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✭✭✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »My wife and son are taking a vacation trip to Europe while I keep working and care for our small zoo of pets, so I can spend a hundred or two on crowns for myself.
This is why zos does not hear us when it comes to performance issues ....I'm starting to get fed up of forums. I dont understand how people can be so exited over cosmetics and keep spending their cash on this trash heap of code
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✭ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
People spending money on cosmetics in real life to look or smell good for one day and then wash it away. Would you tell a person not to spend money irl on cosmetics and buy a car instead? People want to look good, in game or not. If it's not your cup of tea - don't, but also don't act like we're some bunch of insane ijits if we want to look good.5 -
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✭✭✭✭ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
People spending money on cosmetics in real life to look or smell good for one day and then wash it away. Would you tell a person not to spend money irl on cosmetics and buy a car instead? People want to look good, in game or not. If it's not your cup of tea - don't, but also don't act like we're some bunch of insane ijits if we want to look good.
Better example, a car dealership sells cars, and little bits of memorabilia on the side. As time goes on, they start offering more and pricier memorabilia, then they sell mystery boxes with a collection of ‘random’ memorabilia.
All the while, the quality of their cars goes down. Sometimes the cars won’t start, sometimes the breaks don’t work, sometimes the mirrors move around so you can’t tell where things are, they constantly break down.
People who bought those cars would reasonably be angry that these cars aren’t working, especially when they see how lucrative the memorabilia sales have become.
“Why aren’t you improving your cars?” they ask.
And the people who’ve been drawn in by the memorabilia and hooked on the slots, tell them “Stop bothering them about the cars. We’re trying to enjoy these knickknacks.” and feed the company tons of money despite their product continually getting worse.4 -
TiaFrye✭✭✭✭✭
✭ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
People spending money on cosmetics in real life to look or smell good for one day and then wash it away. Would you tell a person not to spend money irl on cosmetics and buy a car instead? People want to look good, in game or not. If it's not your cup of tea - don't, but also don't act like we're some bunch of insane ijits if we want to look good.
Better example, a car dealership sells cars, and little bits of memorabilia on the side. As time goes on, they start offering more and pricier memorabilia, then they sell mystery boxes with a collection of ‘random’ memorabilia.
All the while, the quality of their cars goes down. Sometimes the cars won’t start, sometimes the breaks don’t work, sometimes the mirrors move around so you can’t tell where things are, they constantly break down.
People who bought those cars would reasonably be angry that these cars aren’t working, especially when they see how lucrative the memorabilia sales have become.
“Why aren’t you improving your cars?” they ask.
And the people who’ve been drawn in by the memorabilia and hooked on the slots, tell them “Stop bothering them about the cars. We’re trying to enjoy these knickknacks.” and feed the company tons of money despite their product continually getting worse.
Ugh... Only that not everyone like or need cars. People still bying iPhone and after 6s it's a crap without headphones hole.
But i don't buy iPhones or cars, I buy freaking lipstick. Your experience might differ from mine drastically because the quests and cosmetics I get for my money spent are satisfying. Yet. When I'm not satisfied I will not spend my money on it. I didn't bought not a single Xanmeer crate because I didn't like the theme and contents, a few items I need I've had gems for.
So, you will judge me based on what I find interesting in this game or maybe by my decision to spend the money I've earned on to whatever I want? I want to look good, I want my characters to look according to my vision while I log in and do questing sometimes. I might not be a perfect ESO player, but why on Earth you are should decide what should I do with my account? "They'll come for you too" you'll say. Well, when it happens, when I'm not happy with the direction story take, I won't byu a chapter or DLC. I won't buy a crate roll If I'm not happy with what the crate has to offer. People in this game spend millions on assistants because they want to save time, fast vampire-werewolf swap in Cyro because they want to save time, character slots for 101 build and I'm the villain for a simple wish to look good? Wow.Edited by TiaFrye on July 4, 2019 2:57AM5 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭@bluebird
This game was sold as an mmo fighting game. Period.
I'm strictly a pvper Ive spent my fair share on crowns , housing and a + membership over the past 3+years. This game makes them money hand over fist. "They are killing it"
I'm sorry I dont buy that playing dress up and role playing is bigger and more important than killing things. Dye station housing and the ridiculous crown store updates were added later.
They were not and should not ever be what sits at the top of the list of importance in this game.
From my perspective it looks like it's more important to push a greedy business model instead of producing a properly functioning product. And that tells me all i need to know about zos.
