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ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated
I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.
Or... maybe it actually is broken? I get that a lot of people aren't experience game-breaking performance issues, but trivializing the problem for them doesn't help.
I am not trivializing anything. I said "If you feel". Everyone has experienced the game differently.
Right, my point is that it isn't about feelings. I don't "feel" that I can't login - I can't log in. If I do manage to get a character load, I don't "feel" like my skills don't fire and that I can't swap bars - I can't use skills or swap bars. Making it as if people have a "feeling" about the performance of this game is trivializing it by turning it into an opinion. Come to my house and watch the game be objectively broken.
You're right. I should have said "think". I didn't mean to get your feelings involved. You think the game is broken. I think the game is fun to play and don't experience these issues. It wasn't my intent to trivialize your experience.
Another difference between the forums and reddit - on reddit, this type of interaction would lead to the most up-voted comment being, "aww, now kiss!"2 -
LucyferLightbringer✭✭✭✭✭LucyferLightbringer wrote: »I really dont know where the doom and gloom comes tbh, they speak about gamebreaking bugs yet i play daily and encounter none. TBH even in posts complaining about bugs all i see is "there are game breaking bugs how can you not fix them!", yet i never see any list of bugs or examples. Starting to wonder if its not just trolling... My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.
Alright bud. Here’s your game breaking bugs:
Activity finder If by activity finder you mean group finder i use it daily for random dungeon as well as pledges, works fine.
Stuck in combat Never happened to me for no reason, there always was some mob somewhere that had a grudge with me
Sliding on the floor when hit by certain CC’s never experienced it
Health desync Never experience it as well, mods maybe?
Delay in cc’s such as javelin or clench which causes either a slow motion animation or just a desync Playing templar for last week, never seen javelin delay
Shadow image being bugged Cant comment on this not using it
Pirate skeleton monster set bugged causing you to not be able to bar swap when the set procs Cant comment on this not using it
Root poisons going through snare and root immunity Cant comment on this not using it
Double cc caused by flame clench Cant comment on this not using it
When pulling a target they sometimes just immediately teleport back to their original location after you pulled them Cant comment on this not using it
Loadscreens... everywhere This i have to agree with
Loadscreens when a keep flips or upgrades causing entire groups to wipe due to lack of game management. This i have to agree with
Also to your ridiculous event complain. All the events are literally the same trash.
“Double nodes in this certain zone and do dailies wooohoo”
More events put more strain on the server which causes even MORE lag and the recent massive influx of events was zos purely milking the game so they can get more new players and more money... even though literally almost all of the events were just the same repetitive lazy trash.
Maybe they are trash to you, for me as a new player they are a very welcome boost.4 -
daemonios✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.
I'm an ESO+ member (at least until it runs out, since I've cancelled my recurring subscription) and I'm always running off at the mouth and criticizing ESO and ZOS.
Know what would make the forums better? A community that is generally happy with the game.1 -
monk222✭✭This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated
I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.
Or... maybe it actually is broken? I get that a lot of people aren't experience game-breaking performance issues, but trivializing the problem for them doesn't help.
I am not trivializing anything. I said "If you feel". Everyone has experienced the game differently.
Right, my point is that it isn't about feelings. I don't "feel" that I can't login - I can't log in. If I do manage to get a character load, I don't "feel" like my skills don't fire and that I can't swap bars - I can't use skills or swap bars. Making it as if people have a "feeling" about the performance of this game is trivializing it by turning it into an opinion. Come to my house and watch the game be objectively broken.
You're right. I should have said "think". I didn't mean to get your feelings involved. You think the game is broken. I think the game is fun to play and don't experience these issues. It wasn't my intent to trivialize your experience.
Another difference between the forums and reddit - on reddit, this type of interaction would lead to the most up-voted comment being, "aww, now kiss!"
You're clearly here just to pick a fight. I tried to commiserate with you and offer a bit of advice. Best of luck to you sir.2 -
cjhhickman39✭✭✭✭Yes some days this place is a salt mine but it is literally where I learned to play the game.
