not everyone farming bosses is a bot, believe it or not. I've been guilty of camping at the boss point in order to get loot

Sorry I have to disagree. You SPAM in CHAT about selling gold.. You get INSTANT BANNED.. I'm tired of reporting those f'rs and would like to see quick and immediate actions by GM's.

Tweek wrote: »

TBH I think gold buyer's should be warned and not banned(like in WoW and every other MMO) with the amount there probably is I would think it would be bad for business to ban them(they obviously have money to spend). Not to mention with the amount of spammers nor everyone knows this isn't allowed.

Actually other MMOs do ban/suspend the seller and the buyer when it comes to RMTs. Coming down hard on them significantly improved the playing experience and economy in EVE for example.

Tweek wrote: »

TBH I think gold buyer's should be warned and not banned(like in WoW and every other MMO) with the amount there probably is I would think it would be bad for business to ban them(they obviously have money to spend).

GW2 actively bans gold buyers. They've said as much and people have (astoundingly) complained about being banned for buying gold.

Tweek wrote: »

Not to mention with the amount of spammers nor everyone knows this isn't allowed.

It's in the user agreement that it's against the rules, people can't use the "I didn't know argument." Also, common sense. Perhaps "thou doth protest too much"?

And yeah I'm mad. Gold buyers ruin the game more than banning them would. You get a small minority ruining the game economy because they inflate all game prices by using real world currency. Banning them would only help stabilize the game economy, keep others from doing it, and make it all around more enjoyable for the majority of players. Customer satisfaction is better for business. Why would people continue to pay $15 a month for a game full of spam where you have to pay more money for in-game currency just to stay competitive?

Ok, for those of you that really hate the gold sellers spam in chat, here's the fix. Ignore Them. Fixed! Simple! Plus you can submit a ticket and hope for the best.

There's an app for that.

Or actually a couple of add-on's I use one and only occasionally have to manually ignore one that gets around the filter.

As for not seeing a difference, I had to delete my whole ignore list yesterday because it was full up. All 500 or what ever upper limit there was for the ignore list of the people were not there to try to spam me again when I did a mass unignore. Only a few new ones.

AtomZer0 wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

TBH I think gold buyer's should be warned and not banned(like in WoW and every other MMO) with the amount there probably is I would think it would be bad for business to ban them(they obviously have money to spend).

GW2 actively bans gold buyers. They've said as much and people have (astoundingly) complained about being banned for buying gold.

Tweek wrote: »

Not to mention with the amount of spammers nor everyone knows this isn't allowed.

It's in the user agreement that it's against the rules, people can't use the "I didn't know argument." Also, common sense. Perhaps "thou doth protest too much"?

And yeah I'm mad. Gold buyers ruin the game more than banning them would. You get a small minority ruining the game economy because they inflate all game prices by using real world currency. Banning them would only help stabilize the game economy, keep others from doing it, and make it all around more enjoyable for the majority of players. Customer satisfaction is better for business. Why would people continue to pay $15 a month for a game full of spam where you have to pay more money for in-game currency just to stay competitive?

You clearly must not play guild wars.

They ban gold buyers because they have an in game store where you buy gems and then trade them for gold. They want the money going to them not the gold sellers. Also I have bought gold in guild wars and was not banned for it even though they knew I did it. I told them myself, but because I spend so much in the store they let me off the hook. You see what I mean?

Banning gold buyers altogether=no game,
Letting gold buyers roam free=unfair game

The middle ground is warning and suspensions(24-72 Hours) where they're still supporting the server. Banning customers with money is bad business.

Posted this in another thread I believe it is also relevant here-

"lol if you banned all the gold buyers...then who is going to buy all the items they release in their game store...certainly not the butthurt 12-16 year old's with no job using mommy or daddys credit card to pay for the game that cannot afford to buy gold so they rage. They cannot ban all the gold buyers as that would cost them...so instead they ban the sellers. Buying in game currency along with any other RMT is always against the TOS but no one is ever banned for it. At least I have never seen it in my fourteen years of playing MMOs...."

AtomZer0 wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

TBH I think gold buyer's should be warned and not banned(like in WoW and every other MMO) with the amount there probably is I would think it would be bad for business to ban them(they obviously have money to spend).

GW2 actively bans gold buyers. They've said as much and people have (astoundingly) complained about being banned for buying gold.

Tweek wrote: »

Not to mention with the amount of spammers nor everyone knows this isn't allowed.

It's in the user agreement that it's against the rules, people can't use the "I didn't know argument." Also, common sense. Perhaps "thou doth protest too much"?

And yeah I'm mad. Gold buyers ruin the game more than banning them would. You get a small minority ruining the game economy because they inflate all game prices by using real world currency. Banning them would only help stabilize the game economy, keep others from doing it, and make it all around more enjoyable for the majority of players. Customer satisfaction is better for business. Why would people continue to pay $15 a month for a game full of spam where you have to pay more money for in-game currency just to stay competitive?

Gold spammers are and will be banned, and you don't need to buy gold to stay competitive as most of the people who buy gold have jobs and they buy it to stay competitive with those who don't have jobs....hence the butthurt 12-16 years olds reference in my other post.

