DPS queuing as tank/healer

Gaggin · June 2019

I've been in dungeons with dps who can't dps. What do people who suck at all 3 roles queue as? Or does OP expect them to not do dungeons at all?

Quit complaining about getting bad people in queues, it is random after all. Find 3 friends, use zone chat, etc

Glurin · June 2019

Gaggin wrote: »

I've been in dungeons with dps who can't dps. What do people who suck at all 3 roles queue as? Or does OP expect them to not do dungeons at all?

Quit complaining about getting bad people in queues, it is random after all. Find 3 friends, use zone chat, etc

Sucking at your role is one thing. Deliberately queuing for a role that you have no intention of fulfilling just so you get put in a group faster is quite another.

ZonasArch · June 2019

daemonios wrote: »

CambionDaemon wrote: »

You know what, I completely forgot about inner fire, the tanks that I am running with at the moment are all using Ice Staff.

I feel foolish!

Are they taunting with ice staff? That has to be the most awkward, unreliable taunt in the game. Other than that, ice staff does have more block mitigation than other staves, but I'm using lightning staff back bar on my tanks for the debugs, and try to always block on my s/b bar.

Ice staff taunting means heavies going out, meaning you also get a small damage shield for free. That with the CP free shield from blocking, you have yourself a basically free 4k or so damage shield with about 100% uptime on your tank. That's not too bad considering it's free.

As for being unreliable, it'll depend on situation. All taunts gave their moment, and from class to class, or can be more or less useful too.

And ice staff tanking is quite fun of you're not going vetdlc stuff.

zvavi · June 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

CambionDaemon wrote: »

You know what, I completely forgot about inner fire, the tanks that I am running with at the moment are all using Ice Staff.

I feel foolish!

Are they taunting with ice staff? That has to be the most awkward, unreliable taunt in the game. Other than that, ice staff does have more block mitigation than other staves, but I'm using lightning staff back bar on my tanks for the debugs, and try to always block on my s/b bar.

Ice staff taunting means heavies going out, meaning you also get a small damage shield for free. That with the CP free shield from blocking, you have yourself a basically free 4k or so damage shield with about 100% uptime on your tank. That's not too bad considering it's free.

As for being unreliable, it'll depend on situation. All taunts gave their moment, and from class to class, or can be more or less useful too.

And ice staff tanking is quite fun of you're not going vetdlc stuff.

Speak for yourself my nb frost/resto olorime symphony ebon pugged vHRC twice already as main tank and did many vet dlc dungeons pretty easily

LongMaySheReign · June 2019

The problem isn't the lack of tanks, people including me just cba to tank/heal a dungeon for random dds who come with pvp sets/skills and spam light attack to get 5-10k dps in a dungeon.(These guys also exist in veteran content) Maybe having a minimum requirement for max stat or weapon/spell damage on a dd would lessen this problem at least. I've encountered so many dds that hit less than a healer that is using a blockade and heavy attack. The problem is that anyone calls themselves a damage dealer nowadays while the damage is nowhere to be found.

D0PAMINE · June 2019

scorpius2k1 wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Just vote to kick them.

It's not the point. I get it, people are choosing the wrong role to get in faster, but it's abusing the system plain and simple and needs to have some sort of restriction as Comixfan mentioned above.

ZoS has given us the tools. Vote kick. We don't need ZoS to police us. We can handle situations on our own.

sp_korshun · June 2019

I never saw fake tanks in vet dungeons, except couple of times, but these tanks were tanky dd with taunt and 25-28k hp, so they were not so fake, as OP means. But i saw endless fake dd in normal and vet dungeon, when i get about 50% of dps on my pure heal, who has only blockade and crushing shock from damage abilities. So for me it looks like two things. First - at normal dungeons fake roles mostly makes no difference. Second - for vet dungeons and different fake role players there's vote to kick, especially for dds with no damage.

LongMaySheReign · June 2019

Well, vote to kick isn't a reliable option when %80 of the dds are like the dds you mentioned...

sp_korshun · June 2019

LongMaySheReign wrote: »

Well, vote to kick isn't a reliable option when %80 of the dds are like the dds you mentioned...

