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del9
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I know this has been discussed in certain comments but I think it needs to be highlighted its own thread.
Lock the CP 7-Day campaign and open the CP 30-Day campaign. This would have a few advantages:
First: This will help spread the PVP population across more servers. The current model of faction lock has done the opposite. This is evident in the no-cp and 30 day cp populations on PCNA, and also EU from what I’ve been told
- The hardcore AVA minority will have a place to compete with other like-minded players. You can see the frustration against “brainless” players who are not AVA objective focused in any faction’s zone chat. AVA enthusiasts will no longer have to post these angry messages to zone.
- This will not effect the general population negatively who either don’t care about locking factions or are vehemently opposed.
- ESO CUSTOMERS who have purchased the product and spent hundreds/thousands hrs leveling characters will be able to use the full product and all their characters on a populated server.
- 7-day campaign duration will make each day of AVA more significant and therefore more competitive.
- Friends can play with all their friends on a populated server!
Any feedback to make this suggestion better is appreciated.
Lock the CP 7-Day campaign and open the CP 30-Day campaign. This would have a few advantages:
First: This will help spread the PVP population across more servers. The current model of faction lock has done the opposite. This is evident in the no-cp and 30 day cp populations on PCNA, and also EU from what I’ve been told
- The hardcore AVA minority will have a place to compete with other like-minded players. You can see the frustration against “brainless” players who are not AVA objective focused in any faction’s zone chat. AVA enthusiasts will no longer have to post these angry messages to zone.
- This will not effect the general population negatively who either don’t care about locking factions or are vehemently opposed.
- ESO CUSTOMERS who have purchased the product and spent hundreds/thousands hrs leveling characters will be able to use the full product and all their characters on a populated server.
- 7-day campaign duration will make each day of AVA more significant and therefore more competitive.
- Friends can play with all their friends on a populated server!
Any feedback to make this suggestion better is appreciated.
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Hashtag_✭✭✭✭✭I feel like after 2-3 cycles of the current camp being locked that switching it up to properly test and record numbers would be ideal to see how faction locking effects both.1
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The 30 day campaign is the one that actually takes sustained effort on the part of the faction working together to win.
7 day, on the other hand, thematically seems perfect for the people who DGAF about objectives or campaign score. They can do whatever they like and the score resets every 7 days.Edited by VaranisArano on July 1, 2019 1:42PM12 -
del9✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »The 30 day campaign is the one that actually takes sustained effort on the part of the faction working together to win.
How is 30 day and 7 day different in this regard? By sustained you mean it just takes a longer time?
I don’t really disagree that the 7Day is good for people who DGAF, but the fact is the campaign almost never has above the nominal population bars. If they implemented this, wouldn’t you think the population in the 7-day would pick up?Edited by del9 on July 1, 2019 1:49PMPCNA0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If the faction loyalists truly care for faction lock, they will move to the 7 days17 -
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »The 30 day campaign is the one that actually takes sustained effort on the part of the faction working together to win.
7 day, on the other hand, thematically seems perfect for the people who DGAF about objectives or campaign score. They can do whatever they like and the score resets every 7 days.
On the other hand it´s much easier to discourage the opposition with an early lead on 30 days effectively reducing the competition for the remaining time.<Noricum>
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On the other hand it´s much easier to discourage the opposition with an early lead on 30 days effectively reducing the competition for the remaining time.
Yes, a great example of this is NO-cp on PC NA. DC zerged hard and fast early on, and since then it seems all other factions vacated the campaign. PrimeTime na time on a Sunday night both EP and AD had only 1 bar population.
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GeneralSezme✭✭✭✭Hard core AvA ppl should be mad that every 30 days the faction power shifts dramatically with everyone flocking to the "weaker" faction to get "good fights."
The first month this change rolled out EP was the strongest faction, now in the 2nd month of this, DC is the strongest because people want to help the weaker faction.
Can't believe this was a thing years ago zos can roll back, but they can't roll back the lag.SpoilerNotable toons:
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Yes, a great example of this is NO-cp on PC NA. DC zerged hard and fast early on, and since then it seems all other factions vacated the campaign. PrimeTime na time on a Sunday night both EP and AD had only 1 bar population.
