is going to get pretty damn close to 0 now.

I think you'll actually be pleasantly surprised with the results magdens are seeing on PTS. I've seen 91k+ parses and hit a hair under 90k myself.

... I dropped the spammable altogether and am using 7 DoTs (Unstable Wall, Scalding Rune, Degeneration, Barbed Trap, Flame Reach, Fetcher Infection, Soul Trap).

Note that you've named only one class-specific skill lol.

You'll still have Scorch, Betty Netch, and the Bear anyway. You can also drop Scalding Rune and keep Cliffracer as a spammable, not really much difference in DPS.

Regardless, the point of the thread was "magdens have bad DPS", which isn't true. "Class identity" as it were is another topic entirely.

Dps isn’t the issue. It’s the lack of utility such as a good class stun and a decent spammable

LiquidPony · July 2019

frostz417 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Magicka warden got hit harder than any other class this patch, which makes absolutely zero sense.

They already had the lowest DPS of any class:

ESO Logs: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&difficulty=121&metric=dps&aggregate=amount

Liko's target dummy tests: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLGCNYH1t5DyQQ5tfU4Hdw/videos

What the *** are you doing ZOS?

I get it, you're nerfing across the board. But no class got hit this hard.

Wardens lost 5% of their overall DPS with the change to the Advanced Species passive, as well as took a 20% hit to WR. The only buff we got to compensate for that was a small 17% increase to Swarm (but also a cost increase).

This class already had less than 1% usage in endgame content. That number is going to get pretty damn close to 0 now.

I think you'll actually be pleasantly surprised with the results magdens are seeing on PTS. I've seen 91k+ parses and hit a hair under 90k myself.

... I dropped the spammable altogether and am using 7 DoTs (Unstable Wall, Scalding Rune, Degeneration, Barbed Trap, Flame Reach, Fetcher Infection, Soul Trap).

Note that you've named only one class-specific skill lol.

You'll still have Scorch, Betty Netch, and the Bear anyway. You can also drop Scalding Rune and keep Cliffracer as a spammable, not really much difference in DPS.

Regardless, the point of the thread was "magdens have bad DPS", which isn't true. "Class identity" as it were is another topic entirely.

Dps isn’t the issue. It’s the lack of utility such as a good class stun and a decent spammable

Huh? This thread was about magden PvE DPS. In PvE, stuns are useless and Wardens have one of the best class spammables in the game.

LeHarrt91 · July 2019

Yes while this thread was made with PVE in mind, their statement still holds true in regards to MagDens. Screaming Cliff Racer is a bit of a bland spammable.

frostz417 · July 2019

LiquidPony wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Magicka warden got hit harder than any other class this patch, which makes absolutely zero sense.

They already had the lowest DPS of any class:

ESO Logs: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&difficulty=121&metric=dps&aggregate=amount

Liko's target dummy tests: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLGCNYH1t5DyQQ5tfU4Hdw/videos

What the *** are you doing ZOS?

I get it, you're nerfing across the board. But no class got hit this hard.

Wardens lost 5% of their overall DPS with the change to the Advanced Species passive, as well as took a 20% hit to WR. The only buff we got to compensate for that was a small 17% increase to Swarm (but also a cost increase).

This class already had less than 1% usage in endgame content. That number is going to get pretty damn close to 0 now.

I think you'll actually be pleasantly surprised with the results magdens are seeing on PTS. I've seen 91k+ parses and hit a hair under 90k myself.

... I dropped the spammable altogether and am using 7 DoTs (Unstable Wall, Scalding Rune, Degeneration, Barbed Trap, Flame Reach, Fetcher Infection, Soul Trap).

Note that you've named only one class-specific skill lol.

You'll still have Scorch, Betty Netch, and the Bear anyway. You can also drop Scalding Rune and keep Cliffracer as a spammable, not really much difference in DPS.

Regardless, the point of the thread was "magdens have bad DPS", which isn't true. "Class identity" as it were is another topic entirely.

Dps isn’t the issue. It’s the lack of utility such as a good class stun and a decent spammable

LiquidPony wrote: »

frostz417 wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

weedgenius wrote: »

LiquidPony wrote: »

MLGProPlayer wrote: »

Magicka warden got hit harder than any other class this patch, which makes absolutely zero sense.

They already had the lowest DPS of any class:

ESO Logs: https://www.esologs.com/zone/statistics/12#dataset=95&difficulty=121&metric=dps&aggregate=amount

Liko's target dummy tests: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCuLGCNYH1t5DyQQ5tfU4Hdw/videos

What the *** are you doing ZOS?

I get it, you're nerfing across the board. But no class got hit this hard.

Wardens lost 5% of their overall DPS with the change to the Advanced Species passive, as well as took a 20% hit to WR. The only buff we got to compensate for that was a small 17% increase to Swarm (but also a cost increase).

