Wildly misquoted, cut up quotes with different intents. This is almost the same as cutting out letters I typed to create a new sentence and claiming I said the sentence.
At least keep the whole quote along with the intent. This first quote, while in an auction house thread, had nothing to say about the auction house issue. It was specific to how a poster wrote a logical fallacy.
Wildly misquoted, cut up quotes with different intents. This is almost the same as cutting out letters I typed to create a new sentence and claiming I said the sentence.
At least keep the whole quote along with the intent. This first quote, while in an auction house thread, had nothing to say about the auction house issue. It was specific to how a poster wrote a logical fallacy.
Well, you're ALSO the person who suggests to ban people who request global auction house. I don't suppose your intent needs any more clarification, does it ?
Jayman1000 wrote: »How do you know 12% would be enough? According to my calculations we would need at least 20% tax rate to make up for the lost gold sink from trader bids.
luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
Zos will never accept OPs suggestion as the premise they based the trading system on would be lost. If you paid attention and listened to what Zos said were their reasons for the guild based trading it would be clear.
So no, a central kiosk will not happen in this game and OP's idea is not going to hold water.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
Common items would be cheaper yes but stuff like Tempering Alloy, Perfect Roe, Rosin etc would probably skyrocket.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
No, I am saying in ESOs competitive market an AH would make it much more likely to employ market manipulation allowing real monopolies to occur.
What I predicted is the outcome of such unchecked monopolies.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
He is right though. If you wanted to corner the market on an item now you have to go through a lot of effort and you will only be able to do it for a very limited amount of time. If an AH existed, and I wanted to corner the market on Spinners Jewelry, I could buy every single piece of purple jewelry, as it was listed, relist is at a huge markup. Right now, purple spinners on XBOX NA goes for 30-40K. A single player with an AH could corner the market and sell them for 60k+ and players would have no other options but to buy them at that price because that same player could make sure that very few that get listed lower are in the market long enough for others to purchase.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
He is right though. If you wanted to corner the market on an item now you have to go through a lot of effort and you will only be able to do it for a very limited amount of time. If an AH existed, and I wanted to corner the market on Spinners Jewelry, I could buy every single piece of purple jewelry, as it was listed, relist is at a huge markup. Right now, purple spinners on XBOX NA goes for 30-40K. A single player with an AH could corner the market and sell them for 60k+ and players would have no other options but to buy them at that price because that same player could make sure that very few that get listed lower are in the market long enough for others to purchase.
True but im guessing people here can't read as I said just do both >.> still give the whiny guilds their trader and give the people who don't want to deal with the guild trader *** a way to sale with out spamming chat.
ALSO there is always another option called FARM IT YOURSELF, not like spinners is rare and not like people can just choose not to buy a up price. If prices go up so? more people would make more gold and more gold would go to the gold sink.
As it is right now, not having an auction house is very healthy for trading. Locations are where you see price differentiation. And traders keep each other in check. If Guild Store 1 is charging 1000 for an item, Guild Store 2 in the same location either has to charge the same or less in order to sell the item. And in Guild Store 3, in another location, that same item could be listed for less (or more) depending on the traffic of the store. But the market normalizes the prices in a way that prevents them from getting out of control. A player can see a Spinners ring listed for 50K in one trader and move to the next and see one listed at 30K. Then in the next trader they find one for 40, and 30, and 30. They can make an informed decision. That since the majority of items are in the 30-40K range, the 50K item is overpriced. And then the player who listed it too high will not sell the item, and that player will have to adjust his pricing to match the market in order to sell.
None of that could happen in an AH. At all. Because player Y would just buy everything and anything that is priced below what he intends price his items for. And then you only have the option to buy that 50K ring. And then as that normalizes, players will see that 50K is the new price for the jewelry and new listings will adjust to that. And then, player Y will buy everything at 50K and relist it at 60 or 70K and corner the market again, eventually driving the price up to an unreasonable amount.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
He is right though. If you wanted to corner the market on an item now you have to go through a lot of effort and you will only be able to do it for a very limited amount of time. If an AH existed, and I wanted to corner the market on Spinners Jewelry, I could buy every single piece of purple jewelry, as it was listed, relist is at a huge markup. Right now, purple spinners on XBOX NA goes for 30-40K. A single player with an AH could corner the market and sell them for 60k+ and players would have no other options but to buy them at that price because that same player could make sure that very few that get listed lower are in the market long enough for others to purchase.
True but im guessing people here can't read as I said just do both >.> still give the whiny guilds their trader and give the people who don't want to deal with the guild trader *** a way to sale with out spamming chat.
ALSO there is always another option called FARM IT YOURSELF, not like spinners is rare and not like people can just choose not to buy a up price. If prices go up so? more people would make more gold and more gold would go to the gold sink.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
He is right though. If you wanted to corner the market on an item now you have to go through a lot of effort and you will only be able to do it for a very limited amount of time. If an AH existed, and I wanted to corner the market on Spinners Jewelry, I could buy every single piece of purple jewelry, as it was listed, relist is at a huge markup. Right now, purple spinners on XBOX NA goes for 30-40K. A single player with an AH could corner the market and sell them for 60k+ and players would have no other options but to buy them at that price because that same player could make sure that very few that get listed lower are in the market long enough for others to purchase.
True but im guessing people here can't read as I said just do both >.> still give the whiny guilds their trader and give the people who don't want to deal with the guild trader *** a way to sale with out spamming chat.
ALSO there is always another option called FARM IT YOURSELF, not like spinners is rare and not like people can just choose not to buy a up price. If prices go up so? more people would make more gold and more gold would go to the gold sink.
Spinners is just an example. You can also just farm anything yourself. That really isn't the point though.
