Zos saying quitting threads are now against the forum rules? Angry Rant Warning

Stellarvorous · June 2019

So quitting threads are against the forum rules now? that's a new one

Yeah im probably going to get banned from the forums for doing this it probably wont help anything but o well when I saw this *** I knew I had to do it whether others agree or not *IMO* it needs to be done to get the idea across to Zos sweeping issues under the rug and closing/locking threads that bring up issues with the game only pisses people off.

ZOS_GregoryV
mod

Greetings,

We have decided to close this thread as we do not allow quitting threads on our forums. Quitting threads are against the rules that we have in place as they tend to get bad quick. If there may be any questions in regards to the rules, please feel free to review them here.

Thank you for your understanding,
-Greg-

This reply was sent in regards to different thread where another player said he was cancelling his sub due to the poor performance of the game So zos this is what the *** your doing now? People cant make a thread about quitting the game due to *** performance? maybe if yal fixed your *** game lol we wouldn't have so many these threads hrmm?

The forums are known for toxicity that's a given but what I cant understand is you guys are so fast to lock and close peoples threads when they bring up issues that show you failing at your jobs but when it comes to actually fixing things its ok we will do that next year unless we can get it in the crown store for 5k crowns hue

Ill keep this last part short and sweet
Firstly *** your forum rules
2ndly *** you Zos for your *** handling of the game performance ….
*** you for the forum moderation which is conveniently molded to shield you from the outcry of players trying to get you to understand your game performance is driving players away from the game

And last but not least *** you Mr Greggory for being the *** head mod that closed that thread because the player said he was quitting due to the sub par performance of the game

Oh and to the mod that closes this thread yes i know your going to close it because it violates the "forum rules" yes I know it isn't constructive and yes im aware im not "allowed" to say *** about your mods *** YOU anyways

Thank you for your understanding
-@Stellarvorous-

Stellarvorous · June 2019

Yeah I see that must of been a recent addition to the forum rules with the issue of game performance some might call say that's conveniently placed to allow zos to sweep these issues under the rug that way newer players don't see it

Vildebill · June 2019

So, about the stuff...

Stellarvorous · June 2019

Oh you mean my in game stuff? yeah no yal still cant have my stuff lol sorry

Turelus · June 2019

Stellarvorous wrote: »

So quitting threads are against the forum rules now? that's a new one

Goodbye/Quitting Threads: We understand that sometimes people will leave the ESO community, and want to post a “goodbye” or “quitting” thread. Generally, we have found that “goodbye” and “quitting” threads have a tendency to go downhill fast. It is our policy to read the feedback in “goodbye” and “quitting” threads and close them, regardless of whether they are constructive or not.

- ZOS_GinaBruno Community Manager March 2014

Stellarvorous · June 2019

hrmm shoulda used a font text generator to bypass the profanity filter the censoring takes away from the irritation implied regarding the issues but yes I see its in the rules now and I say that is very conveniently placed all of a sudden with the recent addition of all these performance issue threads

Turelus · June 2019

Stellarvorous wrote: »

Yeah I see that must of been a recent addition to the forum rules with the issue of game performance some might call say that's conveniently placed to allow zos to sweep these issues under the rug that way newer players don't see it

No, it's literally been there years. That's why for all the years I've been active on the forums they've locked leaving threads when they come up. This can be shown by the edit tag at the bottom of Gina's post. "Edited by ZOS_GinaBruno on July 21, 2015 4:59PM"

If you want to give feedback on leaving, if you were an ESO+ member there is a contact email in the confirmation mail you get when you cancel. Otherwise I am not sure how you can leave feedback, maybe they have a contact link somewhere (I've never looked) or you can do a /feedback in game.

Turelus · June 2019

Stellarvorous wrote: »

hrmm shoulda used a font text generator to bypass the profanity filter the censoring takes away from the irritation implied regarding the issues but yes I see its in the rules now and I say that is very conveniently placed all of a sudden with the recent addition of all these performance issue threads

As I said in my other post. The thread hasn't been edited since 2015.

Also just a search on some of the forums mods and the word goodbye shows threads being locked under this rule back in 2015.

You can debate whether this is ZOS trying to censor the forums if you like, but you can't spin this as a new change in policy due to recent issues. As the evidence is there showing otherwise.

Vandril · June 2019

MMO forums tend to have rules against quitting threads. I remember seeing rules about that on various MMO threads for around a decade and a half. Maybe you just don't read forum rules enough to notice?

It's far less about "sweeping problems under the rug" and far more to do with nipping threads that do little but spread negativity in the bud. I've moderated (smaller, non-game) forums in the past, and certain topics had to be against the rules due to their almost reliable tendency in stirring up drama and negativity. "I'm leaving" threads are that kind of topic.

It's actually less harmful to make a thread about the issue that's making one leave than it is to make a thread about the act of leaving. It may seem like an arbitrary distinction, but it really does make a huge difference in how the thread is received. A thread about the issue is much more likely to result in meaningful conversation about the issue than a thread about someone's reaction to the issue.

