The DPS Salt Mine

Aznarb · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

I don't care how much DPS she is doing, I wanted to do a dungeon with her. She can be doing 2k DPS and I'd still want to do a dungeon with her. I do however get annoyed and want to start punching when I see some insignificant individual start moaning about how there isn't enough DPS.

Selfish at is finest.
End of this discussion for me, we know where is the problem.

Edit : do normal DG then.

D0PAMINE · June 2019

@Kalgert Wish you guys were PC NA so you could run content with me. Sorry you both had a bad experience.

D0PAMINE · June 2019

Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

I am on PC-EU and tanked this dungeon today in a PUG.

I am happy to tank vet dungeons with any kind of dd and do the pledges dailly.

Yesterday I tanked vet blackheart haven with two dd, one was 810cp and the other was level 12.

My account name is @VerbalEarthworm if you ever need a tank.

A level 12 in a Vet Dungeon? What?

zvavi · June 2019

Ok now. I don't mind carrying bad players sometimes. We all started from somewhere. But if the other dd has less than 10k damage on a dummy (#vet falkreath hold). I am going to tell him/her after the vet dlc dungeon that he/she needs to work on her dps before queuing for a vet dlc. I mean ye, you can due most of them. They are not that hard. But when you are going in a pug group, unless you have a friend which is enough to pull the weight for two dds, it is not okay to the other team members. And i promise you, that wiping again and again, because few of the members are not pulling the weight, is no fun.
But as long as it doesn't cause any wipes, and team is managing, it should be fine.

Salvas_Aren · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Huh, quite a few comments have been made durimg the time of me sleeping. Some of them from people that I probably wouldn't want to help if they were stuck on the side of the road

Kel wrote: »

It's ironic that your first sentence was about a past thread of you complaining about low dps, but apparently because it was your girlfriend this time, it's somehow alright.

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

Can't have it both ways. If you're going to be salty about low dps, you should make sure your girlfriend can meet your own expectations before you drag her into vet 2 anything. Or, have the same expectations you had bringing your girlfriend with you for random pugs. But you can't be both. That's just hypocritical.

I don't care how much DPS she is doing, I wanted to do a dungeon with her. She can be doing 2k DPS and I'd still want to do a dungeon with her. I do however get annoyed and want to start punching when I see some insignificant individual start moaning about how there isn't enough DPS.

Stebarnz wrote: »

Do normal until you learn the game, alternatively I have to waste my time carrying and it gets old.

30k dps is very easy, you can do with heavy attacks! I have no sympathy.

X to Doubt on the heavy attacks claim, unless it's really going through a specialized build.

And let us think about it... Do normals, which are ***-easy and are boring, or do Veteran dungeons that actually provide a challenge? I think the latter choice is better

Muzzick wrote: »

Why was wayrest 2 vet the first dungeon you decided to do together?

It was the dungeon we got from the random dungeon finder

ArchMikem wrote: »

One stranger tries to kick her for not melting mobs and she takes it so hard she logs out.

The dude was an a-hole like every other dps monger but your GF should try and grow some thicker skin as well.

She simply has no desire to deal with children, that is all.

Zacuel wrote: »

Have you considered dumping your gf for someone who can dps better? Sounds like that'd fix everything.

I hope you never meet someone in your life to share a kinship together, or that you get dumped yourself. That is not only unfunny, but really disrespectful to someone to tell over something so stupid as a videogame MMO.

But hey, you probably are already single and have no one in your life, which would explain why you'd think this is such a topical "Joke".

Zacuel wrote: »

You both sound...

Just awful.

And you sound like an idiot, what about it? Neither of us pretend to be this "Perfect player" that some people imagine. Too much effort to do that. Better to be just ourselves. Don't like it? Then eat me.

And now you wonder why ppl prefer the penalty over you two?

If you where on my team, me and #4 would leave the dungeon for pickpocketing while you die to the trash again and again. Yes. Dungeon, not group.

Now ragetype some puny reply.

Muzzick · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Huh, quite a few comments have been made durimg the time of me sleeping. Some of them from people that I probably wouldn't want to help if they were stuck on the side of the road

Kel wrote: »

It's ironic that your first sentence was about a past thread of you complaining about low dps, but apparently because it was your girlfriend this time, it's somehow alright.

