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Can't get rid of feeling that I'm carried

myskyrim26
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Recently I started doing pledges and random dungeons with my PetSorc, CP 670. I go with my guildmates or random players, and these are always vet dungeons. The bosses are melting, I'm never dying and never get kicked. Yet I can't get rid of feeling that I'm... carried. How do I know I'm not? Installed Combat Metric today, but can't make a head or tail of it. What addon can I use to check how much damage I'm doing in percents? And what percent should a DD do?

UPD: I tired to kill my Skeleton. It took 3 minutes 4 seconds, and result is 16364 DPS. I want to uninstall this game. So much efforts during recent months, and all useless...
Edited by myskyrim26 on June 20, 2019 8:14AM
  • Kalgert
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    As far as I understand it, Combatmetrics is the go-to for this sort of thing. On the left side by default is the damage dealt, and to the right of that number is group damage, and to the right is your percentage.


    Can't say more beyond that as I don't play DPS, solely because I too feel like I am hopeless if I try to do dungeons as one, and I don't want to stress myself out over "Am I doing enough damage?"

    The percentage a DPS should do is... No idea, really. 20, 30% of total group damage?
  • SaintSubwayy
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    Combat metrics will tell you the DMG % you deal

    You can set up overall DMG and ST DMG, so you can compare if you are stronger on the trashfights between bosses, or if you are the one carrying / getting carried ad bossfights.

    maybe ask a friend or guildmate ingame, so they can help you setting up CMX (Combat metrics) so it shows the necessary stats. (Live report window for DMG done)
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  • SaintSubwayy
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    EDS604 wrote: »
    tank usually has like 2% - 3%, healer around 4% - 8%. around 45% you're about equal to the other DD

    thats only correct for strictly playing groups, so healer only heals and debuffs, and tank only tanks and debuff

    thats in the current meta the minority of groups (my expierience, but thats maybe cause Im a progress player and dont care about personal prefrences for dungeons etc.)

    Normally we run dungeons, even DLC dungeons with 1 tank / offtank and 3 DPS. or for non DLC dungeons sometimes even 4 dps.

    then ofc % numbers are way different, and its more representative to compare actualy flat DPS numbers to see how someone is doing.
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  • myskyrim26
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    I tired to kill my Skeleton. It took 3 minutes 4 seconds, and result is 16364 DPS. I want to uninstall this game. So much efforts during recent months, and all useless...
  • Rerum
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    myskyrim26 wrote: »
    I tired to kill my Skeleton. It took 3 minutes 4 seconds, and result is 16364 DPS. I want to uninstall this game. So much efforts during recent months, and all useless...

    Just practice your rotation. Take a look on guides which gear and skills you must use. If you already did - practice LA-weaving and rotation in general.
  • AbysmalGhul
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    @myskyrim26 Just look up some rotations on youtube and you'll be fine. I would help you out, but I don't use pet sorcerers. Sorry man.
  • myskyrim26
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    Thank you all for advices and good words. Yet I don't think I ever can be better than I am now. Skills and passives scrutinized, rotation practiced, gear made golden, CPs adjusted, video tutorials wathced over and over again... No, guys, I'm hopeless. I regret I tried that damn skeleton. Will run the last dungeon for a missing transmute crystal, and that's it.
  • Kalgert
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    myskyrim26 wrote: »
    I tired to kill my Skeleton. It took 3 minutes 4 seconds, and result is 16364 DPS. I want to uninstall this game. So much efforts during recent months, and all useless...

    Don't give up man. Just keep practicing! B)
    How about me? I've been killing skeletons for months, using different skills, attacking and quickly using a skill when I hear the distinct "clank" that the skeleton makes, even switched to a two-hander (As it turns out oddly enough, I do more DPS with a two-hander than I do with dual-wielding), and all I can muster at most is 17 to 18k. My damage only improved by 2k from 15k when I went Stamina from Magicka on my Dragon Knight, and roughly 1k after switching to a two-hander.

    What does that say about me, who has been hitting a skeleton for months and has noticed no significant improvement?

    And no, I refuse to give websites the time of day, considering they're so horribly designed, that I feel actual physical pain trying to read through them.
    Edited by Kalgert on June 20, 2019 8:46AM
  • MLGProPlayer
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    Download Combat Metrics if you're on PC: https://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1360-CombatMetrics.html

    It shows you what percentage of team DPS you are contributing. If you are a DD and you are dealing less than 40% of team DPS, you are being carried.
    Edited by MLGProPlayer on June 20, 2019 8:50AM
  • Unij
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    Dps tests on a dummy don't mean anything. Because you can build for singletarget damage or aoe and dot. You should have both btw, for bossfights vs. trash for example. If you deal more than 10k you are already above average dds.

