If I'm honest, I come here almost daily because I like the positivity. I've been playing the game for several years and have been signed up as an ESO+ member for almost all of them. I don't really care about whatever the current PvP issue is, or a ten paragraph post about why someone hates ZoS today. I play the game almost daily and, on weekends, usually get together with friends to run a dungeon or three. It's fun and I really enjoy the game.

The Reddit page is much more relaxed imo. Very nice things make the top and is quite refreshing.

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

rotaugen454 wrote: »

So you want everyone to go over to Reddit and turn that into a complaintfest too?

Wouldn't work as the Reddit forums allow users to sink posts like battleships with the downvote where as here, any post with new post in it raises it right to the top again. On Reddit they downvote any negativity into oblivion where as here like feces, it keeps floating to the top...

My new nickname for overly negative rant posts is “a floater”.

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You have obviously been on the internet for a while.

I prefer Reddit as it is way more mature overall and it doesn't obsessively focus on PVPers and their never-ending "problems", like these forums. However, there are good parts about this forum too and sometimes it can provide good information and advice. It just needs less elitist attitude and more consideration for other forum members who are taking part in discussions.

Do ZOS have a 'disconnection with the community'? I always thought they where kinda good on that front.

Turelus wrote: »

ArenGesus wrote: »

I suppose you're right. The unhappiness here is, after all, totally unfounded.

Point to the part where I said that please.

ArenGesus wrote: »

But if your idea of good moderation is to shut down conversations people are having about the issues they encounter with the game, I promise you it's leading to no good end.

My idea of good moderation is letting people report, discuss and be critical without being toxic. There is a very clear difference between the two.
There are many well known posters on these forums who slam ZOS for their screw ups but manage not to be abusive and toxic whilst doing it.

ArenGesus wrote: »

There are new people going there for help with their performance problems too and they just get shut down - and probably just turn around and leave the game for good.

I assume by there you mean on Reddit, and if that's happening then yes that's bad moderation and not the kind I would like to see here. However ZOS is pretty good with helping people in the issues forum BillE is normally pretty active replying from what I've seen.

ArenGesus wrote: »

The negativity needs to rise in visibility if it's going to result in a change. If there isn't a change, the game is dead.

I have no issue with negative threads on the front page and I encourage there being one to hold ZOS' feet to the fire in regards to the issues. However please tell me how new topics/posts of "Zo$ FiX YOUR GAME" "ZOS ONLY CARES ABOUT MONEY" "CROWN STORE WORKS FINE LOLOLOL" helps make the forums a better place or encourages ZOS to work on the issues or engage with the community?

It is helpful because it allows them to gauge the temperament of the people who keep the lights on. The forums can be looked at like a thermometer and right now it's glowing pretty hot. That is helpful to zos, and it is helpful to new players who are considering dumping a bunch of money into the game but are looking for an honest accounting of what they'll experience. Lying to them and telling them it's fine will just cause some of them to be bitter about having been given a false impression.

And if those new players decide not to spend their money until reviews are better - that is helpful to zos too, because it doesn't give them the faulty impression that they can carry on without fixing anything. The community right now is upset because they paid for something that they can't use. It's great that a lot of people aren't having severe issues (for now), but for those who basically got ripped off (yeah, yeah - TOS, I know they aren't responsible for customer satisfaction...) would like to join you in that.

Hiding it does no good whatsoever. It pits people against one another. It leads to a product development roadmap that in turn leads to further discontent. Recognizing and admitting to a problem is the only way to fix a problem. There will be a day when the negativity reaches critical mass and it's not going to be due to a handful of people fanning the flames of discontent - it's going to be due to a critical mass of players having crippling issues. And then the game is dead. And that's not good for anybody.

Any moderation that attempts to do anything other than engage in meaningful conversations (not, "check your internet") about problems players have with the game is going to just make it worse for everybody, including those who currently aren't experiencing issues.

AVaelham wrote: »

I prefer Reddit as it is way more mature overall and it doesn't obsessively focus on PVPers and their never-ending "problems", like these forums. However, there are good parts about this forum too and sometimes it can provide good information and advice. It just needs less elitist attitude and more consideration for other forum members who are taking part in discussions.

More mature? Reddit is about as one sided as it gets, they lean overwhelmingly to the casual side and with that obviously aren't discussing mechanics or PVP with any seriousness - Reddit is the place to be if you want to talk about how pretty the trees are in Auridon, or to share a great roleplaying story that you have, there is no serious and very limited productive discussion that goes on there.

Reddit is a controlled environment that silence views and opinions they disagree with rather than discussing them - Disagree with the overwhelming majority there and you'll get downvoted into Oblivion to the point where people won't see your comment and thus the 'discussion' is no more; at which point the whole meaning of 'Forum' is devoid.

Disagree with the majority here and people will call you out on it and discuss it visibly for everyone to make their own minds up. Reddit users and moderators *** foot around the idea of discussion unless it suits the masses and that is not mature in my eyes.


Reddit users threshold on what is "toxic" or "insert equally overused buzz word" is incredibly fine.

Osubaker33 wrote: »

Official forums.

1. Are all doom and gloom and the game will be dead in 6 months
2. Seems to be where most pvpers post.

Reddit

1. Seems to be made up a lot more of new players, solo players, and rpers.
2. Seem mostly happy as bugs in rugs over the game.

If ZOS mostly reads Reddit instead of their own official forums it might explain their seeming disconnect with the community. I always used the official forums but recently I have been checking out Reddit as well. If you play any of ZOS other games their official forums are completely dead and all the posting is on Reddit.

So maybe we need to post more on Reddit instead of these forums if ZOS pays no attention to them.

Or..
Or..

Be more positive? The sky isn't falling? This is a great game.

IwakuraLain42 wrote: »

Look, they noticed this thread: https://old.reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/c55gba/official_forums_opinion_of_this_reddit/

...and their most upvoted comment currently is that on this forum we are just passionate about the game and want ESO to improve!?!? I mean what rubbish! Filth! Disgusting!!!

😂