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Do you believe that billionaires exist?
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Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, ESO really doesn’t have billionaires.Frankly I'm not bothered whether there are gold billionaires or not, it means nothing as they wouldn't have anything to spend their gold on beyond a few million anyway, and the relevance of it to the case for or against an alternative trading system is questionable.
Its only possible relevance is if defenders of the present system believe that it is a massive gold sink and it should turn out that most of the gold concerned isn't actually disappearing out of the game (which is the sole purpose of a gold sink) but is simply transferring from multiple player bank accounts into a very few player bank accounts. That would put in question both the effectiveness of the gold sink as well as the veracity of the claim often made that the game has a vibrant economy.
If you don’t even understand what a gold sink is, maybe stop before you make a fool of yourself trying to say the trader bid system (aka billions of gold being removed from the game every week) isn’t this game’s biggest gold sink.4 -
HappyTheCamper✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.I’ve seen youtubers showing off builds, and in the corner I’ll see their gold or crown amount. They exist2 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.Sure, but these players are making real money from their efforts I'd guarantee it.Edited by Runefang on June 21, 2019 11:25PM1 -
jainiadral✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Probably, but who cares? Worrying about silly stuff like fake-money billionaires in a video game is a quick ticket to an early grave. And it's sure not an excuse to keep potentially millions of players hostage to an exclusionary, inconvenient cartel.0 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Frankly I'm not bothered whether there are gold billionaires or not, it means nothing as they wouldn't have anything to spend their gold on beyond a few million anyway, and the relevance of it to the case for or against an alternative trading system is questionable.
Its only possible relevance is if defenders of the present system believe that it is a massive gold sink and it should turn out that most of the gold concerned isn't actually disappearing out of the game (which is the sole purpose of a gold sink) but is simply transferring from multiple player bank accounts into a very few player bank accounts. That would put in question both the effectiveness of the gold sink as well as the veracity of the claim often made that the game has a vibrant economy.
If you don’t even understand what a gold sink is, maybe stop before you make a fool of yourself trying to say the trader bid system (aka billions of gold being removed from the game every week) isn’t this game’s biggest gold sink.
I never said that it wasn't, but clearly if there are billions of gold in traders' bank accounts then clearly it's not as big a gold sink as some would claim that it is.1 -
Heelie✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.of course there is..... I know a few on PC EU just off the top off my headMost OwOrated healer of all time2 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.The game has been out 5 years, of course at least one player has a billion gold accumulated by now...2 -
JKorr✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, there are players who have multiple hundreds of millions. Earned legit or by exploits, yes, its out there.0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, ESO really doesn’t have billionaires.Frankly I'm not bothered whether there are gold billionaires or not, it means nothing as they wouldn't have anything to spend their gold on beyond a few million anyway, and the relevance of it to the case for or against an alternative trading system is questionable.
Its only possible relevance is if defenders of the present system believe that it is a massive gold sink and it should turn out that most of the gold concerned isn't actually disappearing out of the game (which is the sole purpose of a gold sink) but is simply transferring from multiple player bank accounts into a very few player bank accounts. That would put in question both the effectiveness of the gold sink as well as the veracity of the claim often made that the game has a vibrant economy.
If you don’t even understand what a gold sink is, maybe stop before you make a fool of yourself trying to say the trader bid system (aka billions of gold being removed from the game every week) isn’t this game’s biggest gold sink.
I never said that it wasn't, but clearly if there are billions of gold in traders' bank accounts then clearly it's not as big a gold sink as some would claim that it is.
That’s not how you determine if a gold sink is effective. The lack of any significant inflation over five years is plenty clear that these gold sinks are working.
Edit: and quit trying to play off trader guilds as boogeyman. Plenty of casual players have 1mil+ banked, because earning gold is easyEdited by Jhalin on June 22, 2019 1:08AM4 -
Ufretin✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.I only do writs on 5 chars and sell whatever I pick up from dailies, exploring and pvp. I never resell stuff. Over the years I've accumulated 43M cash plus huge stacks of mats.
Are there players who play for 12+ hours a day, do a lot of reselling or sell crowns who are 20x wealthier than me? Most certainly.3 -
Imza✭✭✭✭jainiadral wrote: »Probably, but who cares? Worrying about silly stuff like fake-money billionaires in a video game is a quick ticket to an early grave. And it's sure not an excuse to keep potentially millions of players hostage to an exclusionary, inconvenient cartel.
well - of course it matters....
One Hundred Thousand Million is not the same as one billion.... it takes Nine hundred and ninety nine thousand million plus a bit more to become a billionaire.....0 -
Vizikul✭✭✭✭Yes, those gold traders that command legions of bots.Pugging. Pugging all the way to victory.Imperial Dragonknight --- male, stamina, heavy & medium armor, dual wield, one hand and shield, two handed.
Breton Templar --- female, magicka, light armor, restoration staff.
Redguard Warden --- female, stamina, medium armor, bow.
Breton Sorcerer --- male, magicka, light armor, destruction staff.
Imperial Templar --- male, stamina, medium armor, two handed.
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familylwl✭✭✭Of course.I was a employee in a Chinese game studio.Farming gold was my work.20+characters do the same action.This compony even have support who known three languages.I have 4 workmates in this game we can farm 500000 one day.3
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familylwl✭✭✭Of course.I was a employee in a Chinese game studio.Farming gold was my work.20+characters do the same action.This compony even have support who known three languages.I have 4 workmates in this game we can farm 500000 one day.
most we farmed 1500000 gold oneday.we have 800 accounts .
