It`s time to Stop this, ZOS

Qbiken · July 2019

Agree, we don't need more content, we need content that actually works properly. It's time for ZOS to reevaluate their plans of 4 updates/year.

MrSaxon · July 2019

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

You guys know there are more than 30 quests to do in Elsweyr?

The main quest series is only a handful of the quests in the zone. If you say you did all 30-35 quests and got the "Savior of Elsweyr" title in just 2 days, you cannot be telling the truth.

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jeah but I normally skip all dialog and rush thourh the quests?
not wasting time and listen to the endless chats and conversations....

I think we've found the problem.

I play a little of Elsweyr every day. I enjoy soaking in the conversations and getting to know the characters. I've been playing this game for years and still haven't been to Murkmire, or to Orsinium, or started the Thieve's Guild quesline, or played a Templar or Necromancer, or attempted a Trial. There's just so much for me in this game and I love that the content keeps expanding and that the stories are still out there, waiting to enchant me. I don't know why you'd play ESO if you didn't want to immerse yourself in the experience. Speedrunning through everything and complaining there's nothing left for you, whilst never becoming a part of the world, seems like such a waste to me.

SaintSubwayy · July 2019

MrSaxon wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

You guys know there are more than 30 quests to do in Elsweyr?

The main quest series is only a handful of the quests in the zone. If you say you did all 30-35 quests and got the "Savior of Elsweyr" title in just 2 days, you cannot be telling the truth.

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jeah but I normally skip all dialog and rush thourh the quests?
not wasting time and listen to the endless chats and conversations....

I think we've found the problem.

I play a little of Elsweyr every day. I enjoy soaking in the conversations and getting to know the characters. I've been playing this game for years and still haven't been to Murkmire, or to Orsinium, or started the Thieve's Guild quesline, or played a Templar or Necromancer, or attempted a Trial. There's just so much for me in this game and I love that the content keeps expanding and that the stories are still out there, waiting to enchant me. I don't know why you'd play ESO if you didn't want to immerse yourself in the experience. Speedrunning through everything and complaining there's nothing left for you, whilst never becoming a part of the world, seems like such a waste to me.

Well 2 different playstyles here, im not a Loreguy, I play the game for the hardcore endgame content and scorepushing achievements and such. Its fun for me to play like this, and I think theres nothing wrong about anyones playstyle. You like to listen to the conversations etc. which is also a aspect of the game and as long as you enjoy this thats great.

I personally didnt complain that I think its not enough content for me.
I complained about the fact, that there is less and less content in the Chapters compared to previous chapters.

If you also look at the Prices of the chapters, the flaw becomes obvious, you pay the same, or even more money and get less content. Actually this should bother everyone else but me, since I dont really care about the sotrys and the Lore....but people like you care about it, so it should bother you more than me that theres less content for the same buck

I personally wouldnt mind less Content in form of DLC dungeons. now we get 4 new DLC dungeons each Year, while IMO 2 would be enough. Instead of the other 2 DLC Dungeons they IMO should make 1 Quarter soley determined to increase performance and bugfixes and Balancing. DLC dungeons are a "problem" on their own, since their completion rate is very low, compared to other content, since they are mostly harder and less forgiving that normal dungeons are.

haelene · July 2019

Hallothiel wrote: »

You completed Elsweyr in 2 days? How? Did you sit in front on the screen 24/7 and speed run through it? Why? So you can then complain?

For quests, my wife and i devoured it in a day. I mean, it's not that much. And no, we didn't speed run it at all. We like to role play, so we would discuss decisions in character and obviously that requires reading/ listening to all the content.

It does certainly feel much smaller and much less content than before, for sure. That's not too say I didn't enjoy what's there, it just felt like it ended really quickly.

ATomiX96 · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

We get less and less content each chapter.... Please change this.

Yet they manage to make chapters (aka paywall DLC) more and more expensive everytime ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MaxJrFTW · July 2019

SirAxen wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Your content push outs are far too frequently. You just released elsweyr and soon there will be a new DLC coming to PTS.

Necromancer is still bugged af and lack luster in a lot of aspects of the game. We havent seen any improvements to this besides bash ult. And i know why, you guys were already working in the new DLC. And this needs to stop asap. You just push out unfinished content and then never take a look at it again....

Other MMOs make maybe one big content Update each year. And thats totally fine. Its well polished and contains a lot of stuff. And those games are not dying. They doing Well with this.

We can already See how the Quality is degrading with every chapter.

Morrowind was big. Huge Island, new class, new big Trial and battlegrounds.

Summerset: Quite small Island, one Guild skilline, Mini Trial.

