Night and day difference between this forum and Reddit

Dusk_Coven

Osubaker33 wrote: »

Official forums.

1. Are all doom and gloom and the game will be dead in 6 months
2. Seems to be where most pvpers post.

And a lot more trolling, toxicity, and useless responses. Maybe because Reddit moderators spell out the code of conduct on the right side of the screen and police bad behavior more.

Dusk_Coven

Sergykid wrote: »

useful topics like miscalculations on abilities or champion trees, bugs, op builds, etc, are ignored (maybe willingly? iykwim)

subforums here are better, probably because the trolls and attention-beggars don't get past the General Forums page.

Goregrinder

casparian wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

casparian wrote: »

Osubaker33 wrote: »

Reddit

1. Seems to be made up a lot more of new players, solo players, and rpers.
2. Seem mostly happy as bugs in rugs over the game.

1 and 2 are related. ESO is (increasingly) geared toward the new player experience, at the expense of the vet experience. It takes a while before the shallowness of the polish starts to become apparent.

Been playing since second wave closed beta, I still don't view ESO as "shallow". I probably don't count as a veteran player though right?

There are always outliers

Note that I didn't say ESO was shallow, though. Many of its systems and gameplay loops have a lot of depth to them. I said the game's polish is shallow -- the game is a clunky, unoptimized, bug-ridden, directionless mess, but on the surface it appears more polished than it is.

Yeah but that describes every MMORPG. Not even WoW is devoid of bug ridden code, has optimization issues, and lacks direction in many of it's mechanics.

MojaveHeld

The problem is, the reddit is a lot more shallow than the forums. The most popular posts are almost always just some form of "here's a picture of my character, look how pretty it is!" I was on the Reddit long before I was on the forums, and part of the reason I eventually came to the forums is that serious and useful discussions about the game are almost impossible on the Reddit. The Reddit still has a place, but it's just a place to appreciate pretty things in the game, not a place to actually have any productive discussions about the game itself, such as mechanics, performance issues, high-tier strategies, etc.

ArenGesus

MojaveHeld wrote: »

The problem is, the reddit is a lot more shallow than the forums. The most popular posts are almost always just some form of "here's a picture of my character, look how pretty it is!" I was on the Reddit long before I was on the forums, and part of the reason I eventually came to the forums is that serious and useful discussions about the game are almost impossible on the Reddit. The Reddit still has a place, but it's just a place to appreciate pretty things in the game, not a place to actually have any productive discussions about the game itself, such as mechanics, performance issues, high-tier strategies, etc.

Typically true, but surprisingly, this little gem got a lot of traction today: https://reddit.com/r/elderscrollsonline/comments/c4dpf5/saw_the_chair_and_couldnt_resist/

Gilvoth

Papachico wrote: »

They know don't worry. They just don't care is all.

this ^
all truth

NordSwordnBoard

theyancey wrote: »

The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.

How?

DragonRacer

I feel like I've read this book/watched this movie before.

Involving the formerly official BioWare forums that were accused of toxicity and eventually shut down because they felt they'd have better communication with their fans via Reddit and Twitter.

It's still a weird relationship with no less toxicity.

VaranisArano

theyancey wrote: »

The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.

No thanks.

Paying every month instead of just buying the DLC doesnt actually make players' opinions automatically worth more, nor does it magically grant them unbiased knowledge of ESO. That's just silliness. If the Official Forums were solely used for feedback to the devs about the future of the game, maybe you'd have a point...but they aren't.

Admittedly, I'm biased. I don't subscribe, and I've put a lot of time and effort into ESO to make sure that I don't have to in terms of inventory, plus I bought the the DLC I own.

Of course, I'm biased the other way. Frankly, I wouldn't pay to post here, and I wouldnt pay to read the opinions of a bunch of posters here either, no offense meant. Nobody should pay to read my opinions either...or I'd feel obligated to get a proofreader!

frostz417

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

I really dont know where the doom and gloom comes tbh, they speak about gamebreaking bugs yet i play daily and encounter none. TBH even in posts complaining about bugs all i see is "there are game breaking bugs how can you not fix them!", yet i never see any list of bugs or examples. Starting to wonder if its not just trolling... My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.

Alright bud. Here’s your game breaking bugs:
Activity finder
Stuck in combat
Sliding on the floor when hit by certain CC’s
Health desync
Delay in cc’s such as javelin or clench which causes either a slow motion animation or just a desync
Shadow image being bugged
Pirate skeleton monster set bugged causing you to not be able to bar swap when the set procs
Root poisons going through snare and root immunity
Double cc caused by flame clench
When pulling a target they sometimes just immediately teleport back to their original location after you pulled them
Loadscreens... everywhere
Loadscreens when a keep flips or upgrades causing entire groups to wipe due to lack of game management.

Also to your ridiculous event complain. All the events are literally the same trash.
“Double nodes in this certain zone and do dailies wooohoo”
More events put more strain on the server which causes even MORE lag and the recent massive influx of events was zos purely milking the game so they can get more new players and more money... even though literally almost all of the events were just the same repetitive lazy trash.

Dusk_Coven

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.

How?