I look for loyalty. Imo Zos has failed by making this amazing game less and less responsive to the point I cant play competitively. Even after all the money I've spent .....
Again we only *** about it because we do care.
The game is not functioning properly and it's only a matter of time before it is prevalent in ALL facets. If eso is only being kept alive to milk customers role play and or for the fashion aspect it honestly should be taken offline....
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Totally wrong analogy. To say that ESO is a car dealership with broken cars (because obviously the main obligation of a car dealership is to sell functioning cars) you'd have to make the case that ESO is an open world PVP game that needs to have functioning open world PvP without lag. Clearly the situation is not black and white as you describe. A better analogy would be to compare ESO to a toy shop.ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
People spending money on cosmetics in real life to look or smell good for one day and then wash it away. Would you tell a person not to spend money irl on cosmetics and buy a car instead? People want to look good, in game or not. If it's not your cup of tea - don't, but also don't act like we're some bunch of insane ijits if we want to look good.
Better example, a car dealership sells cars, and little bits of memorabilia on the side. As time goes on, they start offering more and pricier memorabilia, then they sell mystery boxes with a collection of ‘random’ memorabilia.
All the while, the quality of their cars goes down. Sometimes the cars won’t start, sometimes the breaks don’t work, sometimes the mirrors move around so you can’t tell where things are, they constantly break down.
People who bought those cars would reasonably be angry that these cars aren’t working, especially when they see how lucrative the memorabilia sales have become.
“Why aren’t you improving your cars?” they ask.
And the people who’ve been drawn in by the memorabilia and hooked on the slots, tell them “Stop bothering them about the cars. We’re trying to enjoy these knickknacks.” and feed the company tons of money despite their product continually getting worse.
While the toy shop originally sold toy cars, plushies and dolls, it has expanded over the years to include more types of toys, including shiny toys. More importantly, while originally people had to pay for all the toys that were available, now people don't have to, and can come into the store every day to play with the cars, plushies and dolls for free. They still have the option to pay for the toys of course, but the only toys that people have to pay for are the new shiny toys.
Over time, after more and more people come to the store, and after the management repaints the walls and rearranges the shelves the couple of times, some toys are experiencing more frequent problems. The toy cars for example don't go vroom vroom as fast as they used to. Other toys like dolls and plushies are still working fine though, because they don't require any batteries whatsoever. And the expensive shiny toys of course 'work', even though they don't actually have any function other than looking pretty.
People who only come to the toy shop to play with the vroom vroom cars start to complain to other toy shoppers "How dare you enjoy your plushies and shiny toys when the cars don't go vroom vroom as much anymore?" And the people who play with the free plushies and dolls, and the people who play with the expensive shiny toys reply, "I'm sorry to hear your cars aren't going vroom vroom as much, cars should do that, that is indeed a problem. But my toys are fine and I like these toys so I will play with the ones that work for free, or buy them if they are the shiny toys and I like the way they look."
And still the dejected vroom vroom car fans grumble under their breath glaring angrily at people who dare to have fun at the toyshop, "You people are the problem with the toy shop! Stop enjoying the toys you like that work if my very specific favourite toys aren't as good as they used to be!" Any reasonable adult of course looks at these silly children with their toyshop vendetta and sees this complaint for the infantile pettiness it is. The End.
I hope the analogy highlighted how your example was flawed and how this one lines up much better with a game with several different activities that everyone just plays for fun, and which may at times experience issues and bugs. But obviously, nobody is telling people who complain about game performance to 'stop bothering ZOS with complaints, we're trying to enjoy the Crown Store' so that's a pretty weak attempt at strawmanning people who happen to have no issues in their chosen gamestyles (e.g. overworld questing, housing, crafting, whatever) and are willing to buy toys they enjoy. The situation is quite the opposite, it's the car-lovers that moan about others having fun and giving money to the toy shop (money that pays for the repaints and shelf rearrangements btw, while many people show up to play vroom vroom cars for free).Edited by bluebird on July 4, 2019 3:40AM10 -
PrayingSeraph✭✭✭✭✭magictucktuck wrote: »ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
I know I probably sound like a fanboy, but I would say the same for other games, although I have a hard time wrapping my head around spending money on a phone game... or even playing one lol.. Plus I don't buy crown crates but I buy specific cosmetic Items.
