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5.1.0 Heavy armor set changes

khemdog
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Seventh Legion Brute - Stamblade only now

OLD: When you take damage, you have a 10% chance to gain 500 Weapon Damage for 5 seconds and heal for 1260 Health. This effect can occur once every 2 seconds.
NEW: When you cast an ability that increases your Physical or Spell Resistance, you gain 350 Weapon Damage and 350 Health Recovery for 10 seconds. This effect can occur every 10 seconds.

Armor of the Veiled Heritance - Because we need an even more nerfed version of Armor of Truth

OLD: When you deal damage, you have a 10% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 400 for 5 seconds.
NEW: When you interrupt an enemy, you gain 500 Weapon Damage for 5 seconds.

Ravager - If you don't LA/Ransack/Bash, set is trash

OLD: When you deal melee damage, you have an 8% chance to increase your Weapon Damage by 645 for 10 seconds. This effect can occur once every 10 seconds.
NEW: Each time you attempt to reduce the target’s Physical or Spell Resistance, you gain a stack of Ravager for 5 seconds, increasing your Weapon Damage by 125. You can gain a stack every 1 second. At 4 stacks, the duration doubles but cannot be refreshed.

srsly?
Khem

  • Rake
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    Seventh - why use it over hundings that is craftable, has 300 WD all the time and more crit.
    Heritance - its trash now.
    Ravager - ransack or caltrops or boneyard spam.
    Fury - less damage with less uptime.

  • akray21
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    Seventh is now useless, why would anyone use it over Hunding's? Buff it back to at least 400 or 450, and extend the duration to 15 seconds so stam sorcs can use it.
  • Put
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    Rake wrote: »
    Seventh - why use it over hundings that is craftable, has 300 WD all the time and more crit.
    Heritance - its trash now.
    Ravager - ransack or caltrops or boneyard spam.
    Fury - less damage with less uptime.

    Did it literally ever occur to you even in the slightest that heavy armour isn't for damage? I thought it was pretty obvious to be honest...
  • Alucardo
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    akray21 wrote: »
    Seventh is now useless, why would anyone use it over Hunding's? Buff it back to at least 400 or 450, and extend the duration to 15 seconds so stam sorcs can use it.

    No thanks. For a change it might be nice not to see 90% of Cyrodiil in heavy armor cheese.
  • WildRaptorX
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    IMO I like the changes. As a Stamden I feel a lot less pressured to play with the heavy armour sets
  • Asgari
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    Most people who are mad about this change are using YouTube builds and got suckerd into spending tons of gold on these items and golding them.

    Heavy armor shouldn’t be bis for damage
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  • Alucardo
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    Asgari wrote: »
    Most people who are mad about this change are using YouTube builds and got suckerd into spending tons of gold on these items and golding them.

    Heavy armor shouldn’t be bis for damage

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  • Rake
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    Put wrote: »
    Rake wrote: »
    Seventh - why use it over hundings that is craftable, has 300 WD all the time and more crit.
    Heritance - its trash now.
    Ravager - ransack or caltrops or boneyard spam.
    Fury - less damage with less uptime.

    Did it literally ever occur to you even in the slightest that heavy armour isn't for damage? I thought it was pretty obvious to be honest...

    no U
  • olsborg
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    Totally fine with those changes, heavy armor shouldnt be bis for dmg, as someone said earlier in the thread.

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  • Tommy_The_Gun
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    It is medium & light meta time... and I will tell you all what is gonna happen.

    1 month after new update People will cry and beg for the heavy meta to return.

    That is how broken things will be....
  • Jimmy_The_Fixer
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    This isn’t a heavy armor Vs medium armor thing, it was still easy to run one of these sets and still have 5 medium.

    These 5piece bonuses were just overtuned, plain and simple.
  • Betty_Booms
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    It is medium & light meta time... and I will tell you all what is gonna happen.

    1 month after new update People will cry and beg for the heavy meta to return.

    That is how broken things will be....

    You mean medium armour meta time...
  • Lucky28
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    Asgari wrote: »
    Most people who are mad about this change are using YouTube builds and got suckerd into spending tons of gold on these items and golding them.