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

Can't have it both ways. If you're going to be salty about low dps, you should make sure your girlfriend can meet your own expectations before you drag her into vet 2 anything. Or, have the same expectations you had bringing your girlfriend with you for random pugs. But you can't be both. That's just hypocritical.

I don't care how much DPS she is doing, I wanted to do a dungeon with her. She can be doing 2k DPS and I'd still want to do a dungeon with her. I do however get annoyed and want to start punching when I see some insignificant individual start moaning about how there isn't enough DPS.

Stebarnz wrote: »

Do normal until you learn the game, alternatively I have to waste my time carrying and it gets old.

30k dps is very easy, you can do with heavy attacks! I have no sympathy.

X to Doubt on the heavy attacks claim, unless it's really going through a specialized build.

And let us think about it... Do normals, which are ***-easy and are boring, or do Veteran dungeons that actually provide a challenge? I think the latter choice is better

Muzzick wrote: »

Why was wayrest 2 vet the first dungeon you decided to do together?

It was the dungeon we got from the random dungeon finder

ArchMikem wrote: »

One stranger tries to kick her for not melting mobs and she takes it so hard she logs out.

The dude was an a-hole like every other dps monger but your GF should try and grow some thicker skin as well.

She simply has no desire to deal with children, that is all.

Zacuel wrote: »

Have you considered dumping your gf for someone who can dps better? Sounds like that'd fix everything.

I hope you never meet someone in your life to share a kinship together, or that you get dumped yourself. That is not only unfunny, but really disrespectful to someone to tell over something so stupid as a videogame MMO.

But hey, you probably are already single and have no one in your life, which would explain why you'd think this is such a topical "Joke".

Zacuel wrote: »

You both sound...

Just awful.

And you sound like an idiot, what about it? Neither of us pretend to be this "Perfect player" that some people imagine. Too much effort to do that. Better to be just ourselves. Don't like it? Then eat me.

I just think queing random veteran isn't the first thing to do when doing dungeons together for the first time. On the other hand, normal dungeons can be incredibly easy with four people and I can see why you (as many others do) may have wanted to do vet having CP and gear.

While I personally as a DPS don't really mind carrying others at all, I've been on the other side not very long ago and I personally didn't enjoy being kicked/carried/complained about either. It ultimately motivated me to be a better player (not an amazing player by any means). Now this is up to you if you want to do this or not, but I would really recommend start doing normal dungeons with her just the two of you it would be both fun and productive, and provide a more challenging intermediate compared to a four person normal dungeon.

mairwen85 · June 2019

What was total group dps?

I've pulled 60-70% in pugs on many occasions where group dps is in the region of 60k... Things take longer, but it's no harder than an even split.

Had a farming run in Coa1 where the tank decided to bash the whole group for 55k. I was responsible for 80% in that group, ~44k. The reaction and vitriol was funny to me because it basically meant we had one member sub par and another with no clue how to read cmx. It was no skin off my nose and a tank is pretty much useless in that dps paradise, so couldnt take offense tbh. The other dps took it to heart and mouthed back - - name calling ensued. I hung around after to help the guy out, but he did not want advice, he just blamed the tank incessantly. The salt is spilt in many directions

I've also had runs where I've been below 30%, purely out performed by a guy pulling much bigger numbers.

I've done trials where my contribution is 20%, and some where 10%... Most 12-14%. Its all relative and skewed by the numbers around you and buffs/debuffs present. Dps is a group effort.

Unless you actually understand the read out and numbers, cmx has no value at all.

eg 80% of 10k is still only 8k.

To judge this scenario objectively, we need all the information.

FakeFox · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

It's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k.

Totally not, it's you being salty about your GF doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k. Completely different thing.