I don't spend a lot of money on going out to dinner or movies which can be $100 for one night. so even If I spent $100 a month on ESO I would be saving money. For some people I know they go out every weekend. So you could even go as far to say I could spend $100 a week on ESO and still be saving money and get more entertainment for my money. For the people who do spend money on it we don't care that it will be gone one day, we know that. Its about enjoying our entertainment time. EVERYTHING you spend money on will be gone one day, most things with in 5 minutes. So its a better deal.
So freaking true!
Heck the amount of $$$ many people spend on alcohol on a monthly basis is insane. And like many things, once you consumed it, its gone.
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TiaFrye✭✭✭✭✭
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Totally wrong analogy. To say that ESO is a car dealership with broken cars (because obviously the main obligation of a car dealership is to sell functioning cars) you'd have to make the case that ESO is an open world PVP game that needs to have functioning open world PvP without lag. Clearly the situation is not black and white as you describe. A better analogy would be to compare ESO to a toy shop.ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
This is exactly what I don't understand. People are spending money for cosmetic items that are trapped in a virtual world that will one day be gone and even while it still runs... runs like trash.
People spending money on cosmetics in real life to look or smell good for one day and then wash it away. Would you tell a person not to spend money irl on cosmetics and buy a car instead? People want to look good, in game or not. If it's not your cup of tea - don't, but also don't act like we're some bunch of insane ijits if we want to look good.
Better example, a car dealership sells cars, and little bits of memorabilia on the side. As time goes on, they start offering more and pricier memorabilia, then they sell mystery boxes with a collection of ‘random’ memorabilia.
All the while, the quality of their cars goes down. Sometimes the cars won’t start, sometimes the breaks don’t work, sometimes the mirrors move around so you can’t tell where things are, they constantly break down.
People who bought those cars would reasonably be angry that these cars aren’t working, especially when they see how lucrative the memorabilia sales have become.
“Why aren’t you improving your cars?” they ask.
And the people who’ve been drawn in by the memorabilia and hooked on the slots, tell them “Stop bothering them about the cars. We’re trying to enjoy these knickknacks.” and feed the company tons of money despite their product continually getting worse.
While the toy shop originally sold toy cars, plushies and dolls, it has expanded over the years to include more types of toys, including shiny toys. More importantly, while originally people had to pay for all the toys that were available, not people don't have to, and can come into the store every day to play with the cars, plushies and dolls for free. They still have the option to pay for the toys of course, but the only toys that people have to pay for are the new shiny toys.
Over time, after more and more people come to the store, and after the management repaints the walls and rearranges the shelves the couple of times, some toys are experiencing more frequent problems. The toy cars for example don't go vroom vroom as fast as they used to. Other toys like dolls and plushies are still working fine though, because they don't require any batteries whatsoever. And the expensive shiny toys of course 'work', even though they don't actually have any function other than looking pretty.
People who only come to the toy shop to play with the vroom vroom cars start to complain to other toy shoppers "How dare you enjoy your plushies and shiny toys when the cars don't go vroom vroom as much anymore?" And the people who play with the free plushies and dolls, and the people who play with the expensive shiny toys reply, "I'm sorry to hear your cars aren't going vroom vroom as much, cars should do that, that is indeed a problem. But my toys are fine and I like these toys so I will play with the ones that work for free, or buy them if they are the shiny toys and I like the way they look."
And still the dejected vroom vroom car fans grumble under their breath glaring angrily at people who dare to have fun at the toyshop, "You people are the problem with the toy shop! Stop enjoying the toys you like that work if my very specific favourite toys aren't as good as they used to be!" Any reasonable adult of course looks at these silly children with their toyshop vendetta and sees this complaint for the infantile pettiness it is. The End.
I hope the analogy highlighted how your example was flawed and how this one lines up much better with a game with several different activities that everyone just plays for one, and which may at times experience issues and bugs. But obviously, nobody is telling people who complain about game performance to 'stop bothering ZOS with complaints, we're trying to enjoy the Crown Store' so that's a pretty weak attempt at strawmanning people who happen to have no issues in their chosen gamestyles (e.g. overworld questing, housing, crafting, whatever) and are willing to buy toys they enjoy. The situation is quite the opposite, it's the car-lovers that moan about others having fun and giving money to the toy shop (money that pays for the repaints and shelf rearrangements btw, while many people show up to play vroom vroom cars for free).
Thank you, exactly my thoughts. It's a perfect analogy.
