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Shock Clench stun gone?
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GoodFella146✭✭✭✭✭Well that's just stupid. Some of us don't like fire staves so honestly I don't even know what to say about this game anymore. Quality of gameplay is at an alltime low and appears to be trending down.6 -
Dojohoda✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭I took some screenshots today at PTS. Here is level 1 of each of the morphs.
Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
Might be joking in comments.
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LeHarrt91✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yeah classes without a good class stun are forced into Flame Clench.PS NA
Have played all classes.
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gepe87✭✭✭✭✭
✭Flame Reach knockback removal?
Edited by gepe87 on July 9, 2019 7:11AMGepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
If you see edits on my replies: typos. English isn't my main language0 -
red_emu✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wonderful. So now if I want to stun someone on MagicaNecro I have to be right on top of them. It will feel great when fighting StamDK heavy armour meta. RIP Necros
PC - EU:
Falathren Noctis - AD MagNecro
Falathren - AD StamSorc
Falathren Eryndaer - AD StamDen
Falathren Irimion - AD MagPlar
Talagan Falathren - AD StamDK
Falathren Infernis - AD MagDK
Your-Ex - AD MagBlade1 -
wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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Offense-oriented heavy armor sets took some nerfs with 5.1 (Veiled Heritance especially - it's completely useless now). There are also a lot of other changes to a large number of skills, so keep that in mind. Destructive Reach, Entropy, Soul Trap, the newly improved Skeletal Mage, and partially un-nerfed Blastbones should all combine to help Necromancer offense quite a bit. But yes, CC access is certainly a problem. I think we're kind of forced into being Stage 4 Vampires, and limited to using Drain with it's 12m range.Wonderful. So now if I want to stun someone on MagicaNecro I have to be right on top of them. It will feel great when fighting StamDK heavy armour meta. RIP Necros1 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭Magden and magnecro lost their stun. Thanks ZOS. Tell me how to stun my target now.....
Also magsorc and magblade are now forced to get closer to their targets to cc them. I guess the only ranged class should be bowblades with their FREE CC from a stealthed snipe wich got buffed btw. I really dont like where this is going.0 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Magden and magnecro lost their stun. Thanks ZOS. Tell me how to stun my target now.....
Also magsorc and magblade are now forced to get closer to their targets to cc them. I guess the only ranged class should be bowblades with their FREE CC from a stealthed snipe wich got buffed btw. I really dont like where this is going.
The best cc in the game is on bow now. Magnum shot ftw.<Noricum>
I live. I die. I live again.
Derra - DC - Sorc - AvA 50
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validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭PVP Community: The CC meta is stupid
Also PVP community: Wait why did you remove this CC, my class is dead now
Guys... you have to embrace these changes if you want *** to get fixed, even if it means taking a nerf. Personally I hate the CC meta so much that I dont use stuns at all, so I wont be affected and my magden will be exactly the same as they where.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Vortigaunt✭✭✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »PVP Community: The CC meta is stupid
Also PVP community: Wait why did you remove this CC, my class is dead now
Guys... you have to embrace these changes if you want *** to get fixed, even if it means taking a nerf. Personally I hate the CC meta so much that I dont use stuns at all, so I wont be affected and my magden will be exactly the same as they where.
Wtf? Nobody was complaining about CCs in the game lmao, we were complaining SPECIFICALLY about fossilize being op and draining shot being a Zerg tool.
Reach wasn’t even a good cc to begin with, you can literally just wait the stun out for 1 second and not waste any stamina1 -
Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »PVP Community: The CC meta is stupid
Also PVP community: Wait why did you remove this CC, my class is dead now
Guys... you have to embrace these changes if you want *** to get fixed, even if it means taking a nerf. Personally I hate the CC meta so much that I dont use stuns at all, so I wont be affected and my magden will be exactly the same as they where.
Tbh, only Bad players complained about CC "Meta".
Without CCs in this game how you gonna drain someones stamina? How you align a proper burst if you dont have a short window to put it?
If you dont CC your target will just block as soon as you start some burst. And fights will never end. Every class needs a viable CC to make sure your burst Rotation hits and He doesnt block/dodge it.0 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Vortigaunt wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »PVP Community: The CC meta is stupid
Also PVP community: Wait why did you remove this CC, my class is dead now
Guys... you have to embrace these changes if you want *** to get fixed, even if it means taking a nerf. Personally I hate the CC meta so much that I dont use stuns at all, so I wont be affected and my magden will be exactly the same as they where.