    Just to compare: My Sorc Tank deals most of the time 20% (10% for a tank should be normal) of group damage with 10k dps max, I focus on crit+aoe to heal myself. My Templar Healer 50% and he has 2 aoe, 2 dot, 1 direct damage skill, and a lot of heavy attacks. Most of the damageskills are there to buff group: shards, wall of elements with shockstaff to grant off-balance, I use the ranged interrupt from destrostaff skills, to help avoid damage. Only rarely when the dds are actually doing a good job I'm at 25% group damage.
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    Combat metrics also has an running dps meter who show damage during an fight for your and group.
    That is the easiest to use. You have an logger who is most relevant to look at rotation, did you trigger LA and did they all hit?
    was up-time for DOTS and buffs high and so on.

    And damage in dungeons is different, some fights are just stack and burn, here you do higher damage as tank debuff target and healer buff group. Some other fights you mostly do mechanics and boss moves around dropping group dps way down.

    Taking up healing or tanking is also an option :)

    Grinding just make you go in circles.
    Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.
  • Trancestor
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    How old are you and what is your average ping?
  • myskyrim26
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    Trancestor wrote: »
    How old are you and what is your average ping?

    I'm 35 - why is it important? Playing since 2016. And I don't know my ping. My Frapps show 60-70 FPS everywhere if it tells about something.

    @zaria
    Tried tanking - I was a good tank, but this is boring. tried healing, and it is way too boring for me...

  • MaxJrFTW
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    I often do 10-15k dps in dungeons as a magplar healer and that's just using shards, purifying light, wall of elements, and weaving light attacks. So yeah, you've been getting carried. Instead of feeling down, look up a guide on youtube or some other site. Considering the low dps, you will see immediate improvement after implementing a proper rotation. Practice will take care of the rest.
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  • duddjoyri
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    myskyrim26 wrote: »
    Trancestor wrote: »
    How old are you and what is your average ping?

    I'm 35 - why is it important? Playing since 2016. And I don't know my ping. My Frapps show 60-70 FPS everywhere if it tells about something.

    @zaria
    Tried tanking - I was a good tank, but this is boring. tried healing, and it is way too boring for me...

    If you found tanking boring in ESO then you were doing it wrong. Maybe you were thinking of WoW?!
  • myskyrim26
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    duddjoyri wrote: »
    myskyrim26 wrote: »
    Trancestor wrote: »
    How old are you and what is your average ping?

    I'm 35 - why is it important? Playing since 2016. And I don't know my ping. My Frapps show 60-70 FPS everywhere if it tells about something.

    @zaria
    Tried tanking - I was a good tank, but this is boring. tried healing, and it is way too boring for me...

    If you found tanking boring in ESO then you were doing it wrong. Maybe you were thinking of WoW?!

    I never played WoW, neither I want to. I hate MMO games. But I have to play ESO because I'm a lore fan.

  • TelvanniWizard
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    I could never get more than 21k with my two dd´s. It´s also true that I didn´t practice a lot (this is a game after all, not my second job). So now I only tank and heal, and have a lot of fun that way.
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  • Kalgert
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    Kalgert wrote: »
    myskyrim26 wrote: »
    I tired to kill my Skeleton. It took 3 minutes 4 seconds, and result is 16364 DPS. I want to uninstall this game. So much efforts during recent months, and all useless...

    Don't give up man. Just keep practicing! B)
    How about me? I've been killing skeletons for months, using different skills, attacking and quickly using a skill when I hear the distinct "clank" that the skeleton makes, even switched to a two-hander (As it turns out oddly enough, I do more DPS with a two-hander than I do with dual-wielding), and all I can muster at most is 17 to 18k. My damage only improved by 2k from 15k when I went Stamina from Magicka on my Dragon Knight, and roughly 1k after switching to a two-hander.

    What does that say about me, who has been hitting a skeleton for months and has noticed no significant improvement?

    And no, I refuse to give websites the time of day, considering they're so horribly designed, that I feel actual physical pain trying to read through them.

    well the refusal to check out builds and parses on websites says something about you.
    namel< that you are to , lets say lazy, to check out other peoples approach tho wthis problem, and the ignoreance to accept help by viewing vids etc.

    you accept help, in your case the tips to keep pratiticing, if they are brought up to you, but you turn down suggestion like checking homepages cause then you would have to read throuh a text and maybe watch a video to understand the reasons behind certain skills or sets used.

    if its really unpleasent to read a guide on certain homepages, then you can still mark the whole text and copy it over into a wrod, and print out, this is not an excuse to ignore the guides online!

    that the fundamental flaw all arround the globe these days, to lazy to do stuff yourself, but other should be the ones investing time and teaching you how something works. this calculations will never add up over the long run, since ppl will get bored giving you tips if you donw follow them.

    sorry if it offends you but thats how I interpret your post.
    Here's how my experience was when I checked Alcast:
    "Okay I wanna be a Stamina DK, here is one... Not a big fan of the black background on white text, but whatever. This is guide feels too wordy, with information scattered all around the place, not interested."
    Then Xynode:
    "Ugh, who's idea was it to leave the Elsweyr logo as a background? Some things I can't even properly read. This is the worst website I've seen yet for game guides!"
    Maybe it was me unlucky or something, but I tried watching a video, the individual commentating sounded about as enthusiastic as a loaf of soggy bread, and talked non-stop about things, when I was thinking "Get to the point already!".