Really, gyus, your answer to the question "Why?" is the same as for your question on performance. People buying cosmetics, for characters and houses, to look good. To feel comfortable. You're feeling comfortable when performance is good, I get it. But your freedom ends where my freedom begins. You're free to close your sub, not to play at all as much as me are free to buy what I want when I want it. Maybe I don't get a lot of things that you are liking such as PVP or high-end difficulty. But I don't create threads or wondering around their threads to mock players who enjoy it.4 -
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This game was sold as an mmo fighting game. Period.
I'm strictly a pvper Ive spent my fair share on crowns , housing and a + membership over the past 3+years. This game makes them money hand over fist. "They are killing it"
I'm sorry I dont buy that playing dress up and role playing is bigger and more important than killing things. Dye station housing and the ridiculous crown store updates were added later.
They were not and should not ever be what sits at the top of the list of importance in this game.
From my perspective it looks like it's more important to push a greedy business model instead of producing a properly functioning product. And that tells me all i need to know about zos.
I look for loyalty. Imo Zos has failed by making this amazing game less and less responsive to the point I cant play competitively. Even after all the money I've spent .....
Again we only *** about it because we do care.
The game is not functioning properly and it's only a matter of time before it is prevalent in ALL facets. If eso is only being kept alive to milk customers role play and or for the fashion aspect it honestly should be taken offline....
This game was sold as mmo, which is short for mmorpg. Period. There's no such thing as a 'fighting game' in mmorpgs, for a fighting game look at Tekken or Mortal Combat or whatever. And I'm not sure if you're aware but the fully voiced single player story with consequences played a teeny tiny bit of a huge major role in ESO's advertisement seeing as the TES series is an RPG.
I would also humbly request that you, like others in this thread, exercise careful reading comprehension skills. I'm unsure for example where anybody said that dress-up and role playing are 'bigger and more important' than killing things. They're not bigger, they're just different types of gameplay than just killing things. And these separate aspects of the game can function independently from each other. Nobody said that they are, or should be 'at the top of the list of importance' in this game.
Also remember that not everybody is affected by every issue. Every time I could personally not log in for example (EU/Steam, that's me, hello, how do you do) there was a far greater number of people who were doing perfectly fine ingame at the same time. Every time the group finder tool bugs out, there are crafters getting mats without any issues, traders making millions without issues, questers questing, rpers roleplaying, housing fans furnishing, etc, all without issues. And if somebody is adventuring through their alliance story zones and likes the game and decides to buy a shiny pony while you suffer in a laggy BG, that still isn't an affront to you, nor is it a denial of the performance issues.
And to reiterate what literally everybody has told you people, yes, your issues are still issues and they should be fixed. If we could snap our fingers to make cyro lag disappear, we would, even though I never PvP. Obviously nobody is saying that fixing issues isn't important. But kindly take your complaints to the dozens upon dozens of dedicated complaint threads, instead of inserting yourself into a topic that's clearly about the new crown crates and about how OP liked the items. When there are issues with the game, I complain about it plenty as well. But I didn't show up to PvP forums and tell you people off that 'omg how can you enjoy PvP when the furniture permissions are broken and our houses are being ruined'. So you guys need to chill out and stop attacking others for having the audacity to not encounter performance problems personally and still being able to enjoy the game. And it's not like ZOS aren't aware of the issues, they made countless threads about and constantly address their plans for trying to salvage the situation (most recently in their ESO Live yesterday).9 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Worst crates yet. There's nothing good other than the spider mount."I don't know you, and I don't care to know you."
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jadarock✭✭✭✭✭We can match wall of texts all night or we can agree to disagree. We fight in this game , you can do many many other very cool things but the games premise is based around combat. Wtf how are we arguing this.
I'll repeat The game runs like dog *** for alot of players and it's only getting worse.
To continue to play and also give zos money is to encourage this negligent behavior.
There are alot of us speaking up now if you cannot understand our stance I cannot help you my friend
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TiaFrye✭✭✭✭✭
✭We can match wall of texts all night or we can agree to disagree. We fight in this game , you can do many many other very cool things but the games premise is based around combat. Wtf how are we arguing this.
I'll repeat The game runs like dog *** for alot of players and it's only getting worse.
To continue to play and also give zos money is to encourage this negligent behavior.
There are alot of us speaking up now if you cannot understand our stance I cannot help you my friend
Speak. But don't attack us for having other priorities.6 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭We can match wall of texts all night or we can agree to disagree. We fight in this game , you can do many many other very cool things but the games premise is based around combat. Wtf how are we arguing this.