Kind of miss the days where ad ep & dc had there own columns made doing Caldwell gold and silver so much easier when you could find out bugs in quests.
So much good information on crafting and yes this is where I discovered that we have a bank and how to use it2 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭This is a good game i think people that played for a long time are a little burned and every little bad thing can be
exaggerated. Also there arent real new thing to do and this can make people bored and frustrated
I agree with this. I think the longer people play the same mmo the more crabby they get about it. It happens to the best of us. It's happened to me a couple times before. I'd suggest if you feel this game is broken that badly maybe you should take a break for awhile and play something new.
Or... maybe it actually is broken? I get that a lot of people aren't experience game-breaking performance issues, but trivializing the problem for them doesn't help.
I am not trivializing anything. I said "If you feel". Everyone has experienced the game differently.
Right, my point is that it isn't about feelings. I don't "feel" that I can't login - I can't log in. If I do manage to get a character load, I don't "feel" like my skills don't fire and that I can't swap bars - I can't use skills or swap bars. Making it as if people have a "feeling" about the performance of this game is trivializing it by turning it into an opinion. Come to my house and watch the game be objectively broken.
You're right. I should have said "think". I didn't mean to get your feelings involved. You think the game is broken. I think the game is fun to play and don't experience these issues. It wasn't my intent to trivialize your experience.
Another difference between the forums and reddit - on reddit, this type of interaction would lead to the most up-voted comment being, "aww, now kiss!"
You're clearly here just to pick a fight. I tried to commiserate with you and offer a bit of advice. Best of luck to you sir.
No I'm not - I was keeping to the topic of the thread and intended it to be a light-hearted quip. Nobody agrees on anything on reddit, so you actually do see this a lot. I might not be funny, but it's not intentional.3 -
Bhaal5✭✭✭✭✭
✭The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.
I'm an ESO+ member (at least until it runs out, since I've cancelled my recurring subscription) and I'm always running off at the mouth and criticizing ESO and ZOS.
Know what would make the forums better? A community that is generally happy with the game.
Its a funny idea that. Having a game which has actual content to do, generally bug free and server that run to an acceptable standard... Its amazing how some 'people' think having a sub and if you spend more money makes you more entitled to have more of an opinion than others.0 -
Ri_Khan✭✭✭✭✭
✭The only thing that sub is good for is the daily set discussion. The rest of it is marketeers/shills doing their thing and zenimax approved posts that further their artificial narrative of how the game is all unicorns and rainbows.0 -
Genomic✭✭✭✭✭Reddit is deliberately designed to be a controllable hivemind. I used to visit Reddit a lot, but the structural simplification and homogenisation of ideas creates an almost dystopian-level beige groupthink.
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Reddit is deliberately designed to be a controllable hivemind. I used to visit Reddit a lot, but the structural simplification and homogenisation of ideas creates an almost dystopian-level beige groupthink.
Ayup. Not my sort of environment. Now, mind, I'm not really "in your face" antagonistic - but when I want to post something bound to incite argument, I don't really want to get a mod "in my face".
Argument is good, as long as it's civil. The mods here do tend to keep things civil. Unlike reddit - where as you said, it's "beige hive mind". Or words to that effect. Discussion of issues happens only when people have varying positions on those issues.1 -
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✭✭LucyferLightbringer wrote: »LucyferLightbringer wrote: »I really dont know where the doom and gloom comes tbh, they speak about gamebreaking bugs yet i play daily and encounter none. TBH even in posts complaining about bugs all i see is "there are game breaking bugs how can you not fix them!", yet i never see any list of bugs or examples. Starting to wonder if its not just trolling... My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.
Alright bud. Here’s your game breaking bugs:
Activity finder If by activity finder you mean group finder i use it daily for random dungeon as well as pledges, works fine.
Stuck in combat Never happened to me for no reason, there always was some mob somewhere that had a grudge with me
Sliding on the floor when hit by certain CC’s never experienced it
Health desync Never experience it as well, mods maybe?