There was a time when people would swap factions to help balance the map but that was stopped due to faction locks. So why log in?Former Guild Leader Darkest RequiemDutchessx - Sorcerer - EP NADütchess - Templar - DC NADutchess of Lost Souls - DC NAThe Dark Dutchess- Sorcerer - DC NAÐutchess - Templar - DC NAAlways beware the sound of hooves in the nightRemember Haderus
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There was a time when people would swap factions to help balance the map but that was stopped due to faction locks. So why log in?
I’m not sure but I hear you defend ghost division who is the primary cause of the campaign being dead.Edited by Hashtag_ on July 1, 2019 4:48PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The reason that the 30 day is more popular is because you get more phat loots in the 30 day.
Has nothing to do with anything elseTl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭The reason that the 30 day is more popular is because you get more phat loots in the 30 day.
Has nothing to do with anything else
That's certainly the case for the ultra-casual "I just want my Tier 1 transmute geodes and then I'm gone for the rest of the month" crowd.
The "I just want good fights" crowd stays in the 30 day campaign for the good fights...which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because if no one gpes to foght in the 7 day campaign, they won't ever get the fights they want over there.2 -
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✭✭If the faction loyalists truly care for faction lock, they will move to the 7 days
If the faction hoppers really cared about playing with their friends, they would join the 7 day campaign as is. But the faction hoppers don't really wanna play with friends, they want Cyrodil to be something they can "farm". ZOS has decided that if you want to farm Cyrodil, you're gonna have to work extra hard for it.10 -
MipMip✭✭✭✭I know this has been discussed in certain comments but I think it needs to be highlighted its own thread.
Lock the CP 7-Day campaign and open the CP 30-Day campaign. This would have a few advantages:
First: This will help spread the PVP population across more servers. The current model of faction lock has done the opposite. This is evident in the no-cp and 30 day cp populations on PCNA, and also EU from what I’ve been told
- The hardcore AVA minority will have a place to compete with other like-minded players. You can see the frustration against “brainless” players who are not AVA objective focused in any faction’s zone chat. AVA enthusiasts will no longer have to post these angry messages to zone.
- This will not effect the general population negatively who either don’t care about locking factions or are vehemently opposed.
- ESO CUSTOMERS who have purchased the product and spent hundreds/thousands hrs leveling characters will be able to use the full product and all their characters on a populated server.
- 7-day campaign duration will make each day of AVA more significant and therefore more competitive.
- Friends can play with all their friends on a populated server!
Any feedback to make this suggestion better is appreciated.
Many thanks to the OP for this suggestion. While there are various ways of replacing the current faction locks with a mode that will support different play styles in a much better way your particular suggestion is excellent!
Thanks also for pointing out that as customers we should have the option of using the full product we paid for an invested a lot of time in.PC EU ∙ PC NA
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✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
That's certainly the case for the ultra-casual "I just want my Tier 1 transmute geodes and then I'm gone for the rest of the month" crowd.
The "I just want good fights" crowd stays in the 30 day campaign for the good fights...which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because if no one gpes to foght in the 7 day campaign, they won't ever get the fights they want over there.
Can we at least to agree to stop with the nonsense of "I just want good fights"?
Those people don't exist in this game. Really be honest with yourself, if you wanted "good fair fights" you would either play battleground death match exclusively or you would find another game.
This game is not, has not and never will be balanced around "fair 1v1 me bro" or even guild v guild. It's a AvAvA game and thats how it is set up.
Why do people go to the 30 day? Because thats where the best rewards are, so thats where the "ultra-casual" go, so thats where the uber-pro l33t go to stroke their own egos fighting said casuals.
If there actually were players that only cared about "fighting fair" and "good fights" none of these conversations would ever happen, those people would not care about the level of rewards, would not care about the adulation they get from lesser skilled players when they are witnessed 1v6 around a tree.
If you are reading this and you are thinking: Nooooo I just want good fights bro. You are lying to yourself, if that was the motivation there wouldn't be that pushback, you would be campaigning to find good fights, not make it easier to find easy fights on the populated campaigns.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.10 -
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Can we at least to agree to stop with the nonsense of "I just want good fights"?
