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Cross-save
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idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭For real i am going to start playing destiny 2 in the fall just for the cross-save. I reckon alot will do the same
I have found people play the game because they enjoy playing the game. If a player is going to leave a game because of something that does not involve actual game play then they were not really into the game for starters.2 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »What's a crossave precious?
Just what it sounds like champ, Where you can log into your account no matter which platform you are on. ESO doesn't save anything client side, so it ought to be easy.
Well, if i cant play the game by logging into it, then what is the advantage?
what are you on about? i have played on both the xbox and the PC version lately, different accounts obviously, was fine for me.
I'm going on about cross ave and trying to understand what the advantage is about? What does cross save give me and ai still havent got an answer from anyone.
Also i am not a champ. Champ is a dog. I am not a dog. Miss would be appropriate though, given my age and gender,
how about access to a larger pool of players? isnt that worth something. i have friends that would play but they wont play on the pc and i really don't want to invest too much time into console, as i have 12 toons and almost 200 in game days (that is 4800 hours for people that count like that) on the pc, i just cant justify lossing all that to play with them, though i have started a toon on the xbox recently, as the game is part of the Xbox Game Pass Ultimate and i got that for a dollar for the next 3 years.
and to the bold, you used the term "precious", invoking a your own contempt for the person, so i though i would toss in my own. i don't care if your 80 or a woman, i don't see what that has to do with the subject at hand, sport.
Its a Lord of the Rings meme. It comes from from a line that Gollum says in The Two Towers. Sam is reminiscing about wanting taters to cook in a stew along with a rabbit Gollum caught.
"What's taters, precious? What's taters?"
"Precious" is the name Gollum uses for the One Ring.2 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭yes it is. it is his most precious possession. so how would that be an insult? to refer to a person with the name given to their most prized possession? Another example of misreading context as far as i can tell if by the example you gave you view it as an insult.Edited by ryzen_gamer_gal on June 23, 2019 12:31AM1
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Sylvermynx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »yes it is. it is his most precious possession. so how would that be an insult
The implication is in the reader's mind I think....0 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »yes it is. it is his most precious possession. so how would that be an insult
The implication is in the reader's mind I think....
it's a projection of their own distorted thinking, not in the meaning of the word itself, given the context.0 -
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✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »yes it is. it is his most precious possession. so how would that be an insult
The implication is in the reader's mind I think....
it's a projection of their own distorted thinking, not in the meaning of the word itself, given the context.
Lighten up, Francis.4 -
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✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »What's a crossave precious?
Just what it sounds like champ, Where you can log into your account no matter which platform you are on. ESO doesn't save anything client side, so it ought to be easy.
Well, if i cant play the game by logging into it, then what is the advantage?
what are you on about? i have played on both the xbox and the PC version lately, different accounts obviously, was fine for me.
I'm going on about cross ave and trying to understand what the advantage is about? What does cross save give me and ai still havent got an answer from anyone.
Also i am not a champ. Champ is a dog. I am not a dog. Miss would be appropriate though, given my age and gender,
With cross save the two accounts would be equal and you wouldn't level them separately, what one has the other has.
Not to be confused with cross play where the two platform players meet.
They would have to coordinate the databases between all the platforms in realtime.
Otherwise you would (for example) do your writs on a console and not see them finished on PC/Mac, which would cause the forums to melt down for that insufficiency, too.
They can't even fix rubberbanding.....
Edited by twev on June 23, 2019 1:07AMThe problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Where's the benefits for someone who wouldn't touch consoles with a hundred foot pole? (me.... I'm a pc person, have been since 1984). So y'all want a lot of money poured into something that only console players would use?
Bad juju.1 -
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✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Where's the benefits for someone who wouldn't touch consoles with a hundred foot pole? (me.... I'm a pc person, have been since 1984). So y'all want a lot of money poured into something that only console players would use?
Bad juju.
There are probably not a few players who play both, and want one account to span both sets of platform in realtime for a given character, but I agree the population is (probably) not that large as far as ZOS is concerned.
Plus, as was brought up in a comment above - it would involve MS and Sony in the mix, and mean that PC/Mac players had to wait until the console versions of software/patches were vetted.
I for one feel no obligation to have to wait for the console corporations to do their dance.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Where's the benefits for someone who wouldn't touch consoles with a hundred foot pole? (me.... I'm a pc person, have been since 1984). So y'all want a lot of money poured into something that only console players would use?
Bad juju.
There are probably not a few players who play both, and want one account to span both sets of platform in realtime for a given character, but I agree the population is (probably) not that large as far as ZOS is concerned.