Delay in cc’s such as javelin or clench which causes either a slow motion animation or just a desync Playing templar for last week, never seen javelin delay
Shadow image being bugged Cant comment on this not using it
Pirate skeleton monster set bugged causing you to not be able to bar swap when the set procs Cant comment on this not using it
Root poisons going through snare and root immunity Cant comment on this not using it
Double cc caused by flame clench Cant comment on this not using it
When pulling a target they sometimes just immediately teleport back to their original location after you pulled them Cant comment on this not using it
Loadscreens... everywhere This i have to agree with
Loadscreens when a keep flips or upgrades causing entire groups to wipe due to lack of game management. This i have to agree with
Also to your ridiculous event complain. All the events are literally the same trash.
“Double nodes in this certain zone and do dailies wooohoo”
More events put more strain on the server which causes even MORE lag and the recent massive influx of events was zos purely milking the game so they can get more new players and more money... even though literally almost all of the events were just the same repetitive lazy trash.
Maybe they are trash to you, for me as a new player they are a very welcome boost.
If you think health desync is a mod then This discussion is over1 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭LucyferLightbringer wrote: »LucyferLightbringer wrote: »I really dont know where the doom and gloom comes tbh, they speak about gamebreaking bugs yet i play daily and encounter none. TBH even in posts complaining about bugs all i see is "there are game breaking bugs how can you not fix them!", yet i never see any list of bugs or examples. Starting to wonder if its not just trolling... My only problem with ESO atm is lack of events. Before i joined i saw posts of people claiming there are loads, yet it is nearly 2 months now with no event at all.
Alright bud. Here’s your game breaking bugs:
Activity finder If by activity finder you mean group finder i use it daily for random dungeon as well as pledges, works fine.
Stuck in combat Never happened to me for no reason, there always was some mob somewhere that had a grudge with me
Sliding on the floor when hit by certain CC’s never experienced it
Health desync Never experience it as well, mods maybe?
Delay in cc’s such as javelin or clench which causes either a slow motion animation or just a desync Playing templar for last week, never seen javelin delay
Shadow image being bugged Cant comment on this not using it
Pirate skeleton monster set bugged causing you to not be able to bar swap when the set procs Cant comment on this not using it
Root poisons going through snare and root immunity Cant comment on this not using it
Double cc caused by flame clench Cant comment on this not using it
When pulling a target they sometimes just immediately teleport back to their original location after you pulled them Cant comment on this not using it
Loadscreens... everywhere This i have to agree with
Loadscreens when a keep flips or upgrades causing entire groups to wipe due to lack of game management. This i have to agree with
Also to your ridiculous event complain. All the events are literally the same trash.
“Double nodes in this certain zone and do dailies wooohoo”
More events put more strain on the server which causes even MORE lag and the recent massive influx of events was zos purely milking the game so they can get more new players and more money... even though literally almost all of the events were just the same repetitive lazy trash.
Maybe they are trash to you, for me as a new player they are a very welcome boost.
If you think health desync is a mod then This discussion is over
*rolls eyes* Pretty sure @LucyferLightbringer was saying that mods the person is using might be causing issues. And the "welcome boost" comment was specifically pointed at events - which for newer players ARE a welcome boost!0 -
SteveCampsOut✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rotaugen454 wrote: »So you want everyone to go over to Reddit and turn that into a complaintfest too?
Wouldn't work as the Reddit forums allow users to sink posts like battleships with the downvote where as here, any post with new post in it raises it right to the top again. On Reddit they downvote any negativity into oblivion where as here like feces, it keeps floating to the top...Edited by SteveCampsOut on June 25, 2019 2:08AM@ֆȶɛʋɛƈǟʍքֆօʊȶ⍟
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NinchiTV✭✭✭✭✭I feel like the reddit is full of 40+ year old home decorators and casual pvers (not hating) just not my cup of tea since im a pvper and there is hardly any threads on pvp or builds.4 -
StabbityDoom✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Honestly reddit seems to be mostly newbie players actually asking "So how do I play, I just bought the game?" I can't get a really good conversation over there. This may have complaints, but people "get it."1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭StabbityDoom wrote: »Honestly reddit seems to be mostly newbie players actually asking "So how do I play, I just bought the game?" I can't get a really good conversation over there. This may have complaints, but people "get it."