Those people don't exist in this game. Really be honest with yourself, if you wanted "good fair fights" you would either play battleground death match exclusively or you would find another game.
This game is not, has not and never will be balanced around "fair 1v1 me bro" or even guild v guild. It's a AvAvA game and thats how it is set up.
Why do people go to the 30 day? Because thats where the best rewards are, so thats where the "ultra-casual" go, so thats where the uber-pro l33t go to stroke their own egos fighting said casuals.
If there actually were players that only cared about "fighting fair" and "good fights" none of these conversations would ever happen, those people would not care about the level of rewards, would not care about the adulation they get from lesser skilled players when they are witnessed 1v6 around a tree.
If you are reading this and you are thinking: Nooooo I just want good fights bro. You are lying to yourself, if that was the motivation there wouldn't be that pushback, you would be campaigning to find good fights, not make it easier to find easy fights on the populated campaigns.
So...I'm not in the boat of "I just want good fights." I play faction loyal for EP, always have, and guess what? I think I find plenty of good fights all the time for EP and if we can't find them, we make them.
But its certainly the case that there are a good portion of players who claim that they "just want good fights." These are the "I swapped to play the underdog" group.
Maybe you are okay with calling those players liars, but I really haven't found that to be super helpful when it comes to having a constructive conversation. SO I generally take them at their word that the played multifaction because they wanted good fights and that they stay in the 30 day instead of the 7 day because they want "good fights." (with the unfortunately side effect that the 7 day won't have the fights they want unless people go over there to fight.)
That being said, in my experience its perfectly possible to find good fights and make good fights while members of a single faction.2 -
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I’m not sure but I hear you defend ghost division who is the primary cause of the campaign being dead.
Yes the guild that only runs on Friday and Saturday nights when there is actual pvp is to blame. especially when our average size is 12-14. or maybe you mean the small man of random tabards that run during the week. It might be hard to believe but we were all working on EP toons before the faction lock so that we could swap and get better fights when DC was zerging too hard. Faction lock hurts anyone who wants to have good fights. Even entire guilds.AFTERMATH GM1 -
Derra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
That's certainly the case for the ultra-casual "I just want my Tier 1 transmute geodes and then I'm gone for the rest of the month" crowd.
The "I just want good fights" crowd stays in the 30 day campaign for the good fights...which becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because if no one gpes to foght in the 7 day campaign, they won't ever get the fights they want over there.
I want loot on my 9 chars that it pvp on.
Then i also like to play for the campaign and gold rewards with the chars and faction i play for more than a day at a time.
Also the argument of good fight crowd stays is somewhat nonsense. There simply isn´t enough population to fill a 2nd campaign. Not even during primetime at the moment.
Talking about a second campaign being playable is simply not in the realm of possibilities of the games current pvp population. There is no point to talk about it. The players that would be needed simply do not exist.<Noricum>
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✭There was a comment before faction lock was enabled and it was.
1. Faction lock will spread out the population
I saw this comment a lot. Based on the first campaign on XBOX NA I can say the population stayed the same.
30 day CP always full
30 day Non-cp always emply
7 day CP moderatly populated.
Changing the faction lock the 7 day cp IMO will not change population spread (all though I really wanted the faction lock on the 7 day because performance is way better there). Reversing faction lock will not spread population.
I think this comes down to reward as I read a lot here and notice that the transmute cystals comes up a lot for the reason someone who disliles faction lock stays in the faction lock campaign. Then the same person may mention that the 7 day is a dead server or their friends dont play on the seven day
I really think the best answer is look at where people play per platform and make the appropriate changes.
ZOS said in other posts creating the campaigns is easy so I think we can get some more custom campaigns. For example on XBOX NA very few people play 30 day No cp. Dumping this campaign for ankther 30 day standard unlock would be a nice idea.
The PC and playstation versions I am sure differ and may require different decisions.
As far as is faction lock better? I will say it is way less toxic.. Way less. I was amazed how much less toxic chat was in zone and hiw well the map was playing. Yes performance is terrible on the 30 day but the players get along.