I'll repeat The game runs like dog *** for alot of players and it's only getting worse.
To continue to play and also give zos money is to encourage this negligent behavior.
There are alot of us speaking up now if you cannot understand our stance I cannot help you my friend
They're not buying crates to support ZOS, regardless of what they say (notwithstanding how bizarre a concept 'donating' to a billion dollar company as if they're a charity is). They're buying crates because they are gambling addicts with poor impulse control. And ZOS is counting on it.4 -
jadarock✭✭✭✭✭Yes you are right these "priorities" are definitely what's needed for the health and longevity of the game we all love. ..smh
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Linaleah✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭that game. is based. around. developing. your. character. the bulk of the content is quests. voiced. quests. even dungeons have voiced quests and continuous story. I mean dungeons 1 and 2 are not just numbers, they are litteraly continous stories, where 2 is a litteral continuation of the story that happened in 1.
you ignoring these vast amounts of content, doesn't some how negate that game is largely based around it. around Elder Scrolls lore, etc. it does NOT negate that first and foremost - this game is an Role. Playing. Game.
and herein lays the crux of an argument. content YOU enjoy is not working well, and its totaly understandable to have an issue with that, however, where you lose people is when you essentially go "this is the content I enjoy and therefore, this is the core of the game and everything else is just inconsequential and people playing this game - for YEARS for all that other stuff? must be playing the wrong game becasue all that other stuff holds no interest for YOU. that is a very myoptic outlook to have.
and once again, NO one is saying that they shouldn't fix issues with parts of the game that are broken, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. all we are saying is that there are people who happen to enjoy parts of the game that are not as broken and THAT is their prerogative. including spending money on it.
here's an example for you.
I hate onions. HATE them. not a fan of the smell or taste and even when they are super well hidden and cooked, they still make my stomach ache.
what you are doing here would be the equivalent of me yelling at people who are ordering french onion soup at a restaurant - soup that is one of its specialties no less even if its not specifically french restaurant, and telling them that they are wrong and how can they spend money on that junk and they should just go to a different restaurant if they enjoy onion soup so much.
dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***7 -
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If you cannot understand that 'runs like dog *** for a lot of players' does not mean that it runs like dog *** for all players, or even the majority of players, I cannot help you my friend. And it If you still think that people who engage in content that works perfectly shouldn't purchase content they like, then it's not a matter of agreeing to disagree, you're just simply wrong in your reasoning.We can match wall of texts all night or we can agree to disagree. We fight in this game , you can do many many other very cool things but the games premise is based around combat. Wtf how are we arguing this.
I'll repeat The game runs like dog *** for alot of players and it's only getting worse.
To continue to play and also give zos money is to encourage this negligent behavior.
There are alot of us speaking up now if you cannot understand our stance I cannot help you my friend
Do you know how many times Crown Store items are bugged? Often. But going to a vet HM thread and shaming them for purchasing the newest Dungeon DLC when my headdress doesn't show up is ridiculous. Do you know that the furnishing permissions have been repeatedly broken, undoing the many hours and weeks of work people spent on their homes? Would it make sense for housing fans to march over to a crafting topic and command all the crafters to stop paying for their ESO+ sub right now because paying for a crafting bag while the entire furnishing system is unstable is negligent behavior?
No it wouldnt make any sense. Just like it doesn't make sense when a PvPer such as yourself comes to a crown crate discussion thread to complain about how people dare to spend money on the game while PvP is laggy.
There's always going to be some issue somewhere in the game, and expecting everybody to boycott the entire game because parts of it don't work for some people is ridiculously short-sighted entitlement. So please, get thee to a performance thread and complain away, but stuff the paranoid belittling about people negligently ruining the game when all they're doing is having fun with things that work perfectly fine for them. Otherwise we might as well crucify all the people who bought Elsweyr and ran the Sunspire trial while the dungeon finder tool has been consistently broken. I mean how dare they?