Wtf? Nobody was complaining about CCs in the game lmao, we were complaining SPECIFICALLY about fossilize being op and draining shot being a Zerg tool.
Reach wasn’t even a good cc to begin with, you can literally just wait the stun out for 1 second and not waste any stamina
The name of the game is simple. You spam stamina drain poisons, and stuns, until the target runs out of stamina, then you stun them and kill them. Fossilize is just the most notable way of doing it as its so its so stamina-draining efficient and plays directly into the DKs whip.
Permafrost, Ice Mages, WW Fear, Sorc Curse. Play any duel and the first thing half the duelists in the game do is opener, stun, finisher. Beat that and they'l spam you with CC until you cant break free.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
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Gnozo✭✭✭✭✭
✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Vortigaunt wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »PVP Community: The CC meta is stupid
Also PVP community: Wait why did you remove this CC, my class is dead now
Guys... you have to embrace these changes if you want *** to get fixed, even if it means taking a nerf. Personally I hate the CC meta so much that I dont use stuns at all, so I wont be affected and my magden will be exactly the same as they where.
Wtf? Nobody was complaining about CCs in the game lmao, we were complaining SPECIFICALLY about fossilize being op and draining shot being a Zerg tool.
Reach wasn’t even a good cc to begin with, you can literally just wait the stun out for 1 second and not waste any stamina
The name of the game is simple. You spam stamina drain poisons, and stuns, until the target runs out of stamina, then you stun them and kill them. Fossilize is just the most notable way of doing it as its so its so stamina-draining efficient and plays directly into the DKs whip.
Permafrost, Ice Mages, WW Fear, Sorc Curse. Play any duel and the first thing half the duelists in the game do is opener, stun, finisher. Beat that and they'l spam you with CC until you cant break free.
Or you can just counter CC and watch your stam by using tri stat food, tri stat potion or heavy attacks from stam "weapons".
I saw many duels. Maaany. Also duels between magicka chars that where CCing each other on cooldown. Never saw someone Ran out of stam cause they watched their stamina sustain.0 -
Vortigaunt✭✭✭validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Vortigaunt wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »PVP Community: The CC meta is stupid
Also PVP community: Wait why did you remove this CC, my class is dead now
Guys... you have to embrace these changes if you want *** to get fixed, even if it means taking a nerf. Personally I hate the CC meta so much that I dont use stuns at all, so I wont be affected and my magden will be exactly the same as they where.
Wtf? Nobody was complaining about CCs in the game lmao, we were complaining SPECIFICALLY about fossilize being op and draining shot being a Zerg tool.
Reach wasn’t even a good cc to begin with, you can literally just wait the stun out for 1 second and not waste any stamina
The name of the game is simple. You spam stamina drain poisons, and stuns, until the target runs out of stamina, then you stun them and kill them. Fossilize is just the most notable way of doing it as its so its so stamina-draining efficient and plays directly into the DKs whip.
Permafrost, Ice Mages, WW Fear, Sorc Curse. Play any duel and the first thing half the duelists in the game do is opener, stun, finisher. Beat that and they'l spam you with CC until you cant break free.
If they “spam you with CCs until you can’t break free” you need better stam management/sustain in your build my dude
I have no issues sustaining cc breaks and multiple roll dodges on my sorc with 12.5k stam. It’s literally all a l2p issue, and by the looks of it it sounds like you really don’t know what you’re doing in pvp. Please do not partake in balance discussions if you have no idea what you’re talking about. Not trying to be toxic but this is ridiculously ignorant lol. 1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭lightning clench now does aoe spammable damage, meaning it gets a huge damage buff. on my sorc it is something like 8k aoe damage. for 2160. with the master destro, that goes down ~1600 cost and up to 10k+ damage. insane.0 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
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Why aren’t people just reading patch notes?
Reach is the morph that turns Touch into a long range, massive DoT.
Clench is the morph that removes the DoT and turns Touch into a CC.
By the way I am surprised how strong the Reach DoT is - does Reach have different effects depending on the staff used or was that streamlined for all three staves?Edited by Seraphayel on July 9, 2019 10:16AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0 -
frostz417✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Why aren’t people just reading patch notes?
Reach is the morph that turns Touch into a long range, massive DoT.
Clench is the morph that removes the DoT and turns Touch into a CC.
By the way I am surprised how strong the Reach DoT is - does Reach have different effects depending on the staff used or was that streamlined for all three staves?
I literally just said clench doesn’t have a dot now.
It’s even shown on pts that shock clench does not stun. So you’re incorrect on how r gained a cc0 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Why aren’t people just reading patch notes?