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MLGProPlayer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.Yes. You can easily make a few million gold every day. And if you play all day and do nothing but trade, getting to a billion isn't outside the realm of possibility.1 -
BrooksP✭✭✭I would be more surprised if there wasn't. There are numerous players who find gaining wealth a game within itself. Finding and mastering different revenue streams, managing and prioritizing income sources, progress in seeing increases in income generation, advancement through being able to diversify, etc. In most of these cases the money itself is secondary as it simply becomes just a number.Edited by BrooksP on June 22, 2019 4:29AM0
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Knootewoot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.I’m sure somewhere a handful of people might have hit a billion, but only cuz I also know how easy it is to get millions through mostly casual play.
Yet you vote no?
Poll is no longer valid.
I also think ESO has billionaires. Money is easy to get, even for a slacker like me who played only 2 hours a day a few days a week.
No, I didn't have even a million though. But I can imagine people playing all day all week like some seem to do and sell all stuff.. yeah they could make billionaires.٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶
"I am a nightblade. Blending the disciplines of the stealthy agent and subtle wizard, I move unseen and undetected, foil locks and traps, and teleport to safety when threatened, or strike like a viper from ambush. The College of Illusion hides me and fuddles or pacifies my opponents. The College of Mysticism detects my object, reflects and dispels enemy spells, and makes good my escape. The key to a nightblade's success is avoidance, by spell or by stealth; with these skills, all things are possible."1 -
bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.Would not surprise me, especially with how many years some people have been playing.
With my 18 characters doing writs each day:
-16 each earns 4648 gold, 2 earn 4690 gold each day
=83748 gold per day for the quest turn ins. Not including ornate items that are vendored.
which can add anywhere from 3K - 8K of extra gold per day.(basically covering the costs, with a small profit for the purchase of style stones each day.
If I did my writs every day of the week:
83748 times 7 = 586236 gold per week, again just from the quest turn ins.
On average from sales in the trade guilds I am in, I make a bit over a million gold per week(I could make more but I don't put in as much effort now, for example I haven't been harvesting my surveys, thus the million a week average)
lets see:
586236 times 52 weeks in a year = 30484272
add a rough estimate of a million a week in guild store sales on average
=82484272 gold per year without flipping a thing yet.
Whatever gold you manage to save, you can then use to flip and make your millions/billions. Personally I don't spend hours browsing guild store and am happy with the gold I make each week.
I know players who have multiple accounts, who do double the amount of writs I do on a daily basis. Just because the character cap has only just gone up to 18 does not mean, there haven't been players for years with multiple accounts, going way over the caps.
I only started playing back in December 2018, before ESO, I played SWTOR's inflated Galactic trade market, made and wasted billions of credits, ESO's, economy did not take me long to figure out, its just a question of how much time your prepared to put in, some people grind levels, I make a point of setting up my gold supply in a game first, leveling second.
God knows how rich some players are who have been playing since launch at this point. I have no doubt there are billionaires in this game.
If there were a central auction house, I have no doubt, they would buy out certain items, you know why? Because I would too, without a second thought the moment they decide to introduce the system or at the very least I would up my prices to make it less lucrative for people to resell my stuff.0 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, ESO really doesn’t have billionaires.Knootewoot wrote: »I’m sure somewhere a handful of people might have hit a billion, but only cuz I also know how easy it is to get millions through mostly casual play.
Yet you vote no?
Poll is no longer valid.
I also think ESO has billionaires. Money is easy to get, even for a slacker like me who played only 2 hours a day a few days a week.
No, I didn't have even a million though. But I can imagine people playing all day all week like some seem to do and sell all stuff.. yeah they could make billionaires.
I voted no because that much amassed gold is an oddity. For the same reason, I wouldn't answer yes to "Are jaguars pets?" just because a few celebrities keep them as such.0 -
Chicharron✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.I used to have millions, until my wife started playing, now i buy her things that she never uses in real and in virtual life.
Every time i enter my account i see less and less gold in the bank.1 -
Unij✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.redspecter23 wrote: »I'm not a billionaire, but I'm sure there are some that exist. To reinforce your point though, if an AH was introduced tomorrow, I'd buy every Cornflower posted and stand there all day long and buy all the new ones posted and repost for 5000 gold each just to hear the chorus of cries from players that complain about the prices currently.
And this is what the guys from TTC do, they filter and buy up all the high value items in the game without listing them on their site.Main char is a Strong Nord Man, Thief, Vampire, Healer, Mastercrafter. PC-EU since 2016.0 -
Metafae✭✭✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.Given how easily I was able to accrue 7 million gold without really doing anything intensive for it, I can imagine that if someone is very serious about the trading in this game they could easily reach 1 billion.0 -
AbysmalGhul✭✭✭✭✭
✭HappyTheCamper wrote: »I’ve seen youtubers showing off builds, and in the corner I’ll see their gold or crown amount. They exist
Same!Edited by AbysmalGhul on June 22, 2019 7:36AM0 -
richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭I've seen a guy stream with 999 million on one character. They most certainly do exist.
The players on videos with 999 million are running on the PTS where they are given lots of gold and crowns and crown items are sold for 1 crown each. For test purposes. Their inventories likely have strange coffers in them too filled with certain items.2 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »I'm not a billionaire, but I'm sure there are some that exist. To reinforce your point though, if an AH was introduced tomorrow, I'd buy every Cornflower posted and stand there all day long and buy all the new ones posted and repost for 5000 gold each just to hear the chorus of cries from players that complain about the prices currently.
All that does is make people go farm their mats.
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rsantijw13✭✭✭Yes, ESO has players will billions of gold.Shadzilla- pretty sure the gold cap was 3 billion and they hit it. Nicest guy you will ever meet. Check out is house. Think he made an alt account just to start collecting more.0
