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I am a bit confused with Cat evolution in Elsyweyr
mann9753b16_ESO
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I mean... we have the Khajiit, thats a given, we all know that.
But then we have these big talking cats, which are obviously intelligent and parts of the Khajiit society, but at the same time the same type of cat is used as a monut, lacking the Intelligence of the speaking ones.
We have talking cats who can run a business or manage a bank, but at the same time we have basic Housecats who appear to be the same subspecies, no different than house cats in ur world, owned by the Khajiit.
On top of that, Eslyweyr is still full of savage wild cats, that are not more than beasts...
I mean, what is going on here? Isnt it kinda weird when a Khajiit owns a house cat as a pet, when the exact same species literally runs the local Bank?
Edited by mann9753b16_ESO on June 16, 2019 7:07AM But then we have these big talking cats, which are obviously intelligent and parts of the Khajiit society, but at the same time the same type of cat is used as a monut, lacking the Intelligence of the speaking ones.
We have talking cats who can run a business or manage a bank, but at the same time we have basic Housecats who appear to be the same subspecies, no different than house cats in ur world, owned by the Khajiit.
On top of that, Eslyweyr is still full of savage wild cats, that are not more than beasts...
I mean, what is going on here? Isnt it kinda weird when a Khajiit owns a house cat as a pet, when the exact same species literally runs the local Bank?
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✭The Khajiiti creation myth suggests the Bosmer and Khajiit to have common ancestors; Azurah having taken the forest people that were torn between the shape of beast and man and given them the many shapes of the Khajiit. But with Y'ffre telling Nirni of Azurah's doings and shaping the remaining forest people into the Bosmer, this link was cut.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit
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Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.14 -
Spacegato✭✭✭“All Khajiit are born looking roughly similar, but as they get older, they’ll grow into different forms, depending on when they were born. You can have a brother and sister that are very different physiologically. For example, one could be a Senche-raht, and one could be an Alfiq. It’s a very strange family unit as far as outsiders are concerned, but to the Khajiit, it’s very normal.”
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/56101
Housecats are not the same as khajiit so it is perfectly fine to keep them as pets.
Same goes for all the wild cats they are not khajiit they are completely different spieces. And a little side note, Senche-raht are not just mounts they hate that, they work together with their partner.10 -
Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.4 -
phaneub17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So the body type a Khaijjit takes is dependent on the moon phase when they're born. Genetics plays no role in how they come out either, a Cathay-raht was we normally play can give birth to an Alfiq-raht or a Senche-raht if the sign of the moons align.
Here's a little explanation: https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit go down to furstock.3 -
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✭✭The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
Why doesn't my senche-raht talk to me?
The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.3 -
Raisin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
Why doesn't my senche-raht talk to me?
Guess you offended them. :P9 -
mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?6 -
Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
At least all the wierdo adventures pouring into elsewhyr lately think I'm really cute?
But id rather have thumbs...2 -
ApostateHobo✭✭✭✭✭
✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Alfiq might be small and look like a regular cat, but they usually have very strong magic capabilities.10 -
Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭ApostateHobo wrote: »mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Alfiq might be small and look like a regular cat, but they usually have very strong magic capabilities.
And will never have the experience of having thumbs.Edited by Zacuel on June 16, 2019 9:55AM5 -
Mixith✭✭✭ApostateHobo wrote: »mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Alfiq might be small and look like a regular cat, but they usually have very strong magic capabilities.
And will never have the experience of having thumbs.
Maybe they can use magic thumbs!2 -
Zacuel✭✭✭✭✭
✭ApostateHobo wrote: »mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Alfiq might be small and look like a regular cat, but they usually have very strong magic capabilities.
And will never have the experience of having thumbs.
Maybe they can use magic thumbs!
It's just not the same! >,..,<!0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭There is no Evolution as we know it in Tamriel. As much as many would not like to accept it, Creationism is a thing in the Elder Scrolls, and the Khajiit were created by the Daedric Prince Azurah.CP2,000 Master Explorer - AvA One Star General - Console Peasant - Khajiiti Aficionado - The Clan
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mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ApostateHobo wrote: »mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Alfiq might be small and look like a regular cat, but they usually have very strong magic capabilities.
Yeah, but... The Khajiit that turn out humanoid can do strong magic too…
Honestly, I would be so pissed if I was one of the Kitten Khajiits, they clearly drew the short straw…
Well... at least they can move to a human city, look for some rich single woman and live like royalty for the rest of their lifes… Honestly, I wonder if thats already the case… imagine in some rich old woman house, you find out one of the cats is actually Khajiit and shes like "Just keep quiet about this, I have a great gig going on here, I get all the food I want, all the toys, and I can literally sleep all day."Edited by mann9753b16_ESO on June 17, 2019 7:28AM12 -
albesca✭✭✭✭✭Why doesn't my senche-raht talk to me?
I think it's for the best, given that my tipical journeys involve lot of detours to pick up flowers, mine ore, cut down trees, open chests, pick more flowers: a trip from, say, Vulkhel Guard to Skywatch takes no less than half an hour; if my mount could talk I bet he would swear like a sailor all of the timePC EU
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mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Why doesn't my senche-raht talk to me?
I think it's for the best, given that my tipical journeys involve lot of detours to pick up flowers, mine ore, cut down trees, open chests, pick more flowers: a trip from, say, Vulkhel Guard to Skywatch takes no less than half an hour; if my mount could talk I bet he would swear like a sailor all of the time
Or he literally tells you about everything. "Look a flower, go pick it!" "HEy, a Chest, lets see if you can unlock it!" "Theres these weird rocks you collect..."4 -
Kiyakotari✭✭✭✭✭Google "Lunar Lattice." Also, "Khajiit Furstocks." Seriously, Google is your friend and those are the terms you need to use.