That's why i prefer to do vet only with familiar players. And most part of normals i can do even with such dds on healer, and even solo but with one of my dd. The problem is that i have 5 more chars with unfinished undaunted :'(

SoLooney · June 2019

Rather have a 3rd dps than having someone who just spams springs and mutagen

phileunderx2 · June 2019

In my experience most of the fake role que players are terrible at everything. So I'm all for kicking them.

Runefang · June 2019

Sorry I'm a frost warden. The game told me that meant I was a tank. Really sorry.

Nogawd · June 2019

We see more bad dps in vets where the help is actually needed.

If these are normal dungeons, who cares? You can solo a normal or take a friend. Healers and tanks are basically irrelevant for them. Take 4 dps into a random normal and see how much easier it is.

Some of these people whining about policing the group finder I bet are the types that jump in and steal a chest when they see someone fighting a mob right next to it.

Hypocrites

disintegr8 · June 2019

I hate people trying to skip the queue system in that way but nothing will be done about it so I avoid using dungeon finder unless I absolutely have no other choice.

I'd suggest some others do the same instead of constantly complaining about the lack of ability of other players. There are no rules about how good you have to be to use dungeon finder.

Glurin · June 2019

disintegr8 wrote: »

I hate people trying to skip the queue system in that way but nothing will be done about it so I avoid using dungeon finder unless I absolutely have no other choice.

I'd suggest some others do the same instead of constantly complaining about the lack of ability of other players. There are no rules about how good you have to be to use dungeon finder.

Or, you know, make a tank. Solves your fake tank problems right there. Unfortunately it doesn't do much for other people's fake tank problems since it doesn't stop fake tanks from clogging up the queue.

ryzen_gamer_gal · June 2019

Truly, you have no right to say who is or is not a healer until you see wether or not they do any healing.

I have one of these on each server i am leveling up. STAMINA HEALER

https://dottzgaming.com/build/vigorspam-warden-healer-pve-build/

Yes, it's a thing. And a thing i am doing. One has two bows and the other has a bow and dual wield. Want to see which is the better build.

Hope to see you in a dungeon op!

disintegr8 · June 2019

Glurin wrote: »

disintegr8 wrote: »

I hate people trying to skip the queue system in that way but nothing will be done about it so I avoid using dungeon finder unless I absolutely have no other choice.

I'd suggest some others do the same instead of constantly complaining about the lack of ability of other players. There are no rules about how good you have to be to use dungeon finder.

Or, you know, make a tank. Solves your fake tank problems right there. Unfortunately it doesn't do much for other people's fake tank problems since it doesn't stop fake tanks from clogging up the queue.

That might get in the way of 'play as you want' but yes, people who complain about a lack of tanks should roll their own. It won't stop the fakers but at least you're helping to lessen the problem.

Usually, if I do use group finder for harder content, my friend or I will be a tank or healer and the other on a DPS, so at least we know we'll have half the group correct.

Jeremy · June 2019

Comixfan wrote: »

Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.

This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.

Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.

They need to add an additional way to flag players who abuse the system by queuing for roles they have no intention of filling for faster queue times. That way if enough people flag them the game masters could investigate and dole out temporary bans from using the activity finder where appropriate. That would go a long way to discouraging this practice I believe.

This is one of a few reasons I mostly just play as a tank now. Because often times when I queued up as my healer I just ended up tanking anyway because the supposed tank was a DPS. So I decided if I'm going to end up tanking anyway - I might as well actually bring my tank.

betonidas · June 2019

Hi,

I play as DD and I queue as healer in vet dungeons and as tank in normal ones in order to get in faster. I won't slot any group heals or taunts.

Sincerely
betonidas

Unij · June 2019

betonidas wrote: »

Hi,

I play as DD and I queue as healer in vet dungeons and as tank in normal ones in order to get in faster. I won't slot any group heals or taunts.

Sincerely
betonidas

Hi betonidas,

I have no problem with this as long as you tell your group that before the fight starts. Because of players like you all my tanks and healers are set up to fullfill both roles. For example my healer can swap armor to heavy, use health bufffood and equip a froststaff, and my tanks have all enough aoe + hot heals and groupshield + purge in reserve to heal the group.