LadySinflower · June 2019

So here's what I think (I know you're all waiting anxiously to hear! (sarcasm)). When you PUG you have no idea who you are going to get grouped with. It's literally the luck of the draw. You're going to get grouped with low DPS players because more people queue as DPS. People do that because they know they have no idea how to be a tank or a healer and the DPS role seems like the most nonspecific role you can choose (you can argue whether or not that's true - not my point). There are people queuing into vet dungeons when they shouldn't because some youtuber told them they MUST have blah blah blah gear or weapon which can only be obtained in vet content. So while I understand being annoyed when that happens and you get stuck with someone who's underpowered for the content, you absolutely do not have to be an a-hole. If you don't like who you're grouped with in PUGs, you can leave. Either run with people you know meet your standard, or keep PUGing and STFU. YOU were a beginner once and need to realize there are beginners out there. If you must say something, say it nicely. Don't be a jerk. This supposed 80% DPSer is a jacka$$.... I'd defend my SO against him too. Keep running dungeons together, help her work on her rotation and DPS, and shut down anyone who insults either of you.

david_m_18b16_ESO · June 2019

Personaly as long as I can finish the dungeon I won't kick but I will provide advice and if I mustc arry really hard one of the advice will be to wait till you can get betther or get bether gear b4 trying another vet.

If she has problem hitting the good numbers you might just try to over gear her. Upgrade everything to legendary even jewelry. I know its costly but personaly thats what I did with my GF so she wouldn't quite right away playing everquest 2 with me bac in the days :-)

Humancentipede2 · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

Standard is 40k, before that its just not good. What is more important than your gear is your rotation.

Fang_of_Lorkhaj · June 2019

Well uh, dont know how to break to ya, but the standard ain't 25k lol

Girl_Number8 · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

2 of you 1 of him you should of kicked him if you could, lol.

If he was a good dps he would of been low-key and nuked everything, that is an easy dungeon to do. The few times I pug idc because I can melt stuff, so there is no reason to get upset. Unless there is a mech that requires people to cooperate together and they don't listen, causing wipes even after the mech has been thoroughly explained.

Cx join a friendly guild and you will have a better gaming experience while you get better. Good luck

Salvas_Aren · June 2019

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

2 of you 1 of him you should of kicked him if you could, lol.

If he was a good dps he would of been low-key and nuked everything, that is an easy dungeon to do. The few times I pug idc because I can melt stuff, so there is no reason to get upset. Unless there is a mech that requires people to cooperate together and they don't listen, causing wipes even after the mech has been thoroughly explained.

Cx join a friendly guild and you will have a better gaming experience while you get better. Good luck

You recommend a friendly raid guild to the OP? He would get thrown out instantly.

Viscous119 · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

If she is using pets, she should use Necropotence which will increase her DPS by making the pets more powerful. Mothers sorrow is mainly for jewelry.

Viscous119 · June 2019

Viscous119 wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

If she is using pets, she should use Necropotence gear which will increase her DPS by making the pets more powerful. Mothers sorrow is mainly for jewelry.

Viscous119 · June 2019

Viscous119 wrote: »

Viscous119 wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

david_m_18b16_ESO · June 2019

Humancentipede2 wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

Standard is 40k, before that its just not good. What is more important than your gear is your rotation.

40k without gear dropping off vet dungeons seems like asking a bit too much. its not trials.

Snowstrider · June 2019

Thats why i prefer to play with friends

Love Wizard · June 2019

Who even cares about what DPS you do in dungeons these days? lol

Kalgert · June 2019

LadySinflower wrote: »

So here's what I think (I know you're all waiting anxiously to hear! (sarcasm)). When you PUG you have no idea who you are going to get grouped with. It's literally the luck of the draw. You're going to get grouped with low DPS players because more people queue as DPS. People do that because they know they have no idea how to be a tank or a healer and the DPS role seems like the most nonspecific role you can choose (you can argue whether or not that's true - not my point). There are people queuing into vet dungeons when they shouldn't because some youtuber told them they MUST have blah blah blah gear or weapon which can only be obtained in vet content. So while I understand being annoyed when that happens and you get stuck with someone who's underpowered for the content, you absolutely do not have to be an a-hole. If you don't like who you're grouped with in PUGs, you can leave. Either run with people you know meet your standard, or keep PUGing and STFU. YOU were a beginner once and need to realize there are beginners out there. If you must say something, say it nicely. Don't be a jerk. This supposed 80% DPSer is a jacka$$.... I'd defend my SO against him too. Keep running dungeons together, help her work on her rotation and DPS, and shut down anyone who insults either of you.