    Ultimately, I feel like guides are useless, as you can do whatever they tell you, but it doesn't guarantee results if you don't get the playstyle or if you hate the playstyle. That and I just don't trust/respect the person writing the guide. Got burned too many times before.

    Also I find it brave that you consider me "Lazy", as it would imply that I am doing absolutely nothing with myself and just sit there staring at the sky, and then going to the forums to yell "My DPS is not improving!". And when I say "Do nothing" I mean literally not do anything. Hitting a skeleton, using different skills and weapons and farming Fighters Guild shows that I am actually doing SOMETHING.

    Or I can just play tank. It may not be as satisfying as a DPS, but it's something I can play and am excelling at, so that is a positive (InB-Four some keyboard warrior comes screeching "This is an admission of defeat! You will never achieve anything in life!" Or some other B.S)
  • SaintSubwayy
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    Kalgert wrote: »
    Kalgert wrote: »
    myskyrim26 wrote: »
    I tired to kill my Skeleton. It took 3 minutes 4 seconds, and result is 16364 DPS. I want to uninstall this game. So much efforts during recent months, and all useless...

    Don't give up man. Just keep practicing! B)
    How about me? I've been killing skeletons for months, using different skills, attacking and quickly using a skill when I hear the distinct "clank" that the skeleton makes, even switched to a two-hander (As it turns out oddly enough, I do more DPS with a two-hander than I do with dual-wielding), and all I can muster at most is 17 to 18k. My damage only improved by 2k from 15k when I went Stamina from Magicka on my Dragon Knight, and roughly 1k after switching to a two-hander.

    What does that say about me, who has been hitting a skeleton for months and has noticed no significant improvement?

    And no, I refuse to give websites the time of day, considering they're so horribly designed, that I feel actual physical pain trying to read through them.

    well the refusal to check out builds and parses on websites says something about you.
    namel< that you are to , lets say lazy, to check out other peoples approach tho wthis problem, and the ignoreance to accept help by viewing vids etc.

    you accept help, in your case the tips to keep pratiticing, if they are brought up to you, but you turn down suggestion like checking homepages cause then you would have to read throuh a text and maybe watch a video to understand the reasons behind certain skills or sets used.

    if its really unpleasent to read a guide on certain homepages, then you can still mark the whole text and copy it over into a wrod, and print out, this is not an excuse to ignore the guides online!

    that the fundamental flaw all arround the globe these days, to lazy to do stuff yourself, but other should be the ones investing time and teaching you how something works. this calculations will never add up over the long run, since ppl will get bored giving you tips if you donw follow them.

    sorry if it offends you but thats how I interpret your post.
    Here's how my experience was when I checked Alcast:
    "Okay I wanna be a Stamina DK, here is one... Not a big fan of the black background on white text, but whatever. This is guide feels too wordy, with information scattered all around the place, not interested."
    Then Xynode:
    "Ugh, who's idea was it to leave the Elsweyr logo as a background? Some things I can't even properly read. This is the worst website I've seen yet for game guides!"
    Maybe it was me unlucky or something, but I tried watching a video, the individual commentating sounded about as enthusiastic as a loaf of soggy bread, and talked non-stop about things, when I was thinking "Get to the point already!".

    Ultimately, I feel like guides are useless, as you can do whatever they tell you, but it doesn't guarantee results if you don't get the playstyle or if you hate the playstyle. That and I just don't trust/respect the person writing the guide. Got burned too many times before.

    Also I find it brave that you consider me "Lazy", as it would imply that I am doing absolutely nothing with myself and just sit there staring at the sky, and then going to the forums to yell "My DPS is not improving!". And when I say "Do nothing" I mean literally not do anything. Hitting a skeleton, using different skills and weapons and farming Fighters Guild shows that I am actually doing SOMETHING.

    Or I can just play tank. It may not be as satisfying as a DPS, but it's something I can play and am excelling at, so that is a positive (InB-Four some keyboard warrior comes screeching "This is an admission of defeat! You will never achieve anything in life!" Or some other B.S)

    well not defending alcast here, im also not a big fan of the black background style
    it may be a bit wordy, but if you read the titels "changes to previous versions" then you already know that you can skip this part, since it odesnt matter as a player new to a class.

    If I chekc a guide on his HP I only care about gear, and skills used + CP allocation, maybe also race, mundus and food
    I skip all the text and rotation stuff since I make my thoughts about those myself, and tbh somethimes if you adjust some builds to your playstlye youll deal quite a bit more DMG since it fits your playstyle better.

    If you're on PC EU I can give you some tips on stamDK, if you'd like some tips about rotation improvement on it.
    Edited by SaintSubwayy on June 20, 2019 9:45AM
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