SWTOR does this. But it immediately discounts everyone who previously paid a subscription. And as others have said, paying doesn't magically make your opinions better. Worse, it can just make you feel more entitled and to make non-subs feel like second-class citizens.

Jhalin

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

I really dont know where the doom and gloom comes tbh, they speak about gamebreaking bugs yet i play daily and encounter none. TBH even in posts complaining about bugs all i see is "there are game breaking bugs how can you not fix them!", yet i never see any list of bugs or examples. Starting to wonder if its not just trolling... My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.

If you aren’t doing trials, dungeons, PvP, or using the new class, then yeah, you won’t see many bugs because you haven’t even begun to play the game.

Even questing has issues, see: Nightmare Plataeu daily quest

Goregrinder

VaranisArano wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.

No thanks.

Paying every month instead of just buying the DLC doesnt actually make players' opinions automatically worth more, nor does it magically grant them unbiased knowledge of ESO. That's just silliness. If the Official Forums were solely used for feedback to the devs about the future of the game, maybe you'd have a point...but they aren't.

Admittedly, I'm biased. I don't subscribe, and I've put a lot of time and effort into ESO to make sure that I don't have to in terms of inventory, plus I bought the the DLC I own.

Of course, I'm biased the other way. Frankly, I wouldn't pay to post here, and I wouldnt pay to read the opinions of a bunch of posters here either, no offense meant. Nobody should pay to read my opinions either...or I'd feel obligated to get a proofreader!

I guess as a whale and ESO+ member, I am biased. I'm only interested in hearing what other people like me have to say.

DragonRacer

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.

I'm enjoying the respit. It was almost wall-to-wall events from January through May. The one from April-May was 5 solid weeks.

Don't you worry; its gonna crank up and be wall-to-wall again 3rd and 4th quarter, I'm sure.

xMovingTarget

Reddit is the worst place to look for actual feedback. Reddit is all sunshine and flowers. Or where the RPer go that play the game like 1 hour a week.
Actual players come here. The ones that actually play the game and encounter these bugs. And there are alot of bugs that are major gamebreaking since elsweyr. And all zenimax does is closing threads that actually point those issues out.

I made a thread witch got 11k views, 11 pages talking about the issues. Guess it became too big and closed earlier..
That they do. But where is an official statement of what is going on.
Can I please get the wheel screwed back on and the gaspedal fixed to to the car I bought?

A serious company does not do that. Release broken content, dont fix it for now 5 weeks including this no maintenance week. It is embaressing. I dont get how there are still these white knights. But I guess if you just quest here and there, put on a dress and stand in some random tavern roleplaying, you will not see any of the issues and praise the game. Even though it is a broken mess.

Combat bugs, Necro skills, lags, fps issues. You only see those here on the forums. Guess we have to bring it to reddit aswell.

Osubaker33

Jhalin wrote: »

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

I really dont know where the doom and gloom comes tbh, they speak about gamebreaking bugs yet i play daily and encounter none. TBH even in posts complaining about bugs all i see is "there are game breaking bugs how can you not fix them!", yet i never see any list of bugs or examples. Starting to wonder if its not just trolling... My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.

If you aren’t doing trials, dungeons, PvP, or using the new class, then yeah, you won’t see many bugs because you haven’t even begun to play the game.

Even questing has issues, see: Nightmare Plataeu daily quest

Cyrodiil is really the only place I run into "problems" and by problems I mean its a near unplayable lagfest, disconnect every 5 min, infinite loading screen POS. If I was a pvp only player I would quit ESO and never come back. The only half way solution ive found is to just not pvp on weekends. Its not quite as bad during the week. The 7 day campaign also isn't nearly as bad.

I have no problem in trials or dungeons and I also play 3 Necromancers. The only place Necromancer acts like a total mess is again Cyrodiil.

Casul

Goregrinder wrote: »

VaranisArano wrote: »

theyancey wrote: »

The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.

No thanks.

Paying every month instead of just buying the DLC doesnt actually make players' opinions automatically worth more, nor does it magically grant them unbiased knowledge of ESO. That's just silliness. If the Official Forums were solely used for feedback to the devs about the future of the game, maybe you'd have a point...but they aren't.

Admittedly, I'm biased. I don't subscribe, and I've put a lot of time and effort into ESO to make sure that I don't have to in terms of inventory, plus I bought the the DLC I own.

Of course, I'm biased the other way. Frankly, I wouldn't pay to post here, and I wouldnt pay to read the opinions of a bunch of posters here either, no offense meant. Nobody should pay to read my opinions either...or I'd feel obligated to get a proofreader!

I guess as a whale and ESO+ member, I am biased. I'm only interested in hearing what other people like me have to say.

@Goregrinder
As long as people can put there feelings about the game into a constructive way whether it be balance changes, bug reports, or other topics. I feel everyone should have a voice.

For example I, along with many others, were displeased when they stopped the free crown crates for ESO+ members. As a result I expressed my disapproval of the decision and explained why I would be canceling my subscription.