And how dare you engage in PvP while Xbox players in Australia were having login issues? Shame on you. (Clearly that's sarcasm but your misguided complaints about people not boycotting the game in solidarity with some issues are just as absurd). 5 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭that game. is based. around. developing. your. character. the bulk of the content is quests. voiced. quests. even dungeons have voiced quests and continuous story. I mean dungeons 1 and 2 are not just numbers, they are litteraly continous stories, where 2 is a litteral continuation of the story that happened in 1.
you ignoring these vast amounts of content, doesn't some how negate that game is largely based around it. around Elder Scrolls lore, etc. it does NOT negate that first and foremost - this game is an Role. Playing. Game.
and herein lays the crux of an argument. content YOU enjoy is not working well, and its totaly understandable to have an issue with that, however, where you lose people is when you essentially go "this is the content I enjoy and therefore, this is the core of the game and everything else is just inconsequential and people playing this game - for YEARS for all that other stuff? must be playing the wrong game becasue all that other stuff holds no interest for YOU. that is a very myoptic outlook to have.
and once again, NO one is saying that they shouldn't fix issues with parts of the game that are broken, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. all we are saying is that there are people who happen to enjoy parts of the game that are not as broken and THAT is their prerogative. including spending money on it.
here's an example for you.
I hate onions. HATE them. not a fan of the smell or taste and even when they are super well hidden and cooked, they still make my stomach ache.
what you are doing here would be the equivalent of me yelling at people who are ordering french onion soup at a restaurant - soup that is one of its specialties no less even if its not specifically french restaurant, and telling them that they are wrong and how can they spend money on that junk and they should just go to a different restaurant if they enjoy onion soup so much.
Using gambling mechanics to sell digital goods within a game is manipulative, predatory and greedy. Your onion soup analogy is ridiculous. You can try to justify your addiction any way you like, the rest of us are free to voice our disgust at what this kind of predatory monetization is doing to the gaming industry.
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Nice try to nudge the discussion towards an obvious low hanging fruit, but the complaints aren't about the gambling of crown crates at all. People are complaining about players spending money on the game, not about the ethical dilemma of justifying randomized lootcrates.
Using gambling mechanics to sell digital goods within a game is manipulative, predatory and greedy. Your onion soup analogy is ridiculous. You can try to justify your addiction any way you like, the rest of us are free to voice our disgust at what this kind of predatory monetization is doing to the gaming industry.that game. is based. around. developing. your. character. the bulk of the content is quests. voiced. quests. even dungeons have voiced quests and continuous story. I mean dungeons 1 and 2 are not just numbers, they are litteraly continous stories, where 2 is a litteral continuation of the story that happened in 1.
you ignoring these vast amounts of content, doesn't some how negate that game is largely based around it. around Elder Scrolls lore, etc. it does NOT negate that first and foremost - this game is an Role. Playing. Game.
and herein lays the crux of an argument. content YOU enjoy is not working well, and its totaly understandable to have an issue with that, however, where you lose people is when you essentially go "this is the content I enjoy and therefore, this is the core of the game and everything else is just inconsequential and people playing this game - for YEARS for all that other stuff? must be playing the wrong game becasue all that other stuff holds no interest for YOU. that is a very myoptic outlook to have.
and once again, NO one is saying that they shouldn't fix issues with parts of the game that are broken, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. all we are saying is that there are people who happen to enjoy parts of the game that are not as broken and THAT is their prerogative. including spending money on it.
here's an example for you.
I hate onions. HATE them. not a fan of the smell or taste and even when they are super well hidden and cooked, they still make my stomach ache.
what you are doing here would be the equivalent of me yelling at people who are ordering french onion soup at a restaurant - soup that is one of its specialties no less even if its not specifically french restaurant, and telling them that they are wrong and how can they spend money on that junk and they should just go to a different restaurant if they enjoy onion soup so much.
Or perhaps I'm wrong and all these 'but the performance is bad, how can you ignore that' and 'this game is a broken heap of code, how can you be even excited for cosmetics' and 'you are ruining the game by playing into ZOS's exploitation' comments would be absolutely fine with it if people spent 10k crowns on direct purchase pets while lag was breaking all BGs? In that case I stand corrected. But the content of the comments here clearly indicate that they would not support giving ZOS money for cosmetics at all, lootcrate or directly purchased.9 -
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✭I also want to point out that boycotting something won't help ZOS employees and won't give them personally, not the big heads but people who work hard in the shadows, any more motivation to work for free while you want your discounted 10$ game to work and don't spent any more than that 10$ on it life service further.6 -
halucin0g3n✭✭✭✭I also want to point out that boycotting something won't help ZOS employees and won't give them personally, not the big heads but people who work hard in the shadows, any more motivation to work for free while you want your discounted 10$ game to work and don't spent any more than that 10$ on it life service further.
