OrphanHelgen wrote: »

mobicera wrote: »

Why do you even need this?
You can always ask if curious.
ESO is less about gear than rotation and understanding game mechanics anyways.
If you are in serious score pushing where this is actually relevant you know what your team mates are wearing anyways.
I would prefer bug fixes...

This is something casuals say because they dont wanna spend 8 rosins upgrading their staff. And if it doesn't matter, why you care if this is in the game or not then? So reading your comment make me understand so far that you dont want it because you dont think it's needed in the game right? Then explain all the other 99% of the game that are here but not needed at all pls.

There's a difference between:
"This is an unnecessary frill"
And
"This is not needed because people will use it to be toxic and judgmental over effectively nothing."

The latter is why a Gear Inspect is not needed.

Its not needed because for the majority of content it doesnt matter if you are running the BIS meta, or the slightly less good than the meta gear, or even the not-meta-but-it-gets-the-job-done gear. There's no reason to be toxic about gear...but we all know that people are toxic about gear in content where it seriously doesn't matter.

For the content where specific gear DOES matter, you're probably doing it with a group that either mandates certain gear sets already or you agreed to share what you are wearing.

And in any case, you can always ask.

jazsper77 wrote: »

Warframe has this option..... oh wait a much better game. My bad

Warframe has an inspect.
Warframe also has the basics on their group menu.

Warframe also has only 5 main slots, a lot less than ESO.

For the vast majority of content, all you'll really care about is that I'm running:
[Saryn Prime]
[Aura Mod]
[Ignis Wraith]
[Gilded Catchmoon]
[Whatever melee weapon I'm leveling]

Which you can see at a glance fron the menu. (Sort of like you can see what class and role I am in ESO at a glance at a menu, usually "Dragonknight" and "Tank").

And even then, I've gotten the "Why aren't you running the meta?" question from people in Warframe. I was greatly amused, because at that point I was the only one who hadn't died during the sortie while still defending the objective

There's a lot of content in Warframe and in ESO where it doesnt matter what you run as long as you get the job done.

I want an inspect function that gives me the other player’s phone number and home address.

Delparis wrote: »

I do i'm playing FF14 atm,
this game is grindy but ESO is grindy too.
pvp is bad is FF14 sure, but at least i can do pvp without lags, infinite loading screens crashes or broken LFG tool

I really enjoy ESO but those performance and the lack of basic functionalities (like inspect) is a really bad thing

Lolwat m8? Basic functionality? What the heck are you on about?

Answer me this: What would you possibly stand to gain from having this tool? Why do you ever so badly need to know what another person is running? Do you want to copy their build in the hopes that you might be as good as they are, if they're a really good player? Being good is about more than sets, the gear you use doesn't matter nearly as much as people like to think because it's only a portion of what goes into a person's build. Knowing the gear doesn't do you jack squat without knowing CP, rotations, food/drink buffs, enchantments on gear, etc. So what good would knowing what the other person is wearing do you? None at all, that's what.

Do you want to know what gear the people in your PvE content are running? Why would you need to know that? So you can tout how the gear they're running isn't 'meta' or 'BiS' and that they're playing the game wrong because they aren't wearing what you think is acceptable? So you can make fun of their current sets and call them a trash player politely suggest other sets to replace the ones they're using with, even if they don't ask for the advice (and then proceed to trash talk them if they refuse to accept said advice, or tell you thanks but no thanks)?

And finally, if you want so badly to know what people are running, why can you not simply ask? Are you afraid you'll be lied to? Well, that's a valid fear, because no one is obligated to tell you what they're using, and you're not entitled to know. If you're trying to copy a build from another player, you'd have to ask them what the rest of their build is anyway, since knowing only the gear would be literally next to useless without knowing everything else. If you want it just to judge people doing PvE content? Definitely not needed when people already treat each other like dirt around here over the pettiest of things.

Edit to add that just because 'everyone else' is doing a thing doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Just because 'everyone else' is doing something doesn't mean everyone has to follow that example. What other MMOs choose to do in terms of tools or features doesn't mean ESO has to employ those same functions, so that whole 'all the other MMOs do it' is a pretty flimsy argument at best.

VaranisArano wrote: »

ESO doesnt have a inspect option for more or less the same reason we don't have a real time DPS tracker for every member of our groups.

People would abuse it to be toxic.

People. We're why we can't have nice things.

In the meantime, why not just ask if you want to know?

^Totally this.

In FFXIV, you could inspect someone to the point of knowing exactly where they were on all of their crafting skills, not to mention every other aspect their character. It was ridiculous, and there were times when I'd be challenged at a dungeon's entrance as to why my gear was either too *** or too good for the group leader to want me in the group. Insane toxicity. You don't want that in ESO, I'm telling you.

Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »

No. No one needs to see another players attire.

Wow, wanting invisible attire? Are you using the x-ray vision addon? Talk about invasion of privacy.