Stellarvorous · June 2019

If it has then fine I still don't agree with it lol and theres no point to sending them feedback

Also in regards to the quitting part while I did recently stop my sub the dev reply link was from a different thread and a different player pretty much highlighting the same issues that I stated in mine when I cancelled my sub and made a thread on it

With the speed they lock and close threads youd think we could get an actual reply on the issues with game performance their actual plans to solve the issues and a possible time line of when that is likely to take place preferably sometime this fiscal year

Instead of them spoon feeding us [snip] saying its our clients or their working on the issue that seem to never get solved *like the stuck in combat bug*

[edited for profanity bypass]

Bhaal5 · June 2019

They got to fall back on something, considering they cant fall back on creative talents or reliable servers to pull them out. So gotta use that tactic like that to bury all the bad press about their beer coaster... Sorry mean game.

Stellarvorous · June 2019

You know what else spreads negativity lol? locking and closing threads especially when it comes to these issues

Turelus · June 2019

Stellarvorous wrote: »

You know what else spreads negativity lol? locking and closing threads especially when it comes to these issues

They only locked the ones which broke rules or went off the rails. There are plenty of multiple pages threads about issues still active.

Stellarvorous · June 2019

Plenty of players have made constructive polite"ish" threads regarding performance and it has yielded nothing granted im 100% certain my thread isn't going to get any better results

But if were lucky if we just keep spamming the forums regarding these same issues they might eventually take notice and decide to do something or at least outright tell us they cant fix them id rather hear we cant fix the problem for what ever reason then get strung along thinking its gona get solved lol

Dusk_Coven · June 2019

Quitting threads are generally closed and/or deleted by a lot of MMOs because they tend to attract people who just post responses to mock the player.

Turelus · June 2019

Stellarvorous wrote: »

Plenty of players have made constructive polite"ish" threads regarding performance and it has yielded nothing granted im 100% certain my thread isn't going to get any better results

But if were lucky if we just keep spamming the forums regarding these same issues they might eventually take notice and decide to do something or at least outright tell us they cant fix them id rather hear we cant fix the problem for what ever reason then get strung along thinking its gona get solved lol

If people keep spamming the forums or deliberately trying to be disruptive they'll probably just warrant a forums suspension or ban at some point.

I know ZOS doesn't answer or acknowledge constructive feedback and criticism, as I am one of the people who has made it many times in the past. Also spamming the forums about the same issues doesn't bring changes or encourage ZOS to come out and talk about them.

However I also understand spamming the forum, being snarky and abusive towards the company and staff are not going to get anything done either. The only way changes on communication are going to happen is if whoever organises it within ZOS makes changes.

If you want change, vote with your wallet as they say. If you want conversation, stop acting like an angry mob of edgy teens and start keeping issue threads alive without the snark and abuse. Keep it in front of them so it can't be ignored, but also don't make it something they're not going to bother to read.

Lastly it's always worth remembering the people who do read these threads and get the feedback are not the ones who make all the choices, nor are they people who should have to face abusive mobs at work because their senior management won't make changes players want.

logarifmik · June 2019

Wait and see, soon bug and perfomance issues reports will be not allowed.

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

OP, cancelling ESO+ is against the rules, how you can't understand it

Stellarvorous · June 2019

@Turelus as its been stated plenty of people have made constructive threads regarding the issues and nothing has changed bumping them to keep them alive has yielded no results

While I can agree with you to an extent giving them *** for it solves nothing correct 100% but going off what we know about the issues still being here plenty have played nice and we still don't have *** to show for it so at this point what is the difference

If being an ass and being nice get the same result from zos then where does that leave us lol plenty of folks have bumped threads they played nice nothing happened

I wager most folks at this point when it comes to performance aren't looking for conversation their looking for action/results

And sure cancelling subs hits them in the wallet but only for so long

"If you want change, vote with your wallet as they say. If you want conversation, stop acting like an angry mob of edgy teens and start keeping issue threads alive without the snark and abuse. Keep it in front of them so it can't be ignored, but also don't make it something they're not going to bother to read."

We have voted we made it public that were cancelling our subs and most likely taking a break from the game for an extended period of time because of the performance issues

They ignored those threads performance threads regardless of them being bumped and constructive and went after the folks quitting and canceling subs based threads because that's clearly what they care about

So your words of play nice fall on deaf ears

Caligamy_ESO · June 2019

Quitting threads have always been against the rules on this forum.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

Caligamy_ESO wrote: »

Quitting threads have always been against the rules on this forum.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yesterday they closed thread which was not quit of account, only quit of ESO+. If I was OP of that thread, I'll apply to re-open it, there was interesting discussion twist in there.

Stellarvorous · June 2019

Maybe I shoulda worded the question "Should quitting threads be against the forum rules?"