Definitely, I’ve picked up a ton of good info on the forums. At the end of the day complaints stem from being invested in the game, if people didn’t care they wouldn’t bother posting.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Bumi Rockafella wrote: »I feel like the reddit is full of 40+ year old home decorators and casual pvers (not hating) just not my cup of tea since im a pvper and there is hardly any threads on pvp or builds.
You may be right. There are a LOT of us (eh, I'm 30+ years past 40) and many of us have retired, and have a LOT of time to play something (like ESO, or the TES SPMR games). In general, the people I know in my age metric are simply not interested in pvp. Some of them do pvp, and some don't - it tends to depend on what people find fun.... and what their reflexes find doable.
I never had reflexes for pvp. That was fine, as I - just don't have any interest in it. I did pvp in WoW for a while in a friend's guild on a pvp server - didn't like it (MAJOR understatement there.....) In fact, of all the years I spent playing wow, the 8+ months I spent on that pvp server were what I remember as the most miserable, unfun time I ever had in that game.
I suppose if I thought pvp was fun (I decidedly do NOT), I'd figure out how to make it work even on a marginal connection (which is what I have). But since I am not ever going to do pvp again, I don't have to go there.
Thank the goddesses.1 -
Metafae✭✭✭✭✭PvP players always say Doom and Gloom.
They always argued that they never did anything to improve cyrodiil, even though literally every patch has been about PvP changes.
So many good PvE skill or sets get nerfed due to PvP problems, but still according the to PvP player, nothing ever changes in PvP. And yet they still play?
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭These are their OFFICIAL FORUMS
If they’re paying more notice to unofficial communication outlets, their communication is just as crap as we think it is
Yeah, quite.
I don't like Redidit.
It didn't even let me post two comments, within a few mins of each other, as apparently I had been doing "too much of that" and I had to "try again later".
Um, "too much" of posting comments on a forum?
What else is it there for?
It's there for thoughtful comments. Not just spamming insults.
Also, if you say something blatantly stupid on Reddit, the locals are able to knock you down a peg, which isn't possible here. So, that's probably a factor in keeping people in line.0 -
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✭Osubaker33 wrote: »1. Seems to be made up a lot more of new players, solo players, and rpers.
Congrats!
You pointed out the difference, there are no bugs if you only quest and RP, once you set foot into the MMO part of this RPG, thats where the problems begin.4 -
Grandma✭✭✭✭✭please god don't ruin the reddit too. The unending spam is already noxious on here. not sure why i even bother anymore.GH / 3/04/2021 / Elemental Catalyst Necromancer4 -
Dusk_Coven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭MojaveHeld wrote: »The problem is, the reddit is a lot more shallow than the forums. The most popular posts are almost always just some form of "here's a picture of my character, look how pretty it is!"
Yes, it is. Which is why when I go I change the sort from "Hot" to "New". Then you gloss over "Help me I can't read or think for myself" posts, and you wind up with very little left, but it might actually be worth your attention.
Which is fine for me because I don't want to waste my time sifting through too much that is meaningless.
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✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »These are their OFFICIAL FORUMS
If they’re paying more notice to unofficial communication outlets, their communication is just as crap as we think it is
Yeah, quite.
I don't like Redidit.
It didn't even let me post two comments, within a few mins of each other, as apparently I had been doing "too much of that" and I had to "try again later".
Um, "too much" of posting comments on a forum?
What else is it there for?
It's there for thoughtful comments. Not just spamming insults.
Also, if you say something blatantly stupid on Reddit, the locals are able to knock you down a peg, which isn't possible here. So, that's probably a factor in keeping people in line.
I was replying politely to someone saying Elsweyr was like Myanmar.
I wasn't "spamming insults". ><
The modding was automatic - not due to anything I had said wrong.