This class already had less than 1% usage in endgame content. That number is going to get pretty damn close to 0 now.

I think you'll actually be pleasantly surprised with the results magdens are seeing on PTS. I've seen 91k+ parses and hit a hair under 90k myself.

... I dropped the spammable altogether and am using 7 DoTs (Unstable Wall, Scalding Rune, Degeneration, Barbed Trap, Flame Reach, Fetcher Infection, Soul Trap).

Note that you've named only one class-specific skill lol.

You'll still have Scorch, Betty Netch, and the Bear anyway. You can also drop Scalding Rune and keep Cliffracer as a spammable, not really much difference in DPS.

Regardless, the point of the thread was "magdens have bad DPS", which isn't true. "Class identity" as it were is another topic entirely.

Dps isn’t the issue. It’s the lack of utility such as a good class stun and a decent spammable

Huh? This thread was about magden PvE DPS. In PvE, stuns are useless and Wardens have one of the best class spammables in the game.

Ah, well I’m speaking from a PvP perspective

Stibbons · July 2019

Overall magic character nerfs. Just play stamina toons.

Starlight_Knight · July 2019

I have been a Magica Warden as my main since they were released - The class has always felt very unfinished and un-polished i particularity hate how much has been taken away from the class over the years and my warden is really struggling with her identity now - so many nerfs, clunky skills with insta class that wont fire ( tree-ulti ) and we've lost sooo much in this outrageous idea of class homogenisation.

They are kind of a frustrating class to be be playing but they did fix something with the bear so maybe that will do more damage now.. shame it will still be stupid with dumb AI.

Starlight_Knight · July 2019

RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

Each class has its own powerful single DOT as well. And Fetcher Infection is going to be the highest damaging of all of them—and indeed will very likely be the highest damaging single target DOT in the game. That 50% higher damage proc for it will hit like an absolute truck. In fact, I think there’s a very good chance Magicka Wardens will come out of this with the highest single target DPS of any Magicka class.

In regards to PVP that 50% increase is RNG though because of dodge chance, and its impossible to keep track of - so when you do finally land a fetcher you've no idea if its the 50% more one or not..

TheGreatBlackBear · July 2019

https://youtu.be/rhqMI_wvdIs

This person put up a 90k parse. Good stuff

LeHarrt91 · July 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rhqMI_wvdIs

This person put up a 90k parse. Good stuff

Yes Masel did get an impressive parse on MagDen and that was without the new Zen set. But if everyone will be using, Zen with Entropy, Soul Trap and Flame Reach why not bring more Necro's for Major Vulnerability.

MLGProPlayer · July 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rhqMI_wvdIs

This person put up a 90k parse. Good stuff

It seems these new universal skills have helped equalize DPS across all the classes (except magcro which seems to be hitting around 93k).

I wonder what skill you drop in actual content where you need shield. Magelight, trap, or one of the DoTs? I'm guessing magelight is the most expendable since it's barely active in this rotation (you don't really have a "main bar" anymore).

RiskyChalice863 · July 2019

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

RiskyChalice863 wrote: »

Each class has its own powerful single DOT as well. And Fetcher Infection is going to be the highest damaging of all of them—and indeed will very likely be the highest damaging single target DOT in the game. That 50% higher damage proc for it will hit like an absolute truck. In fact, I think there’s a very good chance Magicka Wardens will come out of this with the highest single target DPS of any Magicka class.

In regards to PVP that 50% increase is RNG though because of dodge chance, and its impossible to keep track of - so when you do finally land a fetcher you've no idea if its the 50% more one or not..

I’m pretty sure there’s an option to show buffs on the screen that would show the Fetcher Infection one. You’re right that it’d be a bit of a pain to keep track of but I don’t think it’s impossible. And even if it WERE impossible, you’d have 25% higher average DPS with the ability if it’s 50% stronger half the time.

GoodFella146 · July 2019

Vercingetorix wrote: »

According to ZoS, there's nothing to discuss. Magicka Wardens are extinct. Reroll or leave ESO.

Perfect answer. This is why the game is going downhill faster than normal.

Ozby · July 2019

TheGreatBlackBear wrote: »

https://youtu.be/rhqMI_wvdIs

This person put up a 90k parse. Good stuff

It's kinda cheesing though imo wearing siroria as you would only be wearing that on mostly stationary fights tbh. Also the bars dont look very much like wardens anymore everyones going to be using the same skills , degeneration, soul trap etc sooooooo boring! I'm not sure why they are trying to make this game so generic now.

Saril_Durzam · July 2019

Magicka got the hit in general. It´s just that magwardens were bad before the patch so they notice it more.

Forget magicka. Play stamina. As intended.