Plus, as was brought up in a comment above - it would involve MS and Sony in the mix, and mean that PC/Mac players had to wait until the console versions of software/patches were vetted.
I for one feel no obligation to have to wait for the console corporations to do their dance.
Well.... as far as waiting for patches - I'm good with that. However.... I'm probably the ONLY PC player to be that way!0 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »yes it is. it is his most precious possession. so how would that be an insult
The implication is in the reader's mind I think....
it's a projection of their own distorted thinking, not in the meaning of the word itself, given the context.
Lighten up, Francis.
Francis is a male name isnt it? I am not. Who is Francis?0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »ManwithBeard9 wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »yes it is. it is his most precious possession. so how would that be an insult
The implication is in the reader's mind I think....
it's a projection of their own distorted thinking, not in the meaning of the word itself, given the context.
Lighten up, Francis.
Francis is a male name isnt it? I am not. Who is Francis?
Can't tell if serious or not. This thread has broken my sarcasm detector. Its also a meme...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Where's the benefits for someone who wouldn't touch consoles with a hundred foot pole? (me.... I'm a pc person, have been since 1984). So y'all want a lot of money poured into something that only console players would use?
Bad juju.
There are probably not a few players who play both, and want one account to span both sets of platform in realtime for a given character, but I agree the population is (probably) not that large as far as ZOS is concerned.
Plus, as was brought up in a comment above - it would involve MS and Sony in the mix, and mean that PC/Mac players had to wait until the console versions of software/patches were vetted.
I for one feel no obligation to have to wait for the console corporations to do their dance.
Well.... as far as waiting for patches - I'm good with that. However.... I'm probably the ONLY PC player to be that way!
Actually, no. As a PC player, I wouldn't mind waiting a couple of days/weeks for patches, that's a minor annoyance. I'd welcome cross play.
But that would mean a merge of all 6 megaservers into one, or, at best TWO (US/NA) megaservers. Else there would be unsolvable issues with friends lists, guilds, etc.
And then console players would play together with PC players in the one same world, and start complaining about the unfair competition of addon users. That's where I see the major problem. That, and the overall serverload capacity.
I'm ready to wait for patches for the sake of cross play, but I'm not ready to play without addons.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Sylvermynx wrote: »Where's the benefits for someone who wouldn't touch consoles with a hundred foot pole? (me.... I'm a pc person, have been since 1984). So y'all want a lot of money poured into something that only console players would use?
Bad juju.
There are probably not a few players who play both, and want one account to span both sets of platform in realtime for a given character, but I agree the population is (probably) not that large as far as ZOS is concerned.
Plus, as was brought up in a comment above - it would involve MS and Sony in the mix, and mean that PC/Mac players had to wait until the console versions of software/patches were vetted.
I for one feel no obligation to have to wait for the console corporations to do their dance.
Well.... as far as waiting for patches - I'm good with that. However.... I'm probably the ONLY PC player to be that way!
Actually, no. As a PC player, I wouldn't mind waiting a couple of days/weeks for patches, that's a minor annoyance. I'd welcome cross play.
But that would mean a merge of all 6 megaservers into one, or, at best TWO (US/NA) megaservers. Else there would be unsolvable issues with friends lists, guilds, etc.
And then console players would play together with PC players in the one same world, and start complaining about the unfair competition of addon users. That's where I see the major problem. That, and the overall serverload capacity.
I'm ready to wait for patches for the sake of cross play, but I'm not ready to play without addons.
I think you're talking about cross-play.
This is talking about cross-save, which isn't quite the same thing. As I understand it, its letting you play from the same account on PC or console. So instead of having Console players playing with PC players from their consoles, you'd have a player who started their account on console logging onto PC and playing the same account from their PC. So it would still be PC players playing with PC, and so theoretically they'd have access to addons while playing on PC as those don't change the account at all.
Essentially, if a Console player wanted to play on their PC, they could use their same account which is cross-saved to the PC server, not having to buy a new account and rebuy all the content they own on their console account. Or vice versa. That's the idea.
That being said, there are problems with server overload, as you say. You keep the separate servers for the platforms, but now all three NA servers have to expand to carry the extra capacity of anyone who cross saves. So it would be like PC/NA + (NA any cross-saved accounts from consoles). I'd argue that ZOS clearly can't handle the current population on PC/NA or PC/EU, much less adding in cross-saved accounts.
There's also the database issues that could with effectively transferring accounts to different servers, which ZOS has said was a one time thing. And again, their current issues do not give me confidence in ZOS ability to pull it off.2 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »I think you're talking about cross-play.
