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Turn Evil - a stun for all

Synozeer
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Turn Undead (morph): This morph is now called Turn Evil, and fears any enemy in the area upon cast, rather than only Undead.

I feel this is going to be a game changer for a lot of stamina playstyles. Now any stamina build can have an area effect CC without requiring the use of weapon or class specific CC skills. The downside is that Nightblades have lost a unique class identifying skill in with Mass Hysteria's fear on demand. I'm hoping that all the homogenization of abilities and skills isn't going to go too far to where almost all the uniqueness of classes are gone.
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  • susmitds
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    Agreed
  • Mettaricana
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    Synozeer wrote: »
    Turn Undead (morph): This morph is now called Turn Evil, and fears any enemy in the area upon cast, rather than only Undead.

    I feel this is going to be a game changer for a lot of stamina playstyles. Now any stamina build can have an area effect CC without requiring the use of weapon or class specific CC skills. The downside is that Nightblades have lost a unique class identifying skill in with Mass Hysteria's fear on demand. I'm hoping that all the homogenization of abilities and skills isn't going to go too far to where almost all the uniqueness of classes are gone.

    Maybe of they homogenize ot ebough they'll just remove all classes and let us build our own and rather than drop broken classes they can just add a few new skills every patch and a quest to get them or sell instant unlocks of that skill in crown store. That way if one single skill overperforms they nerf just that instead of murder an entire class
  • Red_Feather
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    Synozeer wrote: »
    Turn Undead (morph): This morph is now called Turn Evil, and fears any enemy in the area upon cast, rather than only Undead.

    I feel this is going to be a game changer for a lot of stamina playstyles. Now any stamina build can have an area effect CC without requiring the use of weapon or class specific CC skills. The downside is that Nightblades have lost a unique class identifying skill in with Mass Hysteria's fear on demand. I'm hoping that all the homogenization of abilities and skills isn't going to go too far to where almost all the uniqueness of classes are gone.

    Maybe of they homogenize ot ebough they'll just remove all classes and let us build our own and rather than drop broken classes they can just add a few new skills every patch and a quest to get them or sell instant unlocks of that skill in crown store. That way if one single skill overperforms they nerf just that instead of murder an entire class

    You might be joking but I would love that. Reminds me of guild wars 1 which was the best build theory-crafting game I have ever played.
  • VaranisArano
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    I'm a little amused by it being "any enemy" now impacted by Turn Evil.

    My D&D roots are showing here.

    Paladin: "I turn evil!"
    DM: *consults rulebook* "No one flees, because that enemy isnt Evil."
    Paladin: "But in ESO, now everyone who's my enemy is Evil!"
  • Insco851
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    Nope nope nope nope. This can’t go live unless my magblade is getting breath of life equivalent and my dark cloak gets a cost reduction plus an 85% tool tip buff. Zos is trippin.
    Edited by Insco851 on July 8, 2019 11:53PM
  • TrinityBreaker
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    Insco851 wrote: »
    Nope nope nope nope. This can’t go live unless my magblade is getting breath of life equivalent and my dark cloak gets a cost reduction plus an 85% tool tip buff. Zos is trippin.

    Lol you can get that as soon as DK can get its reflect back, DK passives get updated and Stam DK gets a couple of more stamina morphs.
    Edited by TrinityBreaker on July 9, 2019 1:22AM
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  • templesus
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    Great change ZOS.
  • GeorgeBlack
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    This ability is a rip off of NB
    I think it should have a high cost in order for situational play.
    Basically no need to change it.
    Edited by GeorgeBlack on July 9, 2019 1:31AM
  • TrinityBreaker
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    That skill
    This ability is a rip off of NB
    I think it should have s high cost in order for situational play.

    The skill (on live) is 7987 stamina. How much more do you want it to cost?
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    Khajiit Stam Sorc - Ji'saad Ranajiradh AR 30
    Khajiit Mag DK - Kesjhad
    Khajiit Magblade - Ji'sava Ak'nir
    Fat Khajiit Stamplar - Dro'haniAk'nir - AR 36
    Khajiit Stam Dk - Diego Ri'jhad - AR 49
    Khajiit Magplar - Dro'nara Ak'nir
    Khajiit StamBlade - Ri'artharr Ak'nir
    Fat Khajiit Stamden - Dro'hani Warbreaker
    Argonian Stam DK - Tiberius Demetros
    Khajiit Stamplar - Diëgo Ri'jhad
    Fat Khajiit Stam DK - Drö'hani Ak'nir/Dances-With-Alkosh
    Khajiit Magden - Arctic Mayhem


  • Adenoma
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    That skill
    This ability is a rip off of NB
    I think it should have s high cost in order for situational play.

    The skill (on live) is 7987 stamina. How much more do you want it to cost?

    They cut the cost.