Elsweyr: Small Zone, new Trial feels like Mini Trial (3 bosses with some mobs between), new class wich is still in beta development.

We get less and less content each chapter.... Please change this.

Remove the DLCs and only make one chapter each year. Big Ass chapter with lots and lots of content where you can spend one year to make it and fine tune it.

Northern Elsweyr is actually a larger zone than Vvardenfell. Just saying.

Are you blind?

SidraWillowsky · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

new Trial feels like Mini Trial (3 bosses with some mobs between)

It feels like a mini trial because it IS a mini trial... they just tried to cover it up. Which makes it about a thousand times more terrible than an *actual* mini trial. Three bosses with some mobs in between to make it feel more like an actual trial. The boss fights are tedious as hell because there's so much filler... Seriously, do we really need to run around 5-6 times avoiding the fire on the last boss? Maybe they're better on vet; I've only done norm. But at this point I hate SS to the point where I'd rather stick a fork through my cheek than even consider the thought of going in there on vet. If I ever manage to complete a Lokk body or weapon set, I'm never stepping foot in there again.

Huyen · July 2019

Neyane wrote: »

I agree 100% with OP and with others too. ZOS PLEASE allow me to enjoy the game. To be happy with the game. PLEASE focus on fixing the game SOONER rather than LATER.

I've been playing this game for a long long time now, I played on ps4 a lot, and moved to pc. Max level on both. I played in the closed beta. I have seen this game get worse and worse for a long time now. The reskins, the CONSTANT RESKINS. The crates. Remember when the mounts were more than just reskins? Added some other effects too. Wild hunt, storm crates. Where actual work went into them? Now it's not even proper reskins. They add a TINY thing and say "THIS IS A NEW MOUNT NOW!" Something that probably took them FIVE minutes to make and yet charge a ridiculous amount for.

Crown gem mounts. WHY Zos? WHY? Are the gamble of crown crates not enough for you? You want even MORE money? You've become so very greedy, haven't you? And what about PC EU? Still no explanations on why the server has constant issues, the bugs, the performance. The game is falling a part. I am SO upset. I love this game with all my heart, I don't want to leave it, but at times like this I just have no choice.

Take a break? Sure, but I'll return to a game that is even more broken than it currently is.

New DLC coming out, what about necro fixes? Elsweyr having more content? For a chapter is feels EMPTY. It is LESS than Morrowind, and that had a new class (warden) come with it. It is LESS than Summerset. It FEELS like Murkmire. It FEELS like the average DLC. Disappointing zos.

PvP is still f******edddd you CAN'T play it in prime time. The lag has gotten so much more worse, the bugs are increasing, and now those bugs are entering PVE CONTENT. Bosses teleport so you can't loot them, skills not going off, light attacks being turned into heavy attacks, unable to play as stam characters in end game content without completely CHANGING YOUR BUILD TO BE FULLY RANGED.

I've been upset with the game for sometime now.

Thanks for the memories.

Couldnt agree more. The content seems to be less and less each year, but still at full price.

On the reskinning-side:

ESO: Fetching the Dragontablet and suddenly appearance of Dragons.
Skryrim: Fetching the Dragonstone, and sudden appearance of Dragons. (The first dragon you fight in Skyrim is an easter-egg reference to viking lore wich is actually pretty cool).

See what I'm getting at?

Its like they ran out of ideas and just used older content in the hopes we be kept happy as most people hoped it would be like Skyrim online. Well, seems they finally got what they wanted...

Right now I'm still on the fence wheter I should buy Summerset and Eslweyr for my pc account, or just skip it all together and play something else. Wich is a shame, as I've been playing since Beta (and even longer before in the other TES games).

darkblue5 · July 2019

So by people's definition vMoL is a mini-trial? >_>

SidraWillowsky · July 2019

darkblue5 wrote: »

So by people's definition vMoL is a mini-trial? >_>

I knew people would make this argument. No.

Nemesis7884 · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Your content push outs are far too frequently. You just released elsweyr and soon there will be a new DLC coming to PTS.

Necromancer is still bugged af and lack luster in a lot of aspects of the game. We havent seen any improvements to this besides bash ult. And i know why, you guys were already working in the new DLC. And this needs to stop asap. You just push out unfinished content and then never take a look at it again....

Other MMOs make maybe one big content Update each year. And thats totally fine. Its well polished and contains a lot of stuff. And those games are not dying. They doing Well with this.

We can already See how the Quality is degrading with every chapter.

Morrowind was big. Huge Island, new class, new big Trial and battlegrounds.

Summerset: Quite small Island, one Guild skilline, Mini Trial.