This game definitely needs a Final Solution to the gold spammer problem.

Well lets see, wouldn't all these trading guilds inflate the economy also? They all farm, they all sell. Maybe get rid of those too. To be honest, if you find a trading Guild, JOIN ONE! It keeps items cheap and gold sellers pretty much in check. Keeps the economy stable and under inflated. Its a MMO, everyone of them have Spammers, Farmers, and Buyers. Deal with it, like most of us do.

Osses wrote: »

Well lets see, wouldn't all these trading guilds inflate the economy also? They all farm, they all sell. Maybe get rid of those too. To be honest, if you find a trading Guild, JOIN ONE! It keeps items cheap and gold sellers pretty much in check. Keeps the economy stable and under inflated. Its a MMO, everyone of them have Spammers, Farmers, and Buyers. Deal with it, like most of us do.

Glad to see someone other than me understand MMOs, economies, and the mature way to handle them.

Nohvin wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

Posted this in another thread I believe it is also relevant here-

"lol if you banned all the gold buyers...then who is going to buy all the items they release in their game store...certainly not the butthurt 12-16 year old's with no job using mommy or daddys credit card to pay for the game that cannot afford to buy gold so they rage. They cannot ban all the gold buyers as that would cost them...so instead they ban the sellers. Buying in game currency along with any other RMT is always against the TOS but no one is ever banned for it. At least I have never seen it in my fourteen years of playing MMOs...."

I got a temporary ban in WoW for buying gold.

(I was just a stupid kid at the time)

The same has happened to me, sometimes they suspend you but never perma-ban gold buyers unless they have a shop for you and you instead chose gold buyers over their shop like in Guild Wars 2.

Tweek wrote: »

Also this quote from you this proves my point entirely -

AtomZer0 wrote: »

I honestly don't see the point of the Palomino Horse. It is $15 and you can't use it till level 10 and it has the same stats as the common horse.
For $5 more ($20 total) you can upgrade to the Imperial Edition (assuming you don't have it) and you get the imperial white horse, which you can get at any level, and is the same stats as Palomino/Common, PLUS you get all the imperial edition bonuses.

Honestly, I can't believe they're charging $15 for it. It's Oblivion horse armor all over again in my opinion.

I hope zenimax makes an in game shop so you can buy all the in game things you want. Then people like you will insta-rage quit lol.

Yes, let's take things out of context. You forgot the other comment I made too:

AtomZer0 wrote: »

I agree, if it's worth it to you, and you have the money, fine, I'm not judging anyone that buys it. I'm judging the price they set it at. It's $5 dollars less than the Imperial Edition Upgrade and the Imperial Edition upgrade comes with a horse that is also 1g for all characters, but you also get a new race, a unique crafting style, mudcrab pet, and rings of mara. I just don't see how they could justify a $15 price point.

It's a legit criticism of their pricing point based on what you get for your money. I guess in your world view consumers shouldn't judge or criticize what's offered and just accept it.
Hey, if you want a pay2win shop, then tell ZOS that in your own thread and see how that plays out with the majority of their customers. I'm more than fine with in-game stores, if it's like what GW2 has, where all real money items are either cosmetic or time saving, but nothing that gives you a true advantage over other players. It still wouldn't mean that customers couldn't criticize the prices of said items, as you seem to think. This thread is being derailed though.

in response to the OP:
if ZOS say they are banning accounts for gold spam, botting, hacks and RMT advertising then we have to take them at their word that they are; there is little chance any dev will publish a list of banned accounts (though Blizzard did so on a couple of occasions in order to shame players via their social circle).
I haven't seen any evidence of ESO's economy being ruined by RMT gold, mostly I suspect that being a New game, pricing indexes will reflect the lack of rare items in circulation.

inline with the thread title:
I have however seen speed hack farmer bots on every single map i've played on. And i suspect that they have both handlers on separate accounts, and cohorts selling off the materials farmed from a safe account.

I have also been invited to a gold seller/power leveler sites Guild...Twice!!...
What a neat idea for gold sellers!
They get to camoflage their guild by inviting brand new players with no idea of what is going on. They get a guild bank and guild store to launder items off their farm bot accounts, AND they can move gold and items off to Gold Buyers thru a legitimate process, via both Guild Store and Guild Bank!!
NEATO!!

The only real way to stop a gold seller franchise within a game, is to dry up its business, in aid of this end killing off accounts associated with RMT gold vendor activities bites into profit margins, but only for this title... RMT operations can offset losses on one title with profits on another.

We as the playerbase, cannot account for every players actions, what peer pressure we can bring to bear in this direction we should, with the knowledge that it will drive RMT gold buying underground and not totally obliterate it.

So once again it is down to the games publisher to find solutions to their RMT problems. If a company decides to take action against the gold seller organisations they will not publish details because that would weaken their efforts!

TL:DR, I'm afraid you'll have to trust ZOS to find ways to combat this problem, for your part, never belittle someone that has bought gold and admitted to it... smile at them and tell them "thats really cool! Which site?"... then report what info you have and your suspicions to ZOS.