If I had came into the discussion with "OmFg you ZoS noT givE mE freeee crattteeesss!!!!!!1!1!1!!!", then I would definitely agree with you. But that is what the moderators are there for. To regulate the constructive and reasonable views from the unconstructive ones.

xMovingTarget

frostz417 wrote: »

LucyferLightbringer wrote: »

I really dont know where the doom and gloom comes tbh, they speak about gamebreaking bugs yet i play daily and encounter none. TBH even in posts complaining about bugs all i see is "there are game breaking bugs how can you not fix them!", yet i never see any list of bugs or examples. Starting to wonder if its not just trolling... My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.

Alright bud. Here’s your game breaking bugs:
Activity finder
Stuck in combat
Sliding on the floor when hit by certain CC’s
Health desync
Delay in cc’s such as javelin or clench which causes either a slow motion animation or just a desync
Shadow image being bugged
Pirate skeleton monster set bugged causing you to not be able to bar swap when the set procs
Root poisons going through snare and root immunity
Double cc caused by flame clench
When pulling a target they sometimes just immediately teleport back to their original location after you pulled them
Loadscreens... everywhere
Loadscreens when a keep flips or upgrades causing entire groups to wipe due to lack of game management.
Necro does not work properly
- Blastbones acting strange(not attacking)
- Blastbones randomly not available to be casted(greyed out key)
- Detonating syphon turns your character around not firing the skill
- Detonating syphon not being able to hit bosses in Sunspire
- Detonating syphon not being able to be used when another necro placed a corpse on your corpse.
Mob telegraphs go in random direction instead of where they are shown
Bosses have broken hitboxes in sunpire not allowing some skills/proqqs to hit

I added some more into the quote in italic. And those are actually gamebreaking and all belong to or after Elsweyr. Been there pretty much since elsweyr release. Nothing got fixed. New class is broken, sunspire does not work properly.. ZOS needs to get their -snip- together...

Maxx7410

This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated

ArenGesus

Maxx7410 wrote: »

This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated

Yep, whenever I can't log in I just say to myself, "I'm probably exaggerating this issue that is 100% preventing me from using a service I paid full price for and can in no way obtain a refund. I'm a little bored and frustrated."

It is a good game - for those blessed enough to be able to play it. For the rest of us, it's a real life gold sink.

Maxx7410

See i am right!!!!

Thogard

ESO Reddit is the #1 source for spreading misinformation. There is no accountability, no tracing usernames back to players, no signatures, etc. The downvote system is gamed nonstop by people who might have a competing link or video.

Long story short, if you want to actually get good at ESO, stay as far away from Reddit as possible.

monk222

Maxx7410 wrote: »

This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated

I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.

rotaugen454

I’m not completely anti-Reddit, but I’ve seen character build advice there that is absolutely horrible with claims it beats any other build.

ArenGesus

monk222 wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated

I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.

Or... maybe it actually is broken? I get that a lot of people aren't experience game-breaking performance issues, but trivializing the problem for them doesn't help.

monk222

ArenGesus wrote: »

monk222 wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated

I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.

Or... maybe it actually is broken? I get that a lot of people aren't experience game-breaking performance issues, but trivializing the problem for them doesn't help.

I am not trivializing anything. I said "If you feel". Everyone has experienced the game differently.

ArenGesus

monk222 wrote: »

ArenGesus wrote: »

monk222 wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated

I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.

Or... maybe it actually is broken? I get that a lot of people aren't experience game-breaking performance issues, but trivializing the problem for them doesn't help.

I am not trivializing anything. I said "If you feel". Everyone has experienced the game differently.

Right, my point is that it isn't about feelings. I don't "feel" that I can't login - I can't log in. If I do manage to get a character load, I don't "feel" like my skills don't fire and that I can't swap bars - I can't use skills or swap bars. Making it as if people have a "feeling" about the performance of this game is trivializing it by turning it into an opinion. Come to my house and watch the game be objectively broken.

SeaGtGruff

I have to strongly disagree with the suggestion of limiting these forums to ESO+ users. What, buying the game and the DLC outright instead of "renting" it from month to month should mean that my dollars spent have less importance than an ESO+ user's dollars spent?

ImSoPro

theyancey wrote: »

The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.

How? Just so you can say you have access to something someone doesn’t? Lol. I’m an ESO + member but I don’t see how not including non ESO + members changes anything at all

monk222

ArenGesus wrote: »

monk222 wrote: »

ArenGesus wrote: »

monk222 wrote: »

Maxx7410 wrote: »

This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated

I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.

Or... maybe it actually is broken? I get that a lot of people aren't experience game-breaking performance issues, but trivializing the problem for them doesn't help.

I am not trivializing anything. I said "If you feel". Everyone has experienced the game differently.

Right, my point is that it isn't about feelings. I don't "feel" that I can't login - I can't log in. If I do manage to get a character load, I don't "feel" like my skills don't fire and that I can't swap bars - I can't use skills or swap bars. Making it as if people have a "feeling" about the performance of this game is trivializing it by turning it into an opinion. Come to my house and watch the game be objectively broken.

You're right. I should have said "think". I didn't mean to get your feelings involved. You think the game is broken. I think the game is fun to play and don't experience these issues. It wasn't my intent to trivialize your experience.