This post I can appreciate, @LadySinflower . I'll ask her if she's interested in keep trying.

Salvas_Aren wrote: »

Girl_Number8 wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

2 of you 1 of him you should of kicked him if you could, lol.

If he was a good dps he would of been low-key and nuked everything, that is an easy dungeon to do. The few times I pug idc because I can melt stuff, so there is no reason to get upset. Unless there is a mech that requires people to cooperate together and they don't listen, causing wipes even after the mech has been thoroughly explained.

Cx join a friendly guild and you will have a better gaming experience while you get better. Good luck

You recommend a friendly raid guild to the OP? He would get thrown out instantly.]

I know you are a troll, so I will flag this as a troll post.

P.S Member of a few friendly guilds for more than a month now. Haven't been kicked. Your move, Donkey

Cadbury · June 2019

D0PAMINE wrote: »

Verbal_Earthworm wrote: »

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

So I thought I'd do a dungeon with my girlfriend, hopefully so she and I can start doing dungeons together and have a good time. But the first dungeon we go to (Wayrest Sewers 2 on Veteran), after a while some dude wants to kick her out, because "I'm doing 80% DPS". This pretty much upset her, and it made her log out.

And this annoys both her and me. Her because she has some of the better magicka DPS gear (Mother's Sorrow, Julianos, courtesy from me), and even when she's trying her best, she doesn't do enough damage (According to that dilweed who was crying about doing 80% DPS). And it annoys me because I hate it when people try to make her upset (As it should be with any decent spouse).

So I thought about making this thread to vent a bit, and maybe see if anyone'd be interested in joining me and her. Preferably someone who won't throw tantrums over DPS.

Edit: PC EU, if anyone's wondering.

I am on PC-EU and tanked this dungeon today in a PUG.

I am happy to tank vet dungeons with any kind of dd and do the pledges dailly.

Yesterday I tanked vet blackheart haven with two dd, one was 810cp and the other was level 12.

My account name is @VerbalEarthworm if you ever need a tank.

A level 12 in a Vet Dungeon? What?

Icy_Waffles · June 2019

Help her with her rotation, skills and build. That’s the best way.

Salvas_Aren · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Your move, Donkey

Already did. Check #66.

Sanguinor2 · June 2019

I can understand both sides, being insulting etc. because of someone having low dps isnt nice but queueing into vet Dungeons knowing someone cant pull their weight and expecting the rest of the Group to make up for that isnt all that nice either.

sevomd69 · June 2019

Grouped up with a low CP guildie, who said she had never done a vet dungeon before... for vDoM (It was the pledge)...she was pretty much spamming Ambush (at least we were getting minor vulnerability)... after a struggle bus to complete...we asked her if she wanted some help with her toon...she readily agreed...found out she was doing 8k on the dummy...we fixed her bars and gave her a basic rotation...and she improved to 25K...after like 10-15 minutes...

TL:DR... Maybe OP can spend's some QT with his girl and actually teach her how to DPS...

Royaji · June 2019

sevomd69 wrote: »

Grouped up with a low CP guildie, who said she had never done a vet dungeon before... for vDoM (It was the pledge)...she was pretty much spamming Ambush (at least we were getting minor vulnerability)... after a struggle bus to complete...we asked her if she wanted some help with her toon...she readily agreed...found out she was doing 8k on the dummy...we fixed her bars and gave her a basic rotation...and she improved to 25K...after like 10-15 minutes...

TL:DR... Maybe OP can spend's some QT with his girl and actually teach her how to DPS...

He can't teach her because he can't do it himself. This is the guy who refuses to read guides/watch videos because white text on black background and videos which are not recorded by a radio presenter with perfect diction and with a masterful script by some renowned author are just not going to cut it for his exquisite taste. And he also doesn't trust anyone who is trying to give him advice...

I think the issue is not with the GF.

Meesha1170 · June 2019

I had some *** get all whiney with me on a base game vet dungeon pug because I wasn’t doing over 20k dps on this particular occasion. He wasted so much time endlessly berating me in group chat that he died preventing me from getting a no death achievement since everyone else including myself had not died.

