anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Its a crying shame this topic got hijacked and derailed

Hijacked and derailed ? How ? Aren't we discussing the pros and the cons of the upcoming multibidding system ?

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Please explain why rotation will be better, if possible with practical examples of how it will work and add benefits.

Let's say, MegaGuilds, BigGuilds, AverageGuilds, SmallGuilds, spread on MegaSpots, BigSpots, AverageSpots, SmallSpots.

Right now MegaGuilds are concentrated in MegaSpots, and MegaSpots only. MegaSpots only have MegaGuilds.
BigGuilds are in Bigspots, AverageGuilds in AverageSpots, etc... and so on.

As a result, buyers go to MegaSpots only, because they know there are MegaGuilds out there, and MegaGuilds have the best offer, the best prices (due to enhanced competition) etc... on the opposite side, noone cares to stop at the SmallSpots because it's more than likely that they will only have 2Ta, 20 standard green items and the like.

Now if things were less stable and more mixed :
- People would be more enclined to visit the SmallSpots and AverageSpots - because a MegaGuild could have ended up there and have that extra rare item that we're looking for
- Small Guilds could end up in a MegaSpot or AverageSpot. People would discover them and they could build up a name and recruit more members. Their members could become more aware of markets and prices just by looking at the other guilds around and sell better items at more appropriate prices.
- People would be encouraged to travel around more and visit more remote places because there might be good stuff to buy out there (thinking of outlaw refuges for instance, which are gorgeous places that noone currently visits unless they need a fence).
- After a while of this "mix" the hierarchy between all these guilds and all these spots would blur, and all places would be considered more or less equally worth for bidding on a trader and for shopping. Goods and players would spread out better among all available spots and also among the guilds. Making the market more homogenous and the shopping experience more pleasant.

That's, very generalized, what I believe the positive consequences of trader rotation would be.

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I would also be interested to hear how rotation will actually happen with the proposed system that is based on the availability of gold. Like actually happen.

What do you mean by "availability of gold" ... ?
Sometimes a bit of imagination helps. For instance when I read here and there "there's no way my guild can afford multiple bids, we don't have that kind of money". The answer to that one for instance is "borrow it from your members !".

NB : There's a dedicated official feedback thread to this topic here

Thank you for taking the time to lay out your vision.

Sorry Anita I think you are missing a crucial point here and that is the amount of gold it takes to acquire and maintain Mega and Average spots. The mix in the hierarchy will not blur as you anticipate. The amount of gold available will mean that under the new system bids are likely to go up, therefore squeezing smaller guilds even more. This has been explained variously in numerous posts.

Your are also leaving out another crucial factor and that is human nature. Guilds do not operate independently in a vacuum, just blindly bidding against each other. There is just so much going on in the background and this is what we are trying to tell you. Guilds are run by people with all their foibles good and bad. Blind bidding across the board will cause friction, pain, stress, arguments and in-fighting.

The picture you paint just misses out so many variables. For example the notion that "these guilds and all these spots would blur, and all places would be considered more or less equally worth for bidding on a trader and for shopping" will just not happen. The reason the top spots are top is that they are in capital towns, with the most footfall and located near to a wayshrine.

People do already shop out of town, a lot of mega traders and people looking for bargains. I do most of my buying away from main towns and it amounts to millions a week. The difference between a mega-guild and a smaller guild is not just simply location it is very much recruiting, minimum sales and donations policies, lotteries and events and a huge amount of politicking. Some guilds even fake sales by officers reselling or selling at a loss to boost sales figures. Yes they sell at a loss, because the sales stats attract mega sellers. You just arent getting it

I am very sorry and hope that I don't sound patronising but your vision is completely missing a lot of the realities of the politics and effort that people put in. It is totally an completely based on hypothesis and there are no examples based on the very real things needed to run a trade guild. I wish you all the best, but i am done trying to explain this to you. The only way you will find out clearly is being involved in running guilds yourself.

How much do you think you would need to borrow from members to challenge a top spot? 5 / 10 million? Baby you better make that 100 million! I can tell you that when a lesser guild moves on top guilds they very quickly fizzle out because the donations and sales needed is massive and they just don't have the organisation to manage it.

How did I get my spot, by working bloody hard for years, by getting to know all of my neighbours and their friends, by getting in an alliance, by managing my bottom line to such an extent that I look at sales figures constantly, by having a team of officers running events, lotteries and admin tasks, by using a myriad of addon management tools - the list goes on. I literally talk with other trading guilds on a daily basis via a network of platforms, big and small guilds.

No established trading guilds so far want this change.

I am going to stick with my view based on my experience and the opinions of every GM who has posted in these threads because I can totally identify with what they are saying.