Possibly just due to me not confirming my email address, when I first joined (not sure).
"Worst" thing I have ever said on there was that a comment read like an ad - which it did.
The truth is the truth.
...and it will out, however much it is silenced.
But thanks for making obnoxious assumptions - really helpful comment there.
Shame I can't mark you down.Edited by Tigerseye on June 25, 2019 6:16AM2 -
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✭Sixteen replies in and nobody states the obvious? Well, I guess red feather got close...
Negativity gets hidden, downvoted, and/or deleted on the subreddit. That tone difference is an intentional, actively-maintained result by the moderation team there.
Yep, this is/was, exactly the same on the STO subreddit, so all the complainers went to their official forums, what they did then was to shadowban complainers on the official forums. In the end, all they are left with is a cacophony of white knights and the occasional person with a slight niggle but who, on the whole, wants to kiss dev-ass. They must then wonder why their metrics are declining and their accountant tells them they are running out of money!Skyrim Red Shirts. Join us at https://skyrimredshirts.co.ukJoin Skyrim Red Shirts. Free trader. We welcome all, from new players to Vets. A mature drama-free social group enjoying PVE questing, PvP, Dungeons, trials and arenas. Web, FB Group & Discord. Guild Hall, trial dummy, crafting, transmutation, banker & merchant. You may invite your friends. No requirements1 -
Billdor✭✭✭✭please god don't ruin the reddit too. The unending spam is already noxious on here. not sure why i even bother anymore.
Don't ruin the Reddit too? Excuse me but r/elderscrollsonline is literal garbage. Constant crappy screenshots with little substance and "oMg I bEaT vMa LoOk aT mE".
The ESO reddit is disgusting and the moderators are happy for it to continue.8 -
tahol10069✭✭✭✭Sixteen replies in and nobody states the obvious? Well, I guess red feather got close...
Negativity gets hidden, downvoted, and/or deleted on the subreddit. That tone difference is an intentional, actively-maintained result by the moderation team there.
I follow Reddit daily, even though I don't even have an account there. I just like to read stuff and follow some gaming forums. I have found ESO-Reddit to be somehow curious place, and I believe it is being manipulated by someone. Every day some of the most upvoted posts are low effort, generic screenshots, or posts like "I'm amazed of this awesome game it is brilliant omg I want to have it's babies". Mods have decided to allow posting of these screenshots for reason (it is not allowed in other games sub Reddit I visit because it is not actually advertisement board for the game). It is indeed intentional.
I'm especially curious about the rabid downvoating for every post that tries to talk about issues with the game. It happens in minutes, if not in seconds. So who does it?
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tahol10069✭✭✭✭The official forums would be MUCH better if they were limited to ESO+ members.
Nope. One would think so, but this is not my experience. SWTOR-official forum is only for people paying sub. Everyone can read it, or course, but you can't post or comment unless you have an active sub. That forum is also one of the worst cess pools I've ever encountered in interwebz (well, I don't visit really scary places so take that as you want).
See, there are legit insane people in this world. Some people are so insane they pay sub just so they can spend their time complaining and harassing anyone disagreeing with them, and keep endless drama going on. This happens in both sides, people fanboing the game and people hating the game (but still paying sub, I said some people are insane). Some people have spent years doing this. The only time I've ever told a person to get a life was there, and I still feel kinda bad about it but it was the truth. I really met people there who had stopped playing the game, but payed sub just so they can fight with others on the forum. It was crazy. This forum is pretty healthy place compared to that.2 -
xMovingTarget✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭It's because Reddit has much more active and aggressive moderation. Which is a good thing (IMO).
Not when any rightfully spread negativity is suppressed. The game runs like a persons behind, is buggy like never before. Talking about these issues is not random complaining or negativity.
If there are issues, people should be able to talk about them IN ANY OUTLET available.
If you cant let your dissatisfaction about a product that becomes worse and worse, then nothing will ever get fixed. And those companies will lose revenue.
Happy costumors are paying costumers. Game is laggy/buggy. People will not give their money likely.3