    Adenoma-Badenoma-Sadenoma
  • GeorgeBlack
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    This ability is a rip off of NB
    I think it should have s high cost in order for situational play.
    It should have never be changed?
  • Dojohoda
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    When this hits, everybody better be chugging immove pots.
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    That skill
    This ability is a rip off of NB
    I think it should have s high cost in order for situational play.

    The skill (on live) is 7987 stamina. How much more do you want it to cost?

    It would suit me just fine.
    I dont play SnB and fossilize got an increase to MP, further burdening my precious magika poll.

    Turn Undead did not need changing.
    Like I said. Rip off of nb.
    Edited by GeorgeBlack on July 9, 2019 1:34AM
  • SirAndy
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  • TheRealSniker
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    Im an NB main and I love it.
  • Insco851
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    Im an NB main and I love it.

    Stamblade? Sure of course you do. It’s better than the fear you have now and can replace it with this. AND it won’t cut into your mag pool.

    Oh that’s right... ol Gilliam at it again.
    Edited by Insco851 on July 9, 2019 2:17AM
  • frostz417
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    I wish my Mag classes had a ****ing universal stun that everyone could use, oh we have shock clench... wait nvm.
  • LeHarrt91
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    frostz417 wrote: »
    I wish my Mag classes had a ****ing universal stun that everyone could use, oh we have shock clench... wait nvm.

    And Turn Evil is AoE, Clench wasnt
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    Ye. It is a bad change. Hope devs can see it for the health of the game. Players obviously dont.
    Edited by GeorgeBlack on July 9, 2019 2:24AM
  • Xvorg
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    Ye. It is a bad change. Hope devs can see it for the health of the game. Players obviously dont.

    You know what's worst? Any ball group will have a NB puting 3 runes
    Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly

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    I took the wrong road
    That led to the wrong tendencies
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    On the wrong day of the wrong week
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  • Insco851
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    Xvorg wrote: »
    Ye. It is a bad change. Hope devs can see it for the health of the game. Players obviously dont.

    You know what's worst? Any ball group will have a NB puting 3 runes

    Runes+instant. Oof.
  • Dojohoda
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    I had a look at it on PTS. It seems to hit 6 targets. I tested on the level 1 morph, so I do not know what changes as it ramps up to 4. Anyone know?

    level 1
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    6 targets
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  • GeorgeBlack
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    Xvorg wrote: »
    Ye. It is a bad change. Hope devs can see it for the health of the game. Players obviously dont.

    You know what's worst? Any ball group will have a NB puting 3 runes

    There are so many things wrong about ESO pvp but that's a different discussion.
    Edited by GeorgeBlack on July 9, 2019 2:38AM
  • Dojohoda
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    Also nightblade runes are invisible to enemy. Is this rune is visible?
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    Might be joking in comments.
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  • Strider__Roshin
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    It's actually better than Mass Hysteria since it passively buffs your weapon damage, gives you minor protection and minor entrance. I'm going to use it on my stamblade it's so good. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would choose Mass Hysteria over it
  • Insco851
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    Nerf it so it only fears 1-2 opponents max. Increase the cost. It gives 2 great buffs as well.

    Give mass hysteria it’s snares back.
  • Xvorg
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    Dojohoda wrote: »
    Also nightblade runes are invisible to enemy. Is this rune is visible?

    Yup, but you use it when you have active runes as a panic button
    Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly

    I was born with the wrong sign
    In the wrong house
    With the wrong ascendancy
    I took the wrong road
    That led to the wrong tendencies
    I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
    For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
    On the wrong day of the wrong week
    Used the wrong method with the wrong technique
  • Xvorg
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    Daus wrote: »
    It's actually better than Mass Hysteria since it passively buffs your weapon damage, gives you minor protection and minor entrance. I'm going to use it on my stamblade it's so good. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would choose Mass Hysteria over it

    Well, I don't think any skill should provide a stun + mitigation. Stun is a kind of mitigation per se.

    It makes Rune focus a bad skill for magplar and a very bad skill for stamplar.

    In fact, pairing Restoring focus with turn evil seems like building a Palace instead of Wrobel's house.
    Edited by Xvorg on July 9, 2019 2:49AM
    Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly

    I was born with the wrong sign
    In the wrong house
    With the wrong ascendancy
    I took the wrong road
    That led to the wrong tendencies
    I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
    For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
    On the wrong day of the wrong week
    Used the wrong method with the wrong technique
  • Insco851
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    Daus wrote: »
    It's actually better than Mass Hysteria since it passively buffs your weapon damage, gives you minor protection and minor entrance. I'm going to use it on my stamblade it's so good. Kind of makes you wonder why anyone would choose Mass Hysteria over it

    Which creates the entire problem with this change.
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    Probably mostly for PvE Templar Tanks...
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