    Heavy armor shouldn’t be bis for damage

    I don't agree with the ravager changes. Seventh and Furry sure, but ravager?, nah. they could have just made Ravager Medium the way it procs requires you to be on the offensive all the time and not turtling.
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  • Kolzki
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    Heritance seems pretty awful now. The change is a weirdly niche proc condition for an overland set from the first AD zone. Can’t we swap heritance to medium and twin sisters to heavy instead? The 5 piece bonuses are clearly the wrong way around.

    It will be interested to see if surprise attack procs ravager for pve use. It’s hard to see how stacks can be reliably gained in pvp unless a zerg is chilling out in your caltrops. But with the caltrops nerf I see little reason to do that over running another set.
  • khemdog
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    Sets may have been overtuned, now they are worthless in most conditions.
    Fury or go home if u want heavy armor damage.
    Guess im maining stamden again
    Khem

  • Rehdaun
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    Both vh and ravager are complete trash for pve dps now. Neither was bis. Ravager was niche, useful on stamplars. Vh was a nice consolation if you were unlucky getting ay daggers. Now both are unusable.

    Yeah yeah and before you say yet again heavy armor shouldn't be a dps set then think hard about ay not getting wrecked like the other two. Why not?

    To add if you say heavy armor should not be a dps set, you must also say that medium armor shouldn't be a tank set. Yet we have alkosh.

    The game is full of inconsistencies and will continue to defy what one considers logic until the devs gets their heads out of their butts and work with the community instead of against it.
  • khemdog
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    If the game didn't have such trash performance in PvP id be all for lower TTK and medium/light armor dominant PvP builds.

    Khem

  • Reverb
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    It seemed counterintuitive that heavy armor is for damage, but zeni has been pumping out heavy sets with big damage bonuses and procs with every patch, for years now. I wonder if these set changes are just the beginning of a direction reversal, and a gradual easing away from the killer-tank meta? If so, there will be many many more upset people before they’re done, because there are many more heavy damage sets, but it’s likely to be better for overall balance.
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  • Abhaya
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    My fortified brass medium build is not disappointed.
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  • md3788
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    I guess I’m dropping ravager on my stamplar. Only 125 weapon damage if I debuff with PoTL
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  • Elric_Ashborn
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    I think 99% of people posting on this thread seem to miss a very obvious point. Heavy might not be ideal for damage but the point is to build the class and spec the way YOU want to. The route they are taking with a pretty good amount of people supporting them on this very thread seems to be very very specific class and job oriented roles, with heavy punishment for those willing to venture outside them.

    First off I apologize on ZoS behalf, I'm sorry they removed the way you choose to enjoy the game, I apologize on behalf of most on this thread unable to see that.

    If it's any solace, these changes and what they don't realize they are defending is ultimately going to backfire. To many changes good or bad means that someone (many) don't get to play in the manner in which they choose. Soon very soon in-fact you wont see anyone running weird combo setups. It will just be DPS, Healer, or Tank... which is truly unfortunate.
  • master_vanargand
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    7th may be Buff if activated in NB's Shadow Barrier.
    Ravager may be used by Stamina Templar.
    Veiled...ah...trash...
  • VagabondAngel
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    That is how broken things will be....
    Because things aren't broken now? It will only be broken if you heavy armour tank/dps/self heal crutch.
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  • Rehdaun
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    md3788 wrote: »
    I guess I’m dropping ravager on my stamplar. Only 125 weapon damage if I debuff with PoTL

    Don't forget potl has been completely broken for quite some time one of the things that Zos should be focusing on instead of stamping out nerf after nerf.
  • Baphomet
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    7th legion is NOT trash now...give it a few moments and I’m sure you can see why!

    Veiled heritance? I’m lost for words on this one though...
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  • technohic
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    7th will go good with steed and troll king. The rest kind of Suck
    Edited by technohic on July 7, 2019 5:58PM
  • Kolzki
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    It's the proc conditions that get me on these sets. The Veiled Heritance and Ravager proc conditions look so bad that the sets might as well be deleted. And it's not like ravager had a good proc chance before anyway.
  • sneakymitchell
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    Seventh legion ain’t that bad yes the thing has a 10s duration. But it’s nice to have some health recovery and damage for casting a resistance of any kind.
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  • SodanTok
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    Ravager doesnt look that bad. Any surprise attack, ransack, sub assault, caltrops, crusher glyph, PoTl, minor fracture poison will help stack it.
    Its not universally good but you can build for it and make it work.
  • Donnasnowheart_ESO
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    About time tbh
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