If ZOS decided to move faction lock to the 7 day I would play on it in a second.XBOX NA
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dtsharples✭✭✭✭✭No
Simply, if you don't care for the score, health of the campaign or faction loyalty go to the 7 day where it doesn't matter.Edited by dtsharples on July 1, 2019 11:00PM5 -
josh.lackey_ESO✭✭✭✭✭dtsharples wrote: »No
Simply, if you don't care for the score, health of the campaign or faction loyalty go to the 7 day where it doesn't matter.
Yes
Simply, if you care most about the score, unhealthy campaigns, and faction loyalty go to the 7 day campaign which is locked.Edited by josh.lackey_ESO on July 2, 2019 1:26AM2 -
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Can we at least to agree to stop with the nonsense of "I just want good fights"?
Those people don't exist in this game. Really be honest with yourself, if you wanted "good fair fights" you would either play battleground death match exclusively or you would find another game.
This game is not, has not and never will be balanced around "fair 1v1 me bro" or even guild v guild. It's a AvAvA game and thats how it is set up.
Why do people go to the 30 day? Because thats where the best rewards are, so thats where the "ultra-casual" go, so thats where the uber-pro l33t go to stroke their own egos fighting said casuals.
If there actually were players that only cared about "fighting fair" and "good fights" none of these conversations would ever happen, those people would not care about the level of rewards, would not care about the adulation they get from lesser skilled players when they are witnessed 1v6 around a tree.
If you are reading this and you are thinking: Nooooo I just want good fights bro. You are lying to yourself, if that was the motivation there wouldn't be that pushback, you would be campaigning to find good fights, not make it easier to find easy fights on the populated campaigns.
Very presumptuous. Do you often speak for people you don't know, or is this a one time thing? I like good fights, and pushing outward after a faction is on the ropes. I often used to look at the map and head to Cyro on a faction that was gated, or near to.
These days though, the pop. imbalance means a lot of time you just head in to get zergstomped. Or the map simply doesn't move at all for hours on end. Now that, I'm not particularly interested in.ManwithBeard9 wrote: »
If the faction hoppers really cared about playing with their friends, they would join the 7 day campaign as is. But the faction hoppers don't really wanna play with friends, they want Cyrodil to be something they can "farm". ZOS has decided that if you want to farm Cyrodil, you're gonna have to work extra hard for it.
Trolling? In off peak there's not enough people to even justify ONE server, let alone there be enough to split pops.
Edited by Mr_Walker on July 2, 2019 2:31AM4 -
Miriel✭✭✭✭Mods , please merge all these threads, this is just getting anoying...
as far as i know there isnt going to be any changes...Edited by Miriel on July 2, 2019 11:54AM2 -
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✭✭Would be Pretty amusing tbh, but would have the same result as pro faction locks People telling us to just go to 7 days Campaign.Politeness is respecting others.
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✭✭✭✭✭dtsharples wrote: »No
Simply, if you don't care for the score, health of the campaign or faction loyalty go to the 7 day where it doesn't matter.
Implying the 30 day campaigns are healthier now with locks......lmao
(Apparently they're better on console, but who cares about console tbh)
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HelloImplying the 30 day campaigns are healthier now with locks......lmao
(Apparently they're better on console, but who cares about console tbh)
Faction loyalty is a roleplay/immersive feature and nothing else.
Console player here - You know, one of the millions of people you "don't care about" that help pay for the current and future development of the game. (It would be a sad game indeed without our money too)
Faction loyalty IMHO is all about team spirit. And when you're playing on a team, whether football, basketball, baseball etc. chances are you're not permitted to wander over to the other side mid-game because your team is losing at half time.
But luckily, there are non-locked campaigns too - so with ESO you really can play however you want
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✭Hundreds of players, more or less randomly assigned to a colour, for some part not even knowing each each other, with completely different motivations and goals and coming and going as they please, are hardly a team.
And even if factions would be some sort of team by a very lose definition, they certainly aren't anywhere close to an actual team in competitive sports, so that comparison doesn't make much sense.Edited by Rianai on July 2, 2019 9:54PM2