This is talking about cross-save, which isn't quite the same thing. As I understand it, its letting you play from the same account on PC or console. So instead of having Console players playing with PC players from their consoles, you'd have a player who started their account on console logging onto PC and playing the same account from their PC. So it would still be PC players playing with PC, and so theoretically they'd have access to addons while playing on PC as those don't change the account at all.
I understand what you're saying, but applied to an MMO, wouldn't cross-save be equal to cross-play ?
If I play on PS4, and save on PS4, and then log on on PC... where are my friends ? Where are my guilds ? I can sell on PC stuff I've farmed on the PS4 megaserver...
The save itself is not the issue, but the persistent "living" world around it.
It implies merging the megaservers, and, de facto, cross play.
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VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I think you're talking about cross-play.
This is talking about cross-save, which isn't quite the same thing. As I understand it, its letting you play from the same account on PC or console. So instead of having Console players playing with PC players from their consoles, you'd have a player who started their account on console logging onto PC and playing the same account from their PC. So it would still be PC players playing with PC, and so theoretically they'd have access to addons while playing on PC as those don't change the account at all.
I understand what you're saying, but applied to an MMO, wouldn't cross-save be equal to cross-play ?
If I play on PS4, and save on PS4, and then log on on PC... where are my friends ? Where are my guilds ? I can sell on PC stuff I've farmed on the PS4 megaserver...
The save itself is not the issue, but the persistent "living" world around it.
It implies merging the megaservers, and, de facto, cross play.
Actual cross-play is being able to play with each other using different video game hardware. So when you described having a single server/single game world where players are playing on PC and console together - that would be cross-play.
Its harder to say how ESO would handle cross-save. I see different examples of how other games are handling it. You bring up some good points about the ability to farm on one server and bring it over. I suspect that the easiest implementation is simply for ESO to credit the purchased things on the account like DLC and collectibles.0 -
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✭✭Might happen if they end of life ESO, and start over with a new game."The Heritance are racists yes? Idiots. But dangerous, destabilizing racist idiots." - Razum-dar
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shimm✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Can't tell if serious or not. This thread has broken my sarcasm detector. Its also a meme...
Meme?! It was from the movie “Stripes”... in 1981.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »Can't tell if serious or not. This thread has broken my sarcasm detector. Its also a meme...
Meme?! It was from the movie “Stripes”... in 1981.
Yes... So?
Seriously, my sarcasm detector is so broken, this thread. Just like the "What's taters, precious?" Reference used earlier in the thread, this one is also a movie quote used as a meme here, and therefore not to be taken seriously or as refering to anyone in thread as actually being "Francis".
Have I thoroughly explained the joke to death yet?Edited by VaranisArano on June 23, 2019 3:59PM1 -
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✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
I don't see how addons would play any part. Addons are simply UI modifications.
As for the big update patches they could have it that once the player has logged on the PC version of say "Update 25", they cannot log into the Xbox version until it also is at "Update 25".0 -
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✭Yep I'll be playing Destiny more when its cross-save launches. I own D2 on xbox and PC (since launch) but favor xbox because I've progressed more on that account. So now I'll be able to pick up and play on whichever platform I feel like while having the progress carried over. Destiny is also going F2P for the base game or whatever they're calling it when it launches on steam.
It would be nice if ESO had cross-save. I've always wanted to try ESO on xbox since I've only played on PC, but I refuse to buy it again or start from scratch. Sadly I just don't think we'll ever see cross-save in ESO because even if ZO$ could do it then it would mean a lost in revenue. I doubt the base game would ever go F2P either.0 -
BrooksP✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I think you're talking about cross-play.
This is talking about cross-save, which isn't quite the same thing. As I understand it, its letting you play from the same account on PC or console. So instead of having Console players playing with PC players from their consoles, you'd have a player who started their account on console logging onto PC and playing the same account from their PC. So it would still be PC players playing with PC, and so theoretically they'd have access to addons while playing on PC as those don't change the account at all.
I understand what you're saying, but applied to an MMO, wouldn't cross-save be equal to cross-play ?
If I play on PS4, and save on PS4, and then log on on PC... where are my friends ? Where are my guilds ? I can sell on PC stuff I've farmed on the PS4 megaserver...
The save itself is not the issue, but the persistent "living" world around it.
It implies merging the megaservers, and, de facto, cross play.
Actual cross-play is being able to play with each other using different video game hardware. So when you described having a single server/single game world where players are playing on PC and console together - that would be cross-play.
Its harder to say how ESO would handle cross-save. I see different examples of how other games are handling it. You bring up some good points about the ability to farm on one server and bring it over. I suspect that the easiest implementation is simply for ESO to credit the purchased things on the account like DLC and collectibles.