And doing both would make it worse actually. Players would list on the AH and rather than relisting those items in the AH, players would just relist them in their guild stores. Either way, they would still corner the market on items, only it would be much easier.
AH is a terrible idea and would only ruin the marketplace of this game. And why? Because some players don't want to join a trade guild?
Someone earlier in this thread posted that there are limited numbers of guild spots and that not all players can participate. I am in trade guilds that are only at like 300 members and they still get a spot every single week. So our current system isn't even at max capacity yet.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
He is right though. If you wanted to corner the market on an item now you have to go through a lot of effort and you will only be able to do it for a very limited amount of time. If an AH existed, and I wanted to corner the market on Spinners Jewelry, I could buy every single piece of purple jewelry, as it was listed, relist is at a huge markup. Right now, purple spinners on XBOX NA goes for 30-40K. A single player with an AH could corner the market and sell them for 60k+ and players would have no other options but to buy them at that price because that same player could make sure that very few that get listed lower are in the market long enough for others to purchase.
True but im guessing people here can't read as I said just do both >.> still give the whiny guilds their trader and give the people who don't want to deal with the guild trader *** a way to sale with out spamming chat.
ALSO there is always another option called FARM IT YOURSELF, not like spinners is rare and not like people can just choose not to buy a up price. If prices go up so? more people would make more gold and more gold would go to the gold sink.
Also, that isn't how it really works. More people wouldn't really be making more gold. What would instead happen is the value of gold would decrease. If items cost 1K now and are adjusted up to 2K, you are making 1K more gold, but, your baseline is increasing across the board. So what used to cost 1K now costs 2K. You are in the same position you were in before, just with larger numbers.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »Zos will never accept OPs suggestion as the premise they based the trading system on would be lost. If you paid attention and listened to what Zos said were their reasons for the guild based trading it would be clear.
So no, a central kiosk will not happen in this game and OP's idea is not going to hold water.
Current system is broken in a game where it limits the ability to trade to a small percent of the player base.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
He is right though. If you wanted to corner the market on an item now you have to go through a lot of effort and you will only be able to do it for a very limited amount of time. If an AH existed, and I wanted to corner the market on Spinners Jewelry, I could buy every single piece of purple jewelry, as it was listed, relist is at a huge markup. Right now, purple spinners on XBOX NA goes for 30-40K. A single player with an AH could corner the market and sell them for 60k+ and players would have no other options but to buy them at that price because that same player could make sure that very few that get listed lower are in the market long enough for others to purchase.
True but im guessing people here can't read as I said just do both >.> still give the whiny guilds their trader and give the people who don't want to deal with the guild trader *** a way to sale with out spamming chat.
ALSO there is always another option called FARM IT YOURSELF, not like spinners is rare and not like people can just choose not to buy a up price. If prices go up so? more people would make more gold and more gold would go to the gold sink.
Also, that isn't how it really works. More people wouldn't really be making more gold. What would instead happen is the value of gold would decrease. If items cost 1K now and are adjusted up to 2K, you are making 1K more gold, but, your baseline is increasing across the board. So what used to cost 1K now costs 2K. You are in the same position you were in before, just with larger numbers.
And if you are making Zero gold and now are making 100+k gold then more players are making more gold.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »Zos will never accept OPs suggestion as the premise they based the trading system on would be lost. If you paid attention and listened to what Zos said were their reasons for the guild based trading it would be clear.
So no, a central kiosk will not happen in this game and OP's idea is not going to hold water.
Current system is broken in a game where it limits the ability to trade to a small percent of the player base.
Considering Zos can see the volume of trades and breadth of the economy in game a statement like this does not hold water and does not really say anything either. Not that it matters. This is the system Zos wanted, as I already stated, and they seem to be pleased with it. So it will take something real for them to not only change their mind but spend the large sum of money to design a new game system. That is the reality of things.
BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »BrianLovesLisa wrote: »luen79rwb17_ESO wrote: »Global AH would be the worst thing to happen to ESO economy
Yeah nothing like lowering the price of items, giving more people the ability to sell to really RUIN the economy
It will not lower prices like you think. The reasonably priced items now would end up less than vendor trash resulting in the average trader not being able to sell accessable items in the market as they will be worth less than selling to a vendor.
Anything of real value will raise in price significantly due to an easier ability to monopolize the market. Anything actually rare will be priced way beyond what any but a few could ever afford or require months of gold farming to purchase by the average player.
Oh so you are saying the only fun way to trade is by limiting the amount of players who can trade so all items are stuck where they are.
He is right though. If you wanted to corner the market on an item now you have to go through a lot of effort and you will only be able to do it for a very limited amount of time. If an AH existed, and I wanted to corner the market on Spinners Jewelry, I could buy every single piece of purple jewelry, as it was listed, relist is at a huge markup. Right now, purple spinners on XBOX NA goes for 30-40K. A single player with an AH could corner the market and sell them for 60k+ and players would have no other options but to buy them at that price because that same player could make sure that very few that get listed lower are in the market long enough for others to purchase.
True but im guessing people here can't read as I said just do both >.> still give the whiny guilds their trader and give the people who don't want to deal with the guild trader *** a way to sale with out spamming chat.
ALSO there is always another option called FARM IT YOURSELF, not like spinners is rare and not like people can just choose not to buy a up price. If prices go up so? more people would make more gold and more gold would go to the gold sink.
Also, that isn't how it really works. More people wouldn't really be making more gold. What would instead happen is the value of gold would decrease. If items cost 1K now and are adjusted up to 2K, you are making 1K more gold, but, your baseline is increasing across the board. So what used to cost 1K now costs 2K. You are in the same position you were in before, just with larger numbers.
And if you are making Zero gold and now are making 100+k gold then more players are making more gold.