Wandering_Immigrant wrote: »

Nightowl_74 wrote: »

I don't know, I'm used to that option in other games but never thought of it as a feature that adds much. As long as "so-and-so examines you" doesn't pop every time somebody looks at mine like it used to in FFXI I'm happy. That was really annoying.

I always liked seeing that message in XI, I'd sometimes even give them a min to look then hit a gear swap to show them the rest, if they bit on it I'd even show them a 3rd look. Of course I had a pretty pimped out RDM back then.

I think being able to examine would be a good thing, I think it would be good for newer players or even older players who just copy paste meta builds to be able to see that there's skilled players out there who aren't running the same setups you find on build sites.

I get people not wanting someone to copy paste the build they worked hard to come up with on their own, I don't either, but gear is just a small part of your build here.

There's ways they could have the transparency of examine without showing all. Obviously it wouldn't show CP allocation or skill bars. They could also make it so it doesn't show traits or enchants or even color if they wanted, just the base gear. On top of that it could be opt-in, there could be 3 settings, one would show your actual gear, one would show outfit/costume, one would just be hidden, you set it to which one you want people to see when they examine you.

I met a few people who asked before checking out my gear and I always gave them the ok. It was a small courtesy but something I appreciated. Other than that it just seemed slightly intrusive, like it would if they could peek in my "home" or inventory without permission, and having a message show up every time only magnified the issue.

Given a choice of whether to enable it or keep things private, I wouldn't have any objection.

I mean, I'm as interested in privacy as the next guy (I'm listed as "offline" in Steam/PSN/etc; having people 'friend' me in games makes me uncomfortable because they can track when I'm on/off/etc), but I've never understood the issue people have with Inspect options. It really doesn't seem like a big issue. And "just ask them!" seems like a lot of bother for the person who's being asked - does someone who walks into town with a cool outfit & nifty effects really want to be bothered by multiple people whispering them to ask about what it is, and have to reply to all of them, even if it's just to say "go away"? Inspect really is low impact.

Your gear is not a god**** state secret, and your build is not the 11 secret herbs & spices. Someone seeing The Precious will not suddenly make your DPS plummet or cause impotence.


tl;dr - I've never understood why people get so worked up over 'Inspect'. /shrug

I wouldnt use this to see what that op dude in cryo was wearing or how that guy is pulling 900k dps

Id use this to see what people pulling 2k dps are actually wearing or that guy you see with 300+ cp that is having an incredibly hard time killing trash Overland mob is wearing.


I really want to know what kind of missed matched garbage people throw on thinking there going to do vet dlc content.

@Kiralyn2000 you're coming from the perspective of the rational, normal player who plays this game to have fun. Maybe have fun with friends and friendly people of like minds. People who would use this inspect function to compliment your gear or ask why you are running X instead of Y. A normal player like most of us.

Guessing you don't think CP810, meta gear, and DPS tests are directly tied to your worth as a human being. Nor do you think group chat is the appropriate place to announce your superiority over the rest of us worms. Thanks, but I don't need some elitist clown angry with me because I stupidly run Spell Strat with Mother's Sorrow when Alcast has declared False God's Devotion to be the new meta.

Delparis wrote: »

Every good mmo has this option, why not ESO?
Is this because ESO is too casual?

No, it's because ESO - fortunately - is not full with toxic players yet.

Kiralyn2000 wrote: »

I mean, I'm as interested in privacy as the next guy (I'm listed as "offline" in Steam/PSN/etc; having people 'friend' me in games makes me uncomfortable because they can track when I'm on/off/etc), but I've never understood the issue people have with Inspect options. It really doesn't seem like a big issue. And "just ask them!" seems like a lot of bother for the person who's being asked - does someone who walks into town with a cool outfit & nifty effects really want to be bothered by multiple people whispering them to ask about what it is, and have to reply to all of them, even if it's just to say "go away"? Inspect really is low impact.

Your gear is not a god**** state secret, and your build is not the 11 secret herbs & spices. Someone seeing The Precious will not suddenly make your DPS plummet or cause impotence.


tl;dr - I've never understood why people get so worked up over 'Inspect'. /shrug

You're assuming that a large number of people would actually bother to ask. Most times, unless its a really nice motif, or nice dye job, people will simply say "Nice outfit" and keep on with what they're doing.

Delparis wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

b92303008rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Delparis wrote: »

Every good mmo has this option, why not ESO?
Is this because ESO is too casual?

By good mmo, are you referring to WoW? Lol.

No FF14

Pretty much the same thing. Don't you worry. ESO is joining them as one treadmill dungeon grinding game.

not the same thing, FF14 is 100 times better

1. Better story quest

At least I never had to muck out stables in this game That was where I quit in FFXIV.

It just seems odd how paranoid people are of rare cases where being able to see other people's gear would lead to them getting kicked from dungeons, especially when people can already just tell you to link your gear or get kicked, and it's not like people commonly do that either. This game isn't as toxic as people like to think it is, at least on the pve side. And as I said before, a style inspect would be nice because I afk a lot when waiting for trials and i'll come back to whispers every now and then asking about what motifs i'm using. If people could just peep my style and move on, that'd be great.