Some people in this game shouldn’t be playing if they get worked up over something so dumb and trivial and over a trash dungeon pug group no less. Needless to say I have seriously cut back doing vet dailies due to what seems like an increase of people being like this in game. I deal with too much bs in real life to put up with it in a game that I go to to unwind and relax.

Munkfist · June 2019

Meesha1170 wrote: »

I had some *** get all whiney with me on a base game vet dungeon pug because I wasn’t doing over 20k dps on this particular occasion. He wasted so much time endlessly berating me in group chat that he died preventing me from getting a no death achievement since everyone else including myself had not died.

Some people in this game shouldn’t be playing if they get worked up over something so dumb and trivial and over a trash dungeon pug group no less. Needless to say I have seriously cut back doing vet dailies due to what seems like an increase of people being like this in game. I deal with too much bs in real life to put up with it in a game that I go to to unwind and relax.

I understand that not everyone has their numbers up, but in a pug, you can't expect to be carried through a no death run. Why is that put on the other dps' shoulders?

It's not okay for him to be berating you, but also not right that you put that on him. I don't mind carrying others, but I like to know beforehand.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · June 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

Huh, quite a few comments have been made durimg the time of me sleeping. Some of them from people that I probably wouldn't want to help if they were stuck on the side of the road

Kel wrote: »

It's ironic that your first sentence was about a past thread of you complaining about low dps, but apparently because it was your girlfriend this time, it's somehow alright.

Kalgert wrote: »

Let me preface this that this is me venting at the DPS role, only this time, it's not me being salty about doing 18k DPS when the supposed standard is 25k

Can't have it both ways. If you're going to be salty about low dps, you should make sure your girlfriend can meet your own expectations before you drag her into vet 2 anything. Or, have the same expectations you had bringing your girlfriend with you for random pugs. But you can't be both. That's just hypocritical.

I don't care how much DPS she is doing, I wanted to do a dungeon with her. She can be doing 2k DPS and I'd still want to do a dungeon with her. I do however get annoyed and want to start punching when I see some insignificant individual start moaning about how there isn't enough DPS.

Stebarnz wrote: »

Do normal until you learn the game, alternatively I have to waste my time carrying and it gets old.

30k dps is very easy, you can do with heavy attacks! I have no sympathy.

X to Doubt on the heavy attacks claim, unless it's really going through a specialized build.

And let us think about it... Do normals, which are ***-easy and are boring, or do Veteran dungeons that actually provide a challenge? I think the latter choice is better

Muzzick wrote: »

Why was wayrest 2 vet the first dungeon you decided to do together?

It was the dungeon we got from the random dungeon finder

ArchMikem wrote: »

One stranger tries to kick her for not melting mobs and she takes it so hard she logs out.

The dude was an a-hole like every other dps monger but your GF should try and grow some thicker skin as well.

She simply has no desire to deal with children, that is all.

Zacuel wrote: »

Have you considered dumping your gf for someone who can dps better? Sounds like that'd fix everything.

I hope you never meet someone in your life to share a kinship together, or that you get dumped yourself. That is not only unfunny, but really disrespectful to someone to tell over something so stupid as a videogame MMO.

But hey, you probably are already single and have no one in your life, which would explain why you'd think this is such a topical "Joke".

Zacuel wrote: »

You both sound...

Just awful.

And you sound like an idiot, what about it? Neither of us pretend to be this "Perfect player" that some people imagine. Too much effort to do that. Better to be just ourselves. Don't like it? Then eat me.

And your girlfriend is significant because?

You're not special, she's not special: None of us are special.

You want to play with the big boys, get better.

That applies to your girlfriend as much as anyone else.

If you're so adamant to run content with her specifically, and she's not pulling good damage, I highly recommend finding a social guild.

But in PuG-Land, there is no special treatment.

Is what I'm saying harsh? Yes. But life usually is, and random encounters often just that.

Personally I, instead of complaining, explored other roles, then went back to DPS, trained like a machine, and eventually got my numbers up to a solid 27-28k. Not outstanding but certainly enough to clear content.

Why is your girlfriend exempt from the requirement to practice?