Elsweyr: Small Zone, new Trial feels like Mini Trial (3 bosses with some mobs between), new class wich is still in beta development.

We get less and less content each chapter.... Please change this.

Remove the DLCs and only make one chapter each year. Big Ass chapter with lots and lots of content where you can spend one year to make it and fine tune it.

dont forget the second portion to elsweyr at the end of the year - im not saying you are not wrong but it is just fair to wait until we have all of it first before we judge

Tommy_The_Gun · July 2019

OP is right. To me it looks like "Quantity over Quality". It should be the other way around. Yes, I know you are doing your best to make the new content, but if you want to keep your players, playing the game, then you need to stop for a second and for at lest one year do something similar as One Tamriel did.

Just skip new chapter, but instead do a major overhaul to address & fix numerous bugs that accumulated over the years.

Gnozo · July 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Your content push outs are far too frequently. You just released elsweyr and soon there will be a new DLC coming to PTS.

Necromancer is still bugged af and lack luster in a lot of aspects of the game. We havent seen any improvements to this besides bash ult. And i know why, you guys were already working in the new DLC. And this needs to stop asap. You just push out unfinished content and then never take a look at it again....

Other MMOs make maybe one big content Update each year. And thats totally fine. Its well polished and contains a lot of stuff. And those games are not dying. They doing Well with this.

We can already See how the Quality is degrading with every chapter.

Morrowind was big. Huge Island, new class, new big Trial and battlegrounds.

Summerset: Quite small Island, one Guild skilline, Mini Trial.

Elsweyr: Small Zone, new Trial feels like Mini Trial (3 bosses with some mobs between), new class wich is still in beta development.

We get less and less content each chapter.... Please change this.

Remove the DLCs and only make one chapter each year. Big Ass chapter with lots and lots of content where you can spend one year to make it and fine tune it.

dont forget the second portion to elsweyr at the end of the year - im not saying you are not wrong but it is just fair to wait until we have all of it first before we judge

But that isnt part of the chapter. Thats a dlc on its own. So we can judge the chapter.

SaintSubwayy · July 2019

Nemesis7884 wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

Your content push outs are far too frequently. You just released elsweyr and soon there will be a new DLC coming to PTS.

Necromancer is still bugged af and lack luster in a lot of aspects of the game. We havent seen any improvements to this besides bash ult. And i know why, you guys were already working in the new DLC. And this needs to stop asap. You just push out unfinished content and then never take a look at it again....

Other MMOs make maybe one big content Update each year. And thats totally fine. Its well polished and contains a lot of stuff. And those games are not dying. They doing Well with this.

We can already See how the Quality is degrading with every chapter.

Morrowind was big. Huge Island, new class, new big Trial and battlegrounds.

Summerset: Quite small Island, one Guild skilline, Mini Trial.

Elsweyr: Small Zone, new Trial feels like Mini Trial (3 bosses with some mobs between), new class wich is still in beta development.

We get less and less content each chapter.... Please change this.

Remove the DLCs and only make one chapter each year. Big Ass chapter with lots and lots of content where you can spend one year to make it and fine tune it.

dont forget the second portion to elsweyr at the end of the year - im not saying you are not wrong but it is just fair to wait until we have all of it first before we judge

will prob be the same size as murkmire or CWC

which both also came in addition to chapters, which had more content and quests etc.

so the SotryDLC wont change anything about the less content form the chapters compared to previous years .

frostz417 · July 2019

Turelus wrote: »

I would much rather they slowed their releases down to focus on post update fixing, however I think they don't for two reasons.

1st they made a promise to release 4 updates a year, and most of that is tied to the value of ESO+ removing updates in the schedule would futher devalue ESO+ (after the loss of one update being made an expansion)

Also when I spoke with Rob at an event about doing an update that was entirely focused on patching we had a chat about how it isn't required as there are a lot of fixed which go into the later updates to fix issues with the previous one, and that a lot of people want to keep consuming the new content, so you would be starving those people of content.
He made a point which I agree with as well, in that while the game has a lot of bugs, most of them are not "literally unplayable" and don't effect a majority of the people playing.

Obviously we're talking bugs and not game performance here. So things like that lamp in housing not working, a skill not working correctly etc. these are huge frustrations for the people who have them, but they're not bringing the game to a halt. So it's better to run them out in updates with content than pause the game for an update to focus on bugs entirely.

As said at the start though, whilst I understand and agree their view makes sense, I would rather have two updates with six months dev time/post launch support.