Stop crying for ZOS employees. They probably have double or triple your salary. Stop with this non-sense. No one cares about Jimmy in cubical 3. All of them are ZOS.5 -
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✭halucin0g3n wrote: »I also want to point out that boycotting something won't help ZOS employees and won't give them personally, not the big heads but people who work hard in the shadows, any more motivation to work for free while you want your discounted 10$ game to work and don't spent any more than that 10$ on it life service further.
Stop crying for ZOS employees. They probably have double or triple your salary. Stop with this non-sense. No one cares about Jimmy in cubical 3. All of them are ZOS.
I'll stop when you stop trying to force people like me to spent their money your way, to play the game your way and view things your way. Then we'll talk.Edited by TiaFrye on July 4, 2019 4:59AM8 -
halucin0g3n✭✭✭✭halucin0g3n wrote: »I also want to point out that boycotting something won't help ZOS employees and won't give them personally, not the big heads but people who work hard in the shadows, any more motivation to work for free while you want your discounted 10$ game to work and don't spent any more than that 10$ on it life service further.
Stop crying for ZOS employees. They probably have double or triple your salary. Stop with this non-sense. No one cares about Jimmy in cubical 3. All of them are ZOS.
I'll stop when you stop trying to force people like me to spent their money your way, to play the game your way and view things your way. Then we'll talk.
I don't care what you spend your money on. i never told you anything about your money.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭that game. is based. around. developing. your. character. the bulk of the content is quests. voiced. quests. even dungeons have voiced quests and continuous story. I mean dungeons 1 and 2 are not just numbers, they are litteraly continous stories, where 2 is a litteral continuation of the story that happened in 1.
you ignoring these vast amounts of content, doesn't some how negate that game is largely based around it. around Elder Scrolls lore, etc. it does NOT negate that first and foremost - this game is an Role. Playing. Game.
and herein lays the crux of an argument. content YOU enjoy is not working well, and its totaly understandable to have an issue with that, however, where you lose people is when you essentially go "this is the content I enjoy and therefore, this is the core of the game and everything else is just inconsequential and people playing this game - for YEARS for all that other stuff? must be playing the wrong game becasue all that other stuff holds no interest for YOU. that is a very myoptic outlook to have.
and once again, NO one is saying that they shouldn't fix issues with parts of the game that are broken, NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. all we are saying is that there are people who happen to enjoy parts of the game that are not as broken and THAT is their prerogative. including spending money on it.
here's an example for you.
I hate onions. HATE them. not a fan of the smell or taste and even when they are super well hidden and cooked, they still make my stomach ache.
what you are doing here would be the equivalent of me yelling at people who are ordering french onion soup at a restaurant - soup that is one of its specialties no less even if its not specifically french restaurant, and telling them that they are wrong and how can they spend money on that junk and they should just go to a different restaurant if they enjoy onion soup so much.
Using gambling mechanics to sell digital goods within a game is manipulative, predatory and greedy. Your onion soup analogy is ridiculous. You can try to justify your addiction any way you like, the rest of us are free to voice our disgust at what this kind of predatory monetization is doing to the gaming industry.
the problem is, you are NOT voicing disgust at the company. you are voicing disgust at people - players CHOOSING TO SPEND THEIR MONEY IN A WAY YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH. you are yelling at people who are enjoying customizing their RPG characters, and telling US that we are playing the wrong game. so nice try with moving goalposts here, but no cigar.dirty worthless casual.
Lois McMaster Bujold "A Civil Campaign"Reputation is what other people know about you. Honor is what you know about yourself. Guard your honor. Let your reputation fall where it will. And outlive the ***7 -
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✭✭✭ClawOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »How can people throw money at loot boxes knowing the game is in a *** poor state? It's obvious the money isn't going into fixing performance, but they do it anyway. It just lets Zo$ know that you'll give them your money even if bugs and other issues never get fixed.
ZOS was smart to cater to a segment of the population that performance doesn't matter much: RP, alt-quester, & housing.
Housing is the worst thing that could have happened to this game.
Ignorant statement.
Performance does matter to housing people, as most housing people aren't only furnishers.
Most do lots of other things, too.
For one thing, they're trying to do dragons, right now, for furnishing plans...
Plus the money from housing and furnishing has no doubt been one of the main things keeping this game going.
Despite the fact it is overpriced.3 -
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✭✭✭Just to add, I'm a "housing person" and I constantly complain about lag and bugs.
You're welcome.4