Coatmagic · June 2019

Chasing the damn bosses around sucks; much prefer to taunt them and keep them in one spot xD

Comixfan · June 2019

ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »

Truly, you have no right to say who is or is not a healer until you see wether or not they do any healing.

I have one of these on each server i am leveling up. STAMINA HEALER

https://dottzgaming.com/build/vigorspam-warden-healer-pve-build/

Yes, it's a thing. And a thing i am doing. One has two bows and the other has a bow and dual wield. Want to see which is the better build.

Hope to see you in a dungeon op!

I'm failing to see the point you're trying to make. That build has quite a lot of heals so it wouldn't be a case of DPS queuing as healer if you queued as healer with that build.

What I'm talking about is those players who queue as healer and do absolutely NO healing. They only queue as healer so that their queue times are shorter.

Frozen_Heart246 · June 2019

I always have dps/healer setups on my magic characters. So if peoples start struggling i switch. Never que as tank when i'm dsp tho.

Haquor · June 2019

Comixfan wrote: »

Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.

This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.

Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.

And then just change your bar once the group is formed?

Comixfan · June 2019

Haquor wrote: »

Comixfan wrote: »

Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.

This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.

Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.

And then just change your bar once the group is formed?

If you've queued as tank then ideally you shouldn't be able to take taunt(s) off your bar(s).

Same deal with heals.

Zedrian · June 2019

What about players that sign up as a Damage Dealer but deal less DPS than a healer or tank?

SirLeeMinion · June 2019

I'd like to see a YOLO dungeon queue. It would take the next 4 people and throw them in a dungeon regardless of role. Maybe it would be normal only, maybe there'd be no kick option. It sure would be a nice alternative to soloing when you just want to rip through a pledge dungeon. I think it would also dramatically cut down the number of fake tanks and heals in the regular queue.

I regularly announce in multiple guild chats, "Doing a yolo run -any role, any level welcome- through [dungeon] anyone want to come along?" I get one or two others most of the time. It always goes pretty well, so it seems like yolo queue dungeons would, too.

FrancisCrawford · June 2019

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Demra wrote: »

Since i doubt those people will read this post or change their minds even if they do, consider other mean of adaptation for your own sake.
Such as slotting taunt yourself and maybe switching one of your sets for more survivability. Or not using taunt but still adding some healing power and survivability to your setup.
...

I agree. Though I won't pug on my tank, my magplar healer is perfectly happy pugging a fair number of selected dungeons that don't have overly obtuse mechanics. In fact, I sometimes refer to her as a pug healer since she has no interest in complicated dlc dungeons or trials - even with a coordinated group.

While she is very clearly a healer, her skill choices are slightly different than many healers run for more coordinated groups. Pugs do not stack in a manner to make the healer's job easier - so Combat Prayer is a waste. Though she might toy with dropping Breath of Life for a well-coordinated group (and relying on Combat Prayer + Healing Springs + Hots), BoL is essential for pugs where players routinely surprise her with their semiself-destructive antics. Fake tanks mean my healer slots Sweeps and Channeled Focus - meaning she can take a boss in her face as long as it decides she is her preferred target. And while the boss is in her face, the rest of her team does not require much healing since she is dealing with most of the damage. Pugs also mean modest dps so both her ults are damage and she runs reflective light. Her basic 'healing' rotation generates over 15k dps from 'incidental' damage (weaving, Reflective Light, Blockade, Shards). If she is holding a boss and focused on mostly damage, she can generate over 20k. Overall, I'm pretty pleased with her 'pug healer' set up and find it very flexible.

I do something similar, and it works fine for any normal dungeon, on any class.

rotaugen454 · June 2019

The people who do this are the same sort that see a line for a freeway exit and drive in the lane next to it, come to a stop, risking a high speed collision, then try to cut someone off that is exiting.

Vercingetorix · June 2019

As long as my magicka dps has a resto staff on the back bar, I will continue to queue as healer. If you require dedicated healing on a normal non-DLC dungeon, improve your dps - most fights are short enough for self-heals to be sufficient. As a general rule, I don't bother with dedicated healing unless it's vet or a specific normal DLC dungeon.