I like that I will be able to use crowns for skill lines

Attackfrog · July 2019

It's not a popular opinion on these forums it seems, but I have subbed on and off for a very long time. I HATE pushing through the pvp skill lines just to get horn or whatever meta skill i need, and I am sure my pvp teammates don't appreciate having a "pve nerd" dragging them down while I grind aps.

As you sub, you accumulate crowns and there must be other folks out there like me that aren't really interested in most of the stuff in the store, so overtime, they accumulate. Having the ability to drop them in skyshards and skill lines makes creating a new character much more fun since I don't have to grind through The same grind I have already spent countless hours doing on another character.

Sure, it would be better if they were account bound, but what else am I going to sink my monthly crowns into?

Loot crates!? Lol.

TL;dr: I like the purchasable skill lines and every pvper should love them too because you won't have us pve people farting around in your pvp maps.

Banana · July 2019

Me to. Class change next

wolf486 · July 2019

Most pvp'ers complain about how awful the performance/lag and balance is in this game. Why give zos any more money before fixing the issues?

Attackfrog · July 2019

wolf486 wrote: »

Most pvp'ers complain about how awful the performance/lag and balance is in this game. Why give zos any more money before fixing the issues?

While I totally agree,I am subbing anyway so having these skill lines is a good option for me to spend my monthly crowns on.

If I pvp'd a lot, I might be upset enough to stop. Last time I quit subbing I took over a year off because I got fed up with the bugs. Not a ton has changed but so far I am having good performance issues (NA and really only pve).

TheShadowScout · July 2019

I care little for that, either way.
As long as the choice is to either -play- for it, or -pay- for it... I'm good with that.

Its only those people who think they deserve this for free that get me all snarky...

I would not pay for mere skill lines... but if anyone wants to, hey, why not? It finances new game content for all of us, so... go for it?

Now, if they let me buy dye unlocks with crowns on the other hand... I might get tempted there...

xeNNNNN · July 2019

I am not happy with the monetary direction of the store but I am not against people buying the skill lines either. I understand some people have time constraints and others are just sick of repetition.

A lot of people are complaining because they seem to think purchasing the skill lines is like buying power with no other way to access which is simply false. They're crying p2w because its a buzzword and easy to rally people to voice anger about it. Its far from p2w and frankly anyone who thinks the skill lines are make or break for PvP then they have a L2P issue because honestly, good PvPers do not need those skill lines in order to beat an opponent who has them and they dont.

EpicRekkoning · July 2019

I agree with OP. My gaming time is limited and I haven't created certain classes because I don't want to waste my game time running around collecting lore books. I'm happy for this addition. It will allow me to play more of the game and have fun!

West1389 · July 2019

I think its very smart by zos. They figured out a way to get more money without offering a max toon. It is really genius if you think about it. A max toon what maybe 30k crowns not sure what crowns cost could be more. They get you to buy parts of the max toon and get more for it very smart seriously. They could do more and really offset all the people talking about quitting.

1. Vma weapons 20k crowns you pick, or 5k loot box random weapon.
2. Raid armor or what ever same way. 35k for the set or 5k random piece.
3. Crafting levels dont want to grind to 50 get the max for 25k.

So many options, bet they are kicking themselves for not doing this sooner.

Matthew_Galvanus · July 2019

i also agree with the OP.

i don't like having to find the same bloody lorebooks over and i think the Mages guild and Psijic guilds will be the only ones i pay to advance, simply because both require an obscene amount of time to complete, time i neither have, nor want to spend on an around the world tour, plus if im buying ESO Plus anyways, i might as well funnel those crowns into something beneficial.

kmcaj · July 2019

I can't justify buying these things. I'd rather put that money into real world objects and experiences, but it really doesn't bother me that someone else might. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to keep repeating some of these skill lines/skyshard hunting when all they want is to roll out a new way to play in their own version of endgame. I just wish these things were account wide so I could too. Without paying because I won't, well maybe in game gold...

Matthew_Galvanus · July 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

I can't justify buying these things. I'd rather put that money into real world objects and experiences, but it really doesn't bother me that someone else might. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to keep repeating some of these skill lines/skyshard hunting when all they want is to roll out a new way to play in their own version of endgame. I just wish these things were account wide so I could too. Without paying because I won't, well maybe in game gold...

yea, but if you're an ESO Plus subscriber, just spend your monthly stipend on the guild line advancements.

Bouldercleave · July 2019

I wish I knew WHY it bothers me, but it does for some reason. I guess I just see it as a decline in the game's lifecycle.

I understand the people that like the idea, it's just not for me.

Matthew_Galvanus · July 2019

West1389 wrote: »

I think its very smart by zos. They figured out a way to get more money without offering a max toon. It is really genius if you think about it. A max toon what maybe 30k crowns not sure what crowns cost could be more. They get you to buy parts of the max toon and get more for it very smart seriously. They could do more and really offset all the people talking about quitting.