Absolutely despicable that you and rob have the audacity to even think the game breaking bugs aren’t unplayable and don’t affect everyone. You literally cannot play in the 30 day in prime time because performances is such a damn joke.
When he said that it doesn’t affect most players and only a select few that just shows how pathetic this company and most of the selfish ass player base is. Doesn’t care if PvP or end game pve is nearly unplayable. Just as long as y’all can role play in your houses and waste hundreds of dollars on the clown store being absolutely useless.
Also shows you how out of touch he is with the damn game. These devs don’t play their own damn game.

Ackwalan · July 2019

ZOS splits the one big update into four sections and puts it out that way, instead of all at once.

Shawn_PT · July 2019

This is something I have been saying for a long time. I wish there was less content released. I don't personally want more content. I have not completed anything since Morrowind. Not CWC. Not Murkmire or Summerset or Elsweyr. I have not completed Cadwell's Silver. I have run the latest DLC dungeons as many times as there are fingers in one hand.

I have to admit, I found myself snorting at the new dungeons. They're not 'new'. All assets (or most) are copied from other areas of the game. Exactly like Wrathstone I guess. IIRC the last dungeon DLC that had completely new assets/content was Horns of the Reach, and to a lesser extent Dragon Bones. From then on it's only copied environments and recycled enemies with some different colors.

New puzzle where you have to push blocks around. 'OMG where do you come up with these awesome ideas???' Guys... really? Just pick up a random platform/puzzle/adventure game released a couple decades ago and you'll find push-the-block' puzzles.

I felt interested when vampires were mentioned but then.... a big bad all-powerful dragon 'helplessly trapped' under a handful of pebbles and just stands there, not even trying to wriggle free.

I'm not complaining about the quests/stories. Only about the amount of effort that feels is being put into new content. It definitely feels like it's been steadily decreasing.

Anyway I digress. I have been spending more time on another game and the frequency of their patches to fix bugs and add QoL is dazzling. Most of the bugs I wasn't even aware existed. And they release content even faster than ZOS. It IS possible to fix older content while still releasing new. It just takes commitment and the will to do so. Something I don't really believe this particular company has.

gepe87 · July 2019

Shawn_PT wrote: »

This is something I have been saying for a long time. I wish there was less content released. I don't personally want more content. I have not completed anything since Morrowind. Not CWC. Not Murkmire or Summerset or Elsweyr. I have not completed Cadwell's Silver. I have run the latest DLC dungeons as many times as there are fingers in one hand.

Anyway I digress. I have been spending more time on another game and the frequency of their patches to fix bugs and add QoL is dazzling. Most of the bugs I wasn't even aware existed. And they release content even faster than ZOS. It IS possible to fix older content while still releasing new. It just takes commitment and the will to do so. Something I don't really believe this particular company has.

Yep..QoL is more important than a dozen DLC dungeons that once you finish you never want to come back and pray that you dont find it in random dungeon queue.

Wifeaggro13 · July 2019

Gnozo wrote: »

Your content push outs are far too frequently. You just released elsweyr and soon there will be a new DLC coming to PTS.

Necromancer is still bugged af and lack luster in a lot of aspects of the game. We havent seen any improvements to this besides bash ult. And i know why, you guys were already working in the new DLC. And this needs to stop asap. You just push out unfinished content and then never take a look at it again....

Other MMOs make maybe one big content Update each year. And thats totally fine. Its well polished and contains a lot of stuff. And those games are not dying. They doing Well with this.

We can already See how the Quality is degrading with every chapter.

Morrowind was big. Huge Island, new class, new big Trial and battlegrounds.

Summerset: Quite small Island, one Guild skilline, Mini Trial.

Elsweyr: Small Zone, new Trial feels like Mini Trial (3 bosses with some mobs between), new class wich is still in beta development.

We get less and less content each chapter.... Please change this.

Remove the DLCs and only make one chapter each year. Big Ass chapter with lots and lots of content where you can spend one year to make it and fine tune it.

Milllllllk mode. They gonna keep selling happy meals as long as you buy them. And your right smaller population premium games give you far more in their expansions . Right now zos is content leaving the game in this stagnant state. Eso is not a deep emerging game it's a vast ocean that's 2 feet deep in all directions . I dont see this changing I think they are quite happy with their development cost vs profit unfortunately .

Ri_Khan · July 2019

Hold up! Are they charging another $40 for Southern Elsweyr?!?!

idk · July 2019

Most people complain about not getting content. Very few complain about actually getting new content or how it is delivered.

Wifeaggro13 · July 2019

idk wrote: »

Most people complain about not getting content. Very few complain about actually getting new content or how it is delivered.

