THEY GET IN THE WAY! I just can't bring myself to use that darn twilight

KBKB wrote: »

I've seen like one of you in a week. I personally don't use them cause clunk, bar space and it's a little trashy to rely on bad targeting mechanics.

I just wanted to say God bless your cotton socks and keep fighting the good fight.

I didn't run one for an age. I didn't switch for meta, i switched because Healing Ward got nerfed, and i needed undressed health with nerfmire. It was time to move away from Restro and the pets are our only class heal.

Bad / noob Folks hate on the pets but they have plenty of downsides and they are way weaker since last patch. Folks just like to shine when they can't counter something by learning that extra 1% required.

Give us a viable one bar class heal, and I'm there.

airilie wrote: »

I switched back to magsorc from magblade a few weeks ago. I thought twilight was going to be awesome, but the heal was underwhelming and really expensive. The pet is unreliable outside of 1v1, so overall not a lot to like about petsorc imo. Healing ward is still good and only takes 1 bar space, surprised so few sorcs use it.

People always overlook when just comparing the tooltip of the twilight heal to other heals, that contrary to other healing classes sorc does have absolutely zero native access to healing buffs - let alone convenient ones.
Then sorc also has somewhat of a hard time splitting CP between healing increases and bastion.
So while it is one of the better tooltip heals - it´s not nearly as effective as other can be when utilized in their respective class toolkit.

I still think it´s a tad too strong and not fitting for the sorc toolkit though. I´d much rather have it be a short duration (3 to 6s) hot instead of a generic burstheal that we currently have too many of in the game.

Non-pet magsorc here too. Keep fighting the good fight, and not relying on your pets for easymode LOS and free mitigation.

Playing my (frankly OP) sorcerer alt I’ve tried the zoo build as well as petless. Zoo build has a lot of survivability if you dance around the pets, and I know from the other side how annoying targetting them is. Without pets survivability is lower but you have either more aoe damage, more burst and/or more mobility. And to be frank potentially still really good survivability. So its really just a trade off. The lack of easy control over the pets is annoying in bigger brawls though.

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

I wouldn’t use a pet if healing ward didn’t get nerfed because it’s pretty frustrating to be at half health and see your heal get smacked by a Dawnbreaker or an incap and die.

Combat prayer is your friend. Plus it gives you more damage.

jaws343 wrote: »

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

I wouldn’t use a pet if healing ward didn’t get nerfed because it’s pretty frustrating to be at half health and see your heal get smacked by a Dawnbreaker or an incap and die.

Combat prayer is your friend. Plus it gives you more damage.

I’ve tried it and I’ve found it just wasn’t a big enough heal when you’re outnumbered.

jaws343 wrote: »

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

jaws343 wrote: »

ItsNotLiving wrote: »

I wouldn’t use a pet if healing ward didn’t get nerfed because it’s pretty frustrating to be at half health and see your heal get smacked by a Dawnbreaker or an incap and die.

Combat prayer is your friend. Plus it gives you more damage.

I’ve tried it and I’ve found it just wasn’t a big enough heal when you’re outnumbered.

It does just a slightly less amount of healing than Ward. But it is guaranteed to land on you. Healing Ward was always unreliable if you were around lower health allies. It is also costs 800 mag less at base.

On top of that, Combat prayer gives you minor ward and resolve and minor berserk. It is a really strong skill, one I was using on my petless magsorc prior to the healing ward changes.

Might have to try it out if I can get my hands on a set of crafty alfiq, thanks for the tip!

Also, if you want a heal other than the twilight and that’s why you don’t run non-pet. Give blessing of protection a try. It works fine for me in 1vX.

Urvoth wrote: »

Not only are pets annoying to fight, but they also waste a bunch of skills in our skill line.

That's why pets were unpopular before nerfs.
sorcs have a shortage of slots but in the same time they are being pushed to this awful pet meta by zos which cause more problems with skill diversity

Urvoth wrote: »

A lot of players don’t realize that non pet sorcs are probably the biggest anti pet proponents. Not only are pets annoying to fight, but they also waste a bunch of skills in our skill line.

That's not a sorc problem, that's a problem with ESO in general. Having to double bar abilities needs to go, especially when it comes to pets.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

A lot of players don’t realize that non pet sorcs are probably the biggest anti pet proponents. Not only are pets annoying to fight, but they also waste a bunch of skills in our skill line.

Those Sorcs you mention do exist, but they are clueless at best or even delusional. They've always hated the pets, sometimes for good reason, and stubbornly believe that if they keep whining that ZOS will eventually cave and replace the pets with other spells. Having observed ZOS since 2014, I can assure you that is NEVER going to happen. I can not envision any scenario where ZOS would devote the necessary resources to overhaul the Sorcerer skill lines to that extent.

No, the only changes ZOS are likely to make are to buff the pets, nerf the pets or merely tweak them. To everyone on this thread who wants to NERF a whole skill line into uselessness, I can only say:

NOPE.

I don’t care if people run pets; I do care, though, that they screw up targeting. Fix the targeting issues, and I wouldn’t care one iota about your zoos. It’s really frustrating to get someone into execute range, and then see my Wrath spam wasted on a pet while the sorc I’m fighting heals back up to full.

Anyron wrote: »

Dark deal/conversion has nice heals, but its with delay and can be interrupted which makes it good only to restore your resources in middle of combat

The thing with Dark Deal/Conversion is that it really shines when used in conjunction with either immovable pots or Streak. They can’t interrupt you if you’re immune or if you’re out of range. One of the primary reasons why I don’t run Twilight Matriarch is Dark Conversion is so good. In open world, I pair it with Curse Eater on my back bar to function as both a purge and as a burst heal. Plus, running Dark Conversion means I don’t have to worry so much about magicka recovery. It is a must have for me, and there just isn’t room for it if I have to dedicate two skill slots to a pet.

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Urvoth wrote: »

A lot of players don’t realize that non pet sorcs are probably the biggest anti pet proponents. Not only are pets annoying to fight, but they also waste a bunch of skills in our skill line.

Those Sorcs you mention do exist, but they are clueless at best or even delusional. They've always hated the pets, sometimes for good reason, and stubbornly believe that if they keep whining that ZOS will eventually cave and replace the pets with other spells. Having observed ZOS since 2014, I can assure you that is NEVER going to happen. I can not envision any scenario where ZOS would devote the necessary resources to overhaul the Sorcerer skill lines to that extent.

No, the only changes ZOS are likely to make are to buff the pets, nerf the pets or merely tweak them. To everyone on this thread who wants to NERF a whole skill line into uselessness, I can only say:

NOPE.

Getting forced to double bar a pet heal has to be one of the most annoying build inflexibilites in the game. Petsorcs are aids to fight and pets are annoying to use. In a lot of ways, pets are a massive crutch and one of the worst combat decisions in the game. Will ZOS rework sorcs? Probably not, but the game overall would be much better off with sorc having different skills.

At the least, things would be better with nerfed pets and the old healing ward.