In a persistent game like ESO it would be hard to have cross-save without crossplay. As you would be simply jumping to and from PC and console megaservers, which means any guilds, friends, trader listings, mail, etc would be separate.
In all honestly this seems like a waste, simply due to the sheer amount of backend restructuring needed for such a niche option. Since most console players will spend majority of their time on console and PC players on PC. Now if ESO was already crossplay then sure, as that would mean most of the backend hurdles would be cleared, since cross-save requires similar adjustments as cross-play.
Lastly more players on a server isn't always a good thing, even if the server can handle it, the game isn't designed in a manner which supports it. They would have to shard it or rely on phasing, otherwise the game would be miserable to play.Edited by BrooksP on June 23, 2019 1:58PM3 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lastly more players on a server isn't always a good thing, even if the server can handle it, the game isn't designed in a manner which supports it. They would have to shard it or rely on phasing, otherwise the game would be miserable to play.
The game's already split into several shards on the same megaserver. Not only Cyrodiil, but every zone spawns more shards when required by the number of players. Traders and chats are shared, but nothing else.
Apart from that, I agree with everything you said. For ESO, cross-saving would require cross-playing.
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RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭Sylvermynx wrote: »Where's the benefits for someone who wouldn't touch consoles with a hundred foot pole? (me.... I'm a pc person, have been since 1984). So y'all want a lot of money poured into something that only console players would use?
Bad juju.
It wouldn't make any difference to you whatsoever.0 -
shimm✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Yes... So?
Seriously, my sarcasm detector is so broken, this thread. Just like the "What's taters, precious?" Reference used earlier in the thread, this one is also a movoe quote used as a meme here, and therefore not to be taken seriously or as refering to anyone in thread as actually being "Francis".
Have I thoroughly explained the joke to death yet?
Lol so angry! Was just pointing out the movie was older. Lighten up Varanis.0 -
RodneyRegis✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »VaranisArano wrote: »I think you're talking about cross-play.
This is talking about cross-save, which isn't quite the same thing. As I understand it, its letting you play from the same account on PC or console. So instead of having Console players playing with PC players from their consoles, you'd have a player who started their account on console logging onto PC and playing the same account from their PC. So it would still be PC players playing with PC, and so theoretically they'd have access to addons while playing on PC as those don't change the account at all.
I understand what you're saying, but applied to an MMO, wouldn't cross-save be equal to cross-play ?
If I play on PS4, and save on PS4, and then log on on PC... where are my friends ? Where are my guilds ? I can sell on PC stuff I've farmed on the PS4 megaserver...
The save itself is not the issue, but the persistent "living" world around it.
It implies merging the megaservers, and, de facto, cross play.
Actual cross-play is being able to play with each other using different video game hardware. So when you described having a single server/single game world where players are playing on PC and console together - that would be cross-play.
Its harder to say how ESO would handle cross-save. I see different examples of how other games are handling it. You bring up some good points about the ability to farm on one server and bring it over. I suspect that the easiest implementation is simply for ESO to credit the purchased things on the account like DLC and collectibles.
In a persistent game like ESO it would be hard to have cross-save without crossplay. As you would be simply jumping to and from PC and console megaservers, which means any guilds, friends, trader listings, mail, etc would be separate.
In all honestly this seems like a waste, simply due to the sheer amount of backend restructuring needed for such a niche option. Since most console players will spend majority of their time on console and PC players on PC. Now if ESO was already crossplay then sure, as that would mean most of the backend hurdles would be cleared, since cross-save requires similar adjustments as cross-play.
Lastly more players on a server isn't always a good thing, even if the server can handle it, the game isn't designed in a manner which supports it. They would have to shard it or rely on phasing, otherwise the game would be miserable to play.
W...what? Why?
I play a dragon Knight khajiit. He has 5000 gold and has unlocked these skills and has this in his inventory. He is wearing that and has those skills slotted. I'm in rotten. If I log out of pc, I log back into PS4 in the same place with the same skills and gear, with he same cp and stuff in my inventory. What difference does it make? Nothing like the same issues as crossplay. It's a few bytes of data in tables.0 -
VaranisArano✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭VaranisArano wrote: »
Yes... So?
Seriously, my sarcasm detector is so broken, this thread. Just like the "What's taters, precious?" Reference used earlier in the thread, this one is also a movoe quote used as a meme here, and therefore not to be taken seriously or as refering to anyone in thread as actually being "Francis".
Have I thoroughly explained the joke to death yet?
Lol so angry! Was just pointing out the movie was older. Lighten up Varanis.
Hah, well played.
Edited by VaranisArano on June 23, 2019 4:02PM0
