Another patch without Magicka buffs?

IonicKai · July 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

The only magic class I care about is magblade 😎

All the other magic class rotations are easy button lolz Nightblade rotation difficulty really doesn't feel satisfying for the price you have to pay to even get close to it. Very disappointed with all the damage nerfs we keep in getting shoveled onto us.

I have no idea what exactly happened, Magblade was the strongest Magicka build just less than a year ago. I know they nerfed Focus but what else happened that they dropped so significantly?

See it all started in Murkmire (aka Nerfmire) and just went down hill from there. They made the rotation too unforgiving and too tightly wound. Then to top it off they hurt survivability and took away some of the damage. As a result the only time they are better is during the execute window but they are a lot of work for not nearly as much reward.

Edit: fixed autocorrect issue

Seraphayel · July 2019

IonicKai wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

The only magic class I care about is magblade 😎

All the other magic class rotations are easy button lolz Nightblade rotation difficulty really doesn't feel satisfying for the price you have to pay to even get close to it. Very disappointed with all the damage nerfs we keep in getting shoveled onto us.

I have no idea what exactly happened, Magblade was the strongest Magicka build just less than a year ago. I know they nerfed Focus but what else happened that they dropped so significantly?

See it all started in Murkmire (aka Nerfmire) and just went down hill from there. They made the rotation too unforgiving and too tightly wound. Then to top it off they hurt survivability and took away some of the damage. As a result the only time they are better is during the execute window but they are a lot of work for not nearly as much reward.

Edit: fixed autocorrect issue

What exactly happened during Murkmire regarding nerfs? Didn’t play ESO during that time.

IonicKai · July 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

IonicKai wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

The only magic class I care about is magblade 😎

All the other magic class rotations are easy button lolz Nightblade rotation difficulty really doesn't feel satisfying for the price you have to pay to even get close to it. Very disappointed with all the damage nerfs we keep in getting shoveled onto us.

I have no idea what exactly happened, Magblade was the strongest Magicka build just less than a year ago. I know they nerfed Focus but what else happened that they dropped so significantly?

See it all started in Murkmire (aka Nerfmire) and just went down hill from there. They made the rotation too unforgiving and too tightly wound. Then to top it off they hurt survivability and took away some of the damage. As a result the only time they are better is during the execute window but they are a lot of work for not nearly as much reward.

Edit: fixed autocorrect issue

What exactly happened during Murkmire regarding nerfs? Didn’t play ESO during that time.

Shield nerf and sustain hits by adding a cost to the bow proc and an increase in cost for swallow soul for magblade. They also took out a lot of their dual purpose abilities such as refreshing path by taking away the damage. Some of this was fine because of elemental weapon but it introduced extra complexity to the rotation and made it harder for most people to run a good rotation and not bleed their resources dry.

berzerkdethb14_ESO1 · July 2019

Evito wrote: »

Magcro and magden are great if you put your points in stam, equip daggers and use lokkestiiz

Why do melee people come in these threads and make stupid comments like this? You want us to adapt (most of us have, we just want to do something other than melee for a change) but you are afraid to if magicka becomes the new meta? I'm assuming that's it. There can be no other reason you guys wouldn't want DPS diversity.

It is GOOD for the game if more people get to play what they enjoy. More players = more high quality content. It IS possible to balance magicka in such a way not to force everyone into it.

@ZOS a second mag weapon with dots (like the bow poisoned arrow, or make the dot ability on destro not suck) a monster helmet that doesn't force you into range to stay competitive (or remove the stupid restriction on Zaan--seriouly who thought THAT was a good idea?) boost the coefficients of magicka abilities on every magicka class but sorcerer.

Nevasca · July 2019

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

By all other content you mean vSO? It's no news stamina deals more damage there.

In vAA before bow builds people barely bothered bringing stamina in there. vHRC is so much easier with ranged+crushing shock upstairs (although tbf that fight is so bugged that most people skip it, not sure if they fixed it now though). Like you said mini trials vCR and vAS you pretty much need to be ranged to do optimal DPS as well, and at the time they were the lastest trials, the ones people cared the most of doing it and pushing scores. Most people usually don't care for old content scores, unless you really want to be top 1 in every trial in every patch.

What I'm trying to say is that we care a lot more for stamina damage because they dominate vSS, which is the last trial. I remember seeing posts complaining about stamina being not competitive in vCR, that all we had were magblades, yada yada.

Not sure about vHoF because honestly I barely touched that place, so yeah if stamina dominated two trials (vSO and vHoF) and magicka the rest, that's not really stamina dominating the meta imo.

Please tell me you are not serious.
No stam in hel ra or archives? Thats a l2p issue, perfectly fine to bring stam into hrc or aa, they perform better and can melee all bosses and also conveniently hold all the highest scores. Vmol hm nuke was done by all stam, in Hof full stam is also better if you want to be serious.

