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Zos will never accept OPs suggestion as the premise they based the trading system on would be lost. If you paid attention and listened to what Zos said were their reasons for the guild based trading it would be clear.

So no, a central kiosk will not happen in this game and OP's idea is not going to hold water.

Current system is broken in a game where it limits the ability to trade to a small percent of the player base.

Considering Zos can see the volume of trades and breadth of the economy in game a statement like this does not hold water and does not really say anything either. Not that it matters. This is the system Zos wanted, as I already stated, and they seem to be pleased with it. So it will take something real for them to not only change their mind but spend the large sum of money to design a new game system. That is the reality of things.

they wanted a system, that encourages players to whine when addons don't work? a system that encourages back stabbing, spying, stealing from other guilds and screwing over thousands of people every week? Yup seems like it since the group finder is working fine for me I have no lag at any time that people seem to cry about? How about the Ghost guilds that seems to be a normal thing and accepted by ZOS or when a whole town gets taken the forums seem to throw a fit over how the person is a terrible person for doing that and screwed so many people over? Plenty of things in this game that ZOS "wanted" does not make them a system that is Right or works well.

Thanks for the laugh though. However, you have said nothing of value to get Zos to change their mind. Seems more like grasping at straws.

You have mentioned a good point that Zos does need to fix, besides the guild history. But just because there is a loophole does not mean the whole system needs to be replaced. If that was the case most games would have tossed the GAH long ago.

And if the guild trader system was so much better more games would let the players control the market

You seem to have that backwards as it is widely known a central system is so much easier to exploit. But good try. Cheerio

So by making guild traders ran by players who can kick someone because they didn't sell enough or they didn't like that they don't agree with them they are not controlling the market got it? happens all the time but you know Players are not controlling the market, they are not map hopping buying everything and re selling it for more and they are not able to do what they can with a global auction house.

Now you are just putting words into my mouth that I did not say. That is basically the premise of the post I just quote and is not worthy of a response, yet a wasted my time with it.

To once again foil your weak point you are attempting to make. There are trading guilds for all levels of trading players. If you are going for a top guild then yea, you need to be able to sell of expect to be kicked.

The same thing goes for raiding guilds where if you cannot play to their standards and do not improve many will kick you as well.

It is called good guild management where everyone pulls their weight. It sounds like you did not find the right guild for you. Keep trying.

Cheerio

Clearly you did not read I never "put words in your mouth" nor did I claim to have any issues finding a guild, as I have said I got more gold then I need and would still prefer a global auction house to the very poor system in place.

They way you worded the first question, putting "got it" at the end is a syntax attempting to indicate that is what I had said.

Some day someone might come up with a worthy reason for Zos to change their mind. Until then we get to enjoy a system superior to a GAH by many measurements.

Cheerio

I'm still not seeing the basis for your statement.

The reason people go to look at an AH or Trader is because they want to purchase Something. That's the bottom line.

The manipulation of prices is completely irrelevant. Both systems can and will be manipulated.

People just want to be able to buy their item. And if they are like me, they might grumble a bit, but they will over-pay IF they can get their item

With the Global AH you have the guarantee that IF someone is selling the item you are looking for, you WILL be able to find it, and then can decide if you want to pay that price. If no one has that item currently for sale, you will know immediately and will continue on playing. Takes just a couple minutes of your time.

With the Trader system we have, the item may be available for purchase, yet the Player has No access to it.
Reason one - The Player does not know which Trader to go to in order to find one that has the item. So now they have to go physically to all the Traders that they know about, hoping to find their item. But when none of the one they Know about has it, it is just a big waste of time.

Reason two - The Trader may have lost out on their bid this week and now the item IS on sale but Only to members of that guild.

People want to sell items. They should be allowed full access to all the players in the game that want to buy. They should Not be restricted to just the characters who physically show up at a specific location. With the current system, the restriction is the case .

People want to purchase items. They should be able to find their item easily IF it is on sale, and purchase it. With the current system, that is Not the case.

I just do not see where this Trader system is "superior" to the Global AH in any way.

Here's the thing though. In the current system, if you put in just a little bit of effort and are looking for 1 specific item, you may find it in an out of the way trader for a steal of a price. In an AH, that item (if it has any value) will be expensive. So great, you may be able to find it right away but you probably won't be able to afford to buy it.

It takes under 2 hours to search every trader in the game. If you are looking for something specific, that is nothing compared to the time it would take to farm the item. Traders are easily accessible to every player in the game. Not owning the DLC or being too lazy to go to out of the way locations is user error and not a problem with the trade system.

I'll take the current system that requires a little effort but rewards that effort with better deals. And I play on console, with zero external help with the trade system. If I want an item I search every trader until I get it at a price I want to pay. And often, that price is much lower than the market value of the item. An AH system would ensure that you would almost never find "deals" and will always be paying top end prices for items. It would ruin the ingame economy.

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Every MMO has a global auction house and it works just fine.