1. Vma weapons 20k crowns you pick, or 5k loot box random weapon.
2. Raid armor or what ever same way. 35k for the set or 5k random piece.
3. Crafting levels dont want to grind to 50 get the max for 25k.

So many options, bet they are kicking themselves for not doing this sooner.

thanks captain sarcasm, please take your leave.

kargen27 · July 2019

I still think it will detrimental to the long term health of the game. We will see. I don't mind doing the leveling so I won't take advantage.

I do know I like PvP now and probably would not have tried it if I didn't need to go there to get certain skills. I guess making players do it all on one character might be enough?

West1389 · July 2019

Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »

West1389 wrote: »

I think its very smart by zos. They figured out a way to get more money without offering a max toon. It is really genius if you think about it. A max toon what maybe 30k crowns not sure what crowns cost could be more. They get you to buy parts of the max toon and get more for it very smart seriously. They could do more and really offset all the people talking about quitting.

1. Vma weapons 20k crowns you pick, or 5k loot box random weapon.
2. Raid armor or what ever same way. 35k for the set or 5k random piece.
3. Crafting levels dont want to grind to 50 get the max for 25k.

So many options, bet they are kicking themselves for not doing this sooner.

thanks captain sarcasm, please take your leave.

No sarcasm I would say you would be able to tell but guess you cant.

Matthew_Galvanus · July 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

I still think it will detrimental to the long term health of the game. We will see. I don't mind doing the leveling so I won't take advantage.

I do know I like PvP now and probably would not have tried it if I didn't need to go there to get certain skills. I guess making players do it all on one character might be enough?

eh, i honestly don't like PvP even after having maxed the skill lines on a couple characters, it is just so frustrating when you get potato teammates, or it feels like the other two teams in BG are ganging up on you.

overall, i will not be unhappy if i decided to buy a maxed out PvP skill line

oxygen_thief · July 2019

it should be free like champion system or became a gold sink. it should be 100k for a 1 guild level for example

Attackfrog · July 2019

TheShadowScout wrote: »

I care little for that, either way.
As long as the choice is to either -play- for it, or -pay- for it... I'm good with that.

Its only those people who think they deserve this for free that get me all snarky...

I would not pay for mere skill lines... but if anyone wants to, hey, why not? It finances new game content for all of us, so... go for it?

Now, if they let me buy dye unlocks with crowns on the other hand... I might get tempted there...

Yes! Why can't we buy dye unlocks that we have unlocked on other characters...seems like a no-brainer!

Attackfrog · July 2019

West1389 wrote: »

I think its very smart by zos. They figured out a way to get more money without offering a max toon. It is really genius if you think about it. A max toon what maybe 30k crowns not sure what crowns cost could be more. They get you to buy parts of the max toon and get more for it very smart seriously. They could do more and really offset all the people talking about quitting.

1. Vma weapons 20k crowns you pick, or 5k loot box random weapon.
2. Raid armor or what ever same way. 35k for the set or 5k random piece.
3. Crafting levels dont want to grind to 50 get the max for 25k.

So many options, bet they are kicking themselves for not doing this sooner.

I totally agree. ZOS actually has a lot of options for people to spend crowns (some are mentioned in this thread!), but some folks (like me) are (and have been) subbing for a while so we have a bunch of crowns. These skill lines give us a great crown sink without having to pay more $$.

Then there are those who would rather pay a little extra than grind the lines again. Either way, it seems everyone wins!

Attackfrog · July 2019

kmcaj wrote: »

I can't justify buying these things. I'd rather put that money into real world objects and experiences, but it really doesn't bother me that someone else might. I can understand why someone wouldn't want to keep repeating some of these skill lines/skyshard hunting when all they want is to roll out a new way to play in their own version of endgame. I just wish these things were account wide so I could too. Without paying because I won't, well maybe in game gold...

I can see this point of view. Some folks spend hundreds (thousands) of $$ on golf and golf outings...which is MIND-BLOWING to me (sun, flying balls, clubs...golf carts....NO THANK YOU!!!), yet, there are those that wish to spend their money on it. And there is a market for it! And it affects my golfing experience (limited to Top Golf) in no way.

ZOS found the same thing with this game. I spend about $15/month on it and now i have something to blow those 1650/month crowns on. The pets/mounts/style items I have no interest in...but cutting the grind? YES! (and no way in hell will I spend real $ on gamble boxes lol).

Attackfrog · July 2019

Bouldercleave wrote: »

I wish I knew WHY it bothers me, but it does for some reason. I guess I just see it as a decline in the game's lifecycle.

I understand the people that like the idea, it's just not for me.

Are you a long-time gamer? I am. And I absolutely feel the same!

You have probably noticed this type of thing a lot in newer games (as well as newer patches for older MMO's). Newer gamers don't want to grind the same content over and over again and including short-cuts (once it has been completed once) for redundant content is something that is becoming more common.

It still feels weird for me (as someone who had to "attune" to Molten Core in WoW....I am coming around to it and realizing it makes my gaming experience more fun as my time can be limited.