I know they are/were fine/good, I'm telling what most progression groups used to run or even demand(which is ridiculous but we know there's always those groups that are *** but demand stuff when they are not even going for scores) most of the time.

Seraphayel wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Magplar was buffed.

Yeah I mean them being the best / second best Magicka class totally warrants a buff when Magcro, Magblade, Magden and MagDK (due to taking a melee spot) are still bottom tier...

@Littlebluelizard There’s something like PvP, too. And Stamina is dominating PvP for way over a year now.

Yeah PvP stamina is best version of the classes for as long as I can remember, with MagSorc as the exception, but I think that's a whole different issue, in PvP Stam has more mobility, more freedom do dodge roll, block, they have bleeds, and so on.

Sanguinor2 · July 2019

Littlebluelizard wrote: »

I know they are/were fine/good, I'm telling what most progression groups used to run or even demand(which is ridiculous but we know there's always those groups that are *** but demand stuff when they are not even going for scores) most of the time.

But whats even the Point of mentioning that? It isnt relevant towards meta and it isnt relevant for stam and mag dps balance either.

Iskiab · July 2019

Seraphayel wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

The only magic class I care about is magblade 😎

All the other magic class rotations are easy button lolz Nightblade rotation difficulty really doesn't feel satisfying for the price you have to pay to even get close to it. Very disappointed with all the damage nerfs we keep in getting shoveled onto us.

I have no idea what exactly happened, Magblade was the strongest Magicka build just less than a year ago. I know they nerfed Focus but what else happened that they dropped so significantly?

What happened was better player information. Some guilds stacked magblades for the passive healing so ZoS nerfed refreshing path and funnel health.

Magblade has been behind since then, but players have been spouting nonsense and ignoring people who said otherwise.

Most new players were told magblade for dps at the same time they were one of the lowest classes and magplar was already higher. ESOlogs is great because there’s now an objective place to get information and people have stopped spreading misinformation.

Potential dps isn’t an opinion, people treated it like it was and there were even discussion threads about how classes stack up. It was pretty ridiculous.

berzerkdethb14_ESO1 · July 2019

Iskiab wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

Deathlord92 wrote: »

The only magic class I care about is magblade 😎

All the other magic class rotations are easy button lolz Nightblade rotation difficulty really doesn't feel satisfying for the price you have to pay to even get close to it. Very disappointed with all the damage nerfs we keep in getting shoveled onto us.

I have no idea what exactly happened, Magblade was the strongest Magicka build just less than a year ago. I know they nerfed Focus but what else happened that they dropped so significantly?

What happened was better player information. Some guilds stacked magblades for the passive healing so ZoS nerfed refreshing path and funnel health.

Magblade has been behind since then, but players have been spouting nonsense and ignoring people who said otherwise.

Most new players were told magblade for dps at the same time they were one of the lowest classes and magplar was already higher. ESOlogs is great because there’s now an objective place to get information and people have stopped spreading misinformation.

Potential dps isn’t an opinion, people treated it like it was and there were even discussion threads about how classes stack up. It was pretty ridiculous.

Same thing is still happening. You get all these stam trolls who don't want things to change coming into these threads claming that the current state of magicka is just fine or we should all just switch to stamina.

MAGICKA DPS should not be completely dead and have a purpose in the game.

ZOS why are you bothering to even make new magicka abilities on the necro and etc if you have NO intention of balancing it?

templesus · July 2019

Mag DPS isn’t dead. You can clear all content in the game on mag, some content you’ll be more likely to clear on mag then stam (vCR) and some content you’ll be more likely to complete on stam then mag (vSS). PvE is fairly balanced right now with the exception of the Colossus ultimate, and stamplar, magden, and magcro being so low on the totem pole.

FearlessOne_2014 · July 2019

Magicka Specs have been severely under performing compared to Stamina Specs for nearly 2 years now. ZOS has continued to nerf already gimped builds from a spec that is doing bad.

At this point. I simply accepted that ZOS in ESO are Anti-Mage Developers. Therefor I'm now going on month 2 without sub and one whole month of not even logging into the game.

I did adapted. I adapted by taken my time in money to a dev. team that has a title that support the Mage in my heart and it's playstyle. It's simple as that.

The performance issues I can deal with. But this complete and utter disregard. To a whole Arch-Type that is the back bones of nearly every RPG on the market. This I was only able to abide for nearly 2 years. Before enough was enough and I figured out ZOS don't like or absolutely hate Mages.

So my response on the matter was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FjWe31S_0g

Now my time and money goes to ArenaNet in Guild Wars 2 and Pearl Abyss in Black Desert Online. There is no reason for me to complain about the truth and facts on the matter.