Reach is the morph that turns Touch into a long range, massive DoT.
Clench is the morph that removes the DoT and turns Touch into a CC.
By the way I am surprised how strong the Reach DoT is - does Reach have different effects depending on the staff used or was that streamlined for all three staves?
becuase there is an editing error in the patch motes, see here-Destructive Reach(sic) (morph): This morph retains the unique functionality for each elemental staff type you choose, but no longer deals damage over time. Flame Clench knocks the target back and stuns them for the duration; Frost Clench Immobilizes the target. Shock converts the attack into an AoE explosion, and deals our AoE damage standard.
Destructive Reach (morph): This morph increases the range to 28 meters and reduces the cost to 2430 at Rank IV.
it has reach as both morphs and some people cant make the logical jump that clench is suppose to be the one that doesnt increase the range.
reach has no specific changes based on the type of staff, outside the normal status effect proc chance.1 -
CaptainVenom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Did they change the visual effect for reach? Since it doesn't matter what element you're using anymore...🌈 Ride with Pride🌈
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭CaptainVenom wrote: »Did they change the visual effect for reach? Since it doesn't matter what element you're using anymore...
No?1 -
wheem_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
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CP-Enabled duels aren't representative of all PvP, not by a long shot.validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »Vortigaunt wrote: »validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »PVP Community: The CC meta is stupid
Also PVP community: Wait why did you remove this CC, my class is dead now
Guys... you have to embrace these changes if you want *** to get fixed, even if it means taking a nerf. Personally I hate the CC meta so much that I dont use stuns at all, so I wont be affected and my magden will be exactly the same as they where.
Wtf? Nobody was complaining about CCs in the game lmao, we were complaining SPECIFICALLY about fossilize being op and draining shot being a Zerg tool.
Reach wasn’t even a good cc to begin with, you can literally just wait the stun out for 1 second and not waste any stamina
The name of the game is simple. You spam stamina drain poisons, and stuns, until the target runs out of stamina, then you stun them and kill them. Fossilize is just the most notable way of doing it as its so its so stamina-draining efficient and plays directly into the DKs whip.
Permafrost, Ice Mages, WW Fear, Sorc Curse. Play any duel and the first thing half the duelists in the game do is opener, stun, finisher. Beat that and they'l spam you with CC until you cant break free.
Or you can just counter CC and watch your stam by using tri stat food, tri stat potion or heavy attacks from stam "weapons".
I saw many duels. Maaany. Also duels between magicka chars that where CCing each other on cooldown. Never saw someone Ran out of stam cause they watched their stamina sustain.
Hmmm, I didn't pay close attention, but I don't remember seeing numbers anywhere close to that on my Warden (no Master's Staff). What sort of gear setup is your Sorcerer in?Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »lightning clench now does aoe spammable damage, meaning it gets a huge damage buff. on my sorc it is something like 8k aoe damage. for 2160. with the master destro, that goes down ~1600 cost and up to 10k+ damage. insane.0 -
CaptainVenom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »CaptainVenom wrote: »Did they change the visual effect for reach? Since it doesn't matter what element you're using anymore...
No?
too bad
I was expecting a mixed flame/ice/shock fireball 🌈 Ride with Pride🌈
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭.Hmmm, I didn't pay close attention, but I don't remember seeing numbers anywhere close to that on my Warden (no Master's Staff). What sort of gear setup is your Sorcerer in?
3 piece of IA jewelry, 5 necropotance and maw of the infernal, with the mage mundus.1 -
Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭Phew, luckly the bow also loses the long range stun that also heals and deal respectable damage.
Oh wait...3 -
Seraphayel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Seraphayel wrote: »
Why aren’t people just reading patch notes?
Reach is the morph that turns Touch into a long range, massive DoT.
Clench is the morph that removes the DoT and turns Touch into a CC.
By the way I am surprised how strong the Reach DoT is - does Reach have different effects depending on the staff used or was that streamlined for all three staves?
I literally just said clench doesn’t have a dot now.
It’s even shown on pts that shock clench does not stun. So you’re incorrect on how r gained a cc
You can either have a knockback or an immobilize, I call that CC. If you choose to use a Lightning Staff you won’t have any CC, that’s right, still the other two staves offer them. Although I don’t know why Lightning Reach must be a spammable AoE, makes not much sense to me in the light of Impulse.Edited by Seraphayel on July 9, 2019 11:18AMPS5EUAldmeri Dominion- Khajiit Arcanist -0