Attackfrog · July 2019

kargen27 wrote: »

I still think it will detrimental to the long term health of the game. We will see. I don't mind doing the leveling so I won't take advantage.

I do know I like PvP now and probably would not have tried it if I didn't need to go there to get certain skills. I guess making players do it all on one character might be enough?

I didn't mind doing the leveling either on 1 or 2 characters, but now going on 6 (that I play consistently) it gets to be a bit much. Still dislike PvP in this game (I like PvP in other games).

But it's good that you enjoy PvP! Now you can spend crowns to level up any PvE skills you need for PvP on any new characters!

Attackfrog · July 2019

West1389 wrote: »

Matthew_Galvanus wrote: »

West1389 wrote: »

I think its very smart by zos. They figured out a way to get more money without offering a max toon. It is really genius if you think about it. A max toon what maybe 30k crowns not sure what crowns cost could be more. They get you to buy parts of the max toon and get more for it very smart seriously. They could do more and really offset all the people talking about quitting.

1. Vma weapons 20k crowns you pick, or 5k loot box random weapon.
2. Raid armor or what ever same way. 35k for the set or 5k random piece.
3. Crafting levels dont want to grind to 50 get the max for 25k.

So many options, bet they are kicking themselves for not doing this sooner.

thanks captain sarcasm, please take your leave.

No sarcasm I would say you would be able to tell but guess you cant.

Stupid OP couldn't tell it was sarcasm.

Attackfrog · July 2019

oxygen_thief wrote: »

it should be free like champion system or became a gold sink. it should be 100k for a 1 guild level for example

Other games seem to do this type of thing (Warframe and Diablo to some extent) but I am not sure how they could make it account bound in this game. I think the crown cost encourages subbing, which makes sense, but they might have to revamp those skill lines to make them entirely account bound (like I wish they would do with skyshards!).

TheShadowScout · July 2019

Attackfrog wrote: »

Yes! Why can't we buy dye unlocks that we have unlocked on other characters...seems like a no-brainer!

Dyes are already account wide!
I meant, if they allowed us to purchase dyes of hard to unlock achievements... just the dyes... that would tempt me, fashion-wh... uhm... conscious person that I am when it comes to my characters.
Like for example, a load of those PvP locked dyes... I suck at the PvPness, so I -would- be tempted to pay for those if I could...

Aurielle · July 2019

I’m kind of annoyed that this system didn’t launch with Elsweyr. I definitely would have coughed up the cash to bypass the Undaunted grind on my necro.

There’s a week of my life I won’t be getting back any time soon...

it’s going to be awesome for my alts, though. I only have two characters with maxed out Mages Guild, and one character with maxed out Psijic Order. Grinding those skill lines out is a royal pain on console.

Anyone crying over this being “P2W” is welcome to try grinding out MG on multiple characters without access to the lorebooks addon. Bet you’ll barely have the patience to max it out on one character, let alone six.

Attackfrog · July 2019

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Attackfrog wrote: »

Yes! Why can't we buy dye unlocks that we have unlocked on other characters...seems like a no-brainer!

Dyes are already account wide!
I meant, if they allowed us to purchase dyes of hard to unlock achievements... just the dyes... that would tempt me, fashion-wh... uhm... conscious person that I am when it comes to my characters.
Like for example, a load of those PvP locked dyes... I suck at the PvPness, so I -would- be tempted to pay for those if I could...

Lol...stupid OP...was looking at some of those 1x use dye kits (like the leveling reward) that are character bound and didn't read your post closely enough.

I think it would upset a lot of folks to be able to get these if you hadn't earned the achievement on at least one character first. The skill lines (and skyshards) you at least have to complete on a character first.

I think making achievement linked items purchasable without first completing the achievement would ruffle a lot of feathers. But since I pretty much suck and haven't completed many noteworthy accomplishments, it wouldn't ruffle any of mine!

Cathexis · July 2019

There are ways to get through skill lines extremely fast, you really don't need to have the option to expend crowns on them.

Undaunted/mages guild/psijic/thieves/db basically anything where you have to do specific tasks should not be allowed to crown up on though.

Aurielle · July 2019

Cathexis wrote: »

There are ways to get through skill lines extremely fast, you really don't need to have the option to expend crowns on them.

How, pray tell, does one level Mages Guild “extremely fast” on console, with no access to addons, and on alts that barely have any wayshrines discovered? I’d be really interested to find out how, so you could save me some money.

JamieAubrey · July 2019

For a skill line Psijic that you have to run across EVERY ZONE just to level I like this

Cathexis · July 2019

JamieAubrey wrote: »

For a skill line Psijic that you have to run across EVERY ZONE just to level I like this

You are supposed to have to put in effort, otherwise its just flat p2w.

And yes, I think it is the biggest pain in the ass too, and I don't understand why they didn't at least attach the psijic line to the actual story of the zone, but paid bypasses are not good for the game.