I think the issue is cost vs value compared to lesser games with smaller development

Seraphayel · July 2019

Ri_Khan wrote: »

Hold up! Are they charging another $40 for Southern Elsweyr?!?!

No, just the usual ESO Plus fee or another $20 in Crowns.

Rain_Greyraven · July 2019

Given all the temper tantrums on the forums one must wonder what some folks home lives are actually like.....

Malprave · July 2019

All of you are committed to trying to convince as many people as possible that the game is an unplayable, buggy mess lacking in content. This is simply not true and in spite of you Eso continues to gain in popularity. Go back to your handlers and tell them you’ve failed. Wow is dead. Long live the Elder Scrolls Online.

SidraWillowsky · July 2019

Shawn_PT wrote: »

New puzzle where you have to push blocks around. 'OMG where do you come up with these awesome ideas???' Guys... really? Just pick up a random platform/puzzle/adventure game released a couple decades ago and you'll find push-the-block' puzzles.

Oh god, having serious traumatic flashbacks to the water temple in Ocarina of Time. Imagine that in an ESO pug dungeon run...

MehrunesFlagon · July 2019

Turelus wrote: »

I would much rather they slowed their releases down to focus on post update fixing, however I think they don't for two reasons.

1st they made a promise to release 4 updates a year, and most of that is tied to the value of ESO+ removing updates in the schedule would futher devalue ESO+ (after the loss of one update being made an expansion)

Also when I spoke with Rob at an event about doing an update that was entirely focused on patching we had a chat about how it isn't required as there are a lot of fixed which go into the later updates to fix issues with the previous one, and that a lot of people want to keep consuming the new content, so you would be starving those people of content.
He made a point which I agree with as well, in that while the game has a lot of bugs, most of them are not "literally unplayable" and don't effect a majority of the people playing.

Obviously we're talking bugs and not game performance here. So things like that lamp in housing not working, a skill not working correctly etc. these are huge frustrations for the people who have them, but they're not bringing the game to a halt. So it's better to run them out in updates with content than pause the game for an update to focus on bugs entirely.

As said at the start though, whilst I understand and agree their view makes sense, I would rather have two updates with six months dev time/post launch support.

Some bugs they have to find the fix for,and that's done by entirely different people anyway.

MehrunesFlagon · July 2019

MrSaxon wrote: »

SaintSubwayy wrote: »

YaYaPineapple wrote: »

You guys know there are more than 30 quests to do in Elsweyr?

The main quest series is only a handful of the quests in the zone. If you say you did all 30-35 quests and got the "Savior of Elsweyr" title in just 2 days, you cannot be telling the truth.

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jeah but I normally skip all dialog and rush thourh the quests?
not wasting time and listen to the endless chats and conversations....

I think we've found the problem.

I play a little of Elsweyr every day. I enjoy soaking in the conversations and getting to know the characters. I've been playing this game for years and still haven't been to Murkmire, or to Orsinium, or started the Thieve's Guild quesline, or played a Templar or Necromancer, or attempted a Trial. There's just so much for me in this game and I love that the content keeps expanding and that the stories are still out there, waiting to enchant me. I don't know why you'd play ESO if you didn't want to immerse yourself in the experience. Speedrunning through everything and complaining there's nothing left for you, whilst never becoming a part of the world, seems like such a waste to me.

Well I for one do want some of the things associated with speed run achievements.So there is that.Of course that doesn't apply to all content either.

MehrunesFlagon · July 2019

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Gnozo wrote: »

new Trial feels like Mini Trial (3 bosses with some mobs between)

It feels like a mini trial because it IS a mini trial... they just tried to cover it up. Which makes it about a thousand times more terrible than an *actual* mini trial. Three bosses with some mobs in between to make it feel more like an actual trial. The boss fights are tedious as hell because there's so much filler... Seriously, do we really need to run around 5-6 times avoiding the fire on the last boss? Maybe they're better on vet; I've only done norm. But at this point I hate SS to the point where I'd rather stick a fork through my cheek than even consider the thought of going in there on vet. If I ever manage to complete a Lokk body or weapon set, I'm never stepping foot in there again.

Honestly heard from a few friends that have completed,and they say it's not that hard.

HereKittehKitteh · July 2019

Malprave wrote: »

All of you are committed to trying to convince as many people as possible that the game is an unplayable, buggy mess lacking in content. This is simply not true and in spite of you Eso continues to gain in popularity. Go back to your handlers and tell them you’ve failed. Wow is dead. Long live the Elder Scrolls Online.

yeah we're all here complaining about how atrocious the servers are, not because they're atrocious, but because we're all collaborating in attempt to convince others they are atrocious.