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Custos91✭✭✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Are you kidding me?
I would instantly trade all my current Khajit for Alfiq chars, even if that would mean lositn acces to weapon skill lines as we know them!
I know it won't happen, but I am at least hoping for an Alfiq polimorph / collectible that just morphs you back once you are in combat.Warden Main apparently... 7 Wardens currently, otherwise a healer of every class.
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LennoxPoodle✭✭✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »ApostateHobo wrote: »mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Alfiq might be small and look like a regular cat, but they usually have very strong magic capabilities.
Yeah, but... The Khajiit that turn out humanoid can do strong magic too…
Honestly, I would be so pissed if I was one of the Kitten Khajiits, they clearly drew the short straw…
Well... at least they can move to a human city, look for some rich single woman and live like royalty for the rest of their lifes… Honestly, I wonder if thats already the case… imagine in some rich old woman house, you find out one of the cats is actually Khajiit and shes like "Just keep quiet about this, I have a great gig going on here, I get all the food I want, all the toys, and I can literally sleep all day."
Yet again the Alfiq are the MOST powerful of all the furstocks regarding magic. They're probably more in line with Aldmer and Bretons regarding that. They are followed by the small bipedal ones (toquay?).
Isn't there also lore on Senche eating/hunting alfiq?0 -
mann9753b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭LennoxPoodle wrote: »mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »ApostateHobo wrote: »mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »The 'big talking cats' are senche-raht and they are as much khajit as any other and just as sentient even when being ridden.
The 'talking cats' are alfiq, also just as much khajit and just as sentient and absolutely not housecats.
They are completely different from feral cats -- all of them are khajit. They just look different because of the moon phase they were born in.
I pity all khajit born under a moon cycle that prevents them from having thumbs.
Well, at least these senche-raht are big and musculare... Other than those house cat like ones...
Can you imagine coming from a race that created humanoid Cat-People, super buffed giant cats, and you are unlucky enough to be born as a freaking kitten?
Alfiq might be small and look like a regular cat, but they usually have very strong magic capabilities.
Yeah, but... The Khajiit that turn out humanoid can do strong magic too…
Honestly, I would be so pissed if I was one of the Kitten Khajiits, they clearly drew the short straw…
Well... at least they can move to a human city, look for some rich single woman and live like royalty for the rest of their lifes… Honestly, I wonder if thats already the case… imagine in some rich old woman house, you find out one of the cats is actually Khajiit and shes like "Just keep quiet about this, I have a great gig going on here, I get all the food I want, all the toys, and I can literally sleep all day."
Yet again the Alfiq are the MOST powerful of all the furstocks regarding magic. They're probably more in line with Aldmer and Bretons regarding that. They are followed by the small bipedal ones (toquay?).
Isn't there also lore on Senche eating/hunting alfiq?
That might be true, but I cant kick an Aldmer away like a football xD1 -
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✭I like think of Khajiti race as 'true' Mutants. Similar in spirit to Marvel's The X-Men. Their bodies may look strange, and they may speak a little differently, but they're still Khajiit.
I enjoy how wildly different their race looks, and I also really enjoy the lore behind it all.0 -
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✭✭But Nirni soon forgave Lorkhaj for Nirni could make children. And she filled herself with children, but cried because her favorite children, the forest people, did not know their shape.
And Azurah came to her and said, "Poor Nirni, stop your tears. Azurah makes for you a gift of a new people." Nirni stopped weeping, and Azurah spoke the First Secret to the Moons and they parted and let Azurah pass. And Azurah took some forest people who were torn between man and beast, and she placed them in the best deserts and forests on Nirni. And Azurah in her wisdom made them of many shapes, one for every purpose. And Azurah named them Khajiit and told them her Second Secret and taught them the value of secrets. And Azurah bound the new Khajiit to the Lunar Lattice, as is proper for Nirni's secret defenders. Then Azurah spoke the Third Secret, and the Moons shone down on the marshes and their light became sugar.
But Y'ffer heard the First Secret and snuck in behind Azurah. And Y'ffer could not appreciate secrets, and he told Nirni of Azurah's trick. So Nirni made the deserts hot and the sands biting. And Nirni made the forests wet and filled with poisons. And Nirni thanked Y'ffer and let him change the forest people also. And Y'ffer did not have Azurah's subtle wisdom, so Y'ffer made the forest people Elves always and never beasts. And Y'ffer named them Bosmer. And from that moment they were no longer in the same litter as the Khajiit.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Words_of_Clan_Mother_Ahnissi
Taking stealth away from the Bosmer is like taking magic away from the Altmer, making Nords allergic to mead, or making Orcs pretty.3 -
It's still...just weird.
And here is the thing: This feels so "stuck on", even though I understand it is mentioned in the lore, it was clearly not thought-out.
The Khajiit would have -THE- best spy network of all time! During the three-banners war, there could be Alfiq placed all over Tamriel, sending reports to Razum-darj. The war would have been over in months!
Or, we could have seen a horrible backlash against normal cats, as everyone fears that they are secretly Alfiq in disguise...
To me, the Khajiit were already super cool - we did not need to do this to them. Kudos for paying attention to Lore, but ...sometimes strange lore should be just...pushed aside. (Need I say midichlorians, anyone?)1