Yes plenty have enlightened me that quitting threads are against the rules and have been such a rule for a long time now noted

the question to be posed now should they remain that way as most know you can get negativity and toxicity on the forum with ease if their going to close every thread that has such negativity why bother having the forums to begin with.

Unless they expect to one day see the forum lined with threads saying good job well done thank you ….if they ever fix the performance I might part take if it stays the way it is which is clearly getting worse then I wager more negative threads will appear.

Turelus · June 2019

If nothing has changed in five years and someone is still not happy with the game, enough that it makes them so frustrated they have to spend their time spamming the forums in a non-constructive way, then they may want to ask themselves why they're still playing the game.

ZOS isn't going to magically change their ways after five years because of one more angry forum post, if those posts worked ESO would be in perfect shape right now.

Also most often when people say "others have tried to be constructive and heard nothing" they seem to miss the point that every time someone tries to be constructive, the threads fill with people doing the non-constructive posts, or that because being and polite and constructive didn't get an answer (or the answer they wanted) it's now an excuse to act badly.

If you want to be listened to, be someone they want to listen to.

Shadow_Viper_vX · June 2019

Turelus wrote: »

Stellarvorous wrote: »

You know what else spreads negativity lol? locking and closing threads especially when it comes to these issues

They only locked the ones which broke rules or went off the rails. There are plenty of multiple pages threads about issues still active.

And yet there are multiple issues that have been problems for YEARS and have never actually been addressed and fixed....

swippy · June 2019

Stellarvorous wrote: »

Maybe I shoulda worded the question "Should quitting threads be against the forum rules?"

[...]

the question to be posed now should they remain that way

well that's gonna brush up against explicit discussion of moderation, which is also... you guessed it! against the rules.

i wish you luck, though. if you manage to make this game any better i'll buy you beers all night, and 3 rounds of shots.

Stellarvorous · June 2019

@MartiniDaniels you are correct that thread was in regards to the player canceling his ESO+ idk if said player was planning on quitting after or they were just canceling the sub I would have to go back and reread it

That being said imo closing/locking threads because a player said he only cancelled his sub is even worse it leaves the implication that zos is trying to hide the fact people are upset with the current state of the game

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

OP, cancelling ESO+ is against the rules, how you can't understand it

I actually thought you were joking when you said that and I didn't even realize it was you who had said it till now
that being said now its just that much more disturbing that publicly stating the canceling of subs warrants closure of threads

Turelus · June 2019

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Stellarvorous wrote: »

You know what else spreads negativity lol? locking and closing threads especially when it comes to these issues

They only locked the ones which broke rules or went off the rails. There are plenty of multiple pages threads about issues still active.

And yet there are multiple issues that have been problems for YEARS and have never actually been addressed and fixed....

Agreed. However that doesn't mean we should run the narrative that ZOS locks threads on issues they don't want to deal with.

I am not going to defend ZOS on all issues, but I will fight against misinformation and unwarranted abuse towards them.

KoultouraS · June 2019

This is the point ESO team is taking us to.
Look at the OP and then compare it to the the posts being done by the same poster
The guy seems pretty cool and laid back
This game and to be precise this management both community and development-wise
is driving us crazy. It is indeed bringing up the worst of us.
The reason is obvious , as much as we hide behind our anonimity
that much they hide behind the moderators to handle and control the uproar.

We DEMAND something that is deemed by laws governing sales PREREQUISITE
They fail to provide it.
We declare our dissatisfaction.
We get censored
and...

BOOM , let hell brake loose...

Stellarvorous · June 2019

@Turelus For the record I havnt been here for 5 years iv been here for 2 years and change but please don't get me wrong I honestly love certain aspects of this game it even if I try to quit I know ill come back regardless but it still doesn't change the fact with these issues

I know performance fixes don't happen over night and some have said its gotten better since launch perhaps in that regard it has improved but since I got here in 2017 it hasn't improved it has gotten worse when they put out patch fixes that are supposed to fix issues and they end up causing more that's not a fix that's just another problem

They cant be posting fixes for issues and breaking more then the ones that are getting solved we aren't making any progress

Shadow_Viper_vX · June 2019

Turelus wrote: »

Shadow_Viper_vX wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Stellarvorous wrote: »

You know what else spreads negativity lol? locking and closing threads especially when it comes to these issues

They only locked the ones which broke rules or went off the rails. There are plenty of multiple pages threads about issues still active.

And yet there are multiple issues that have been problems for YEARS and have never actually been addressed and fixed....

Agreed. However that doesn't mean we should run the narrative that ZOS locks threads on issues they don't want to deal with.

I am not going to defend ZOS on all issues, but I will fight against misinformation and unwarranted abuse towards them.

Threads that shine a bright light on ESO's major long standing issues, ZOS looks for ANY excuse to lock them. This honestly is common knowledge on these forums.

I agree however that insulting ZOS, and ZOS employees is completely unacceptable.

alanmatillab16_ESO · June 2019

Quitting threads have been locked for years, it is not a new thing. Your conspiracy theory is full of guano.

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