No.

Seraphayel wrote: »

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

The Bosmer has to have its stealthy passive back - its nonsensical for it not to exist.

You won’t get it back, it’s time to get over and adapt to it. ZOS pretty much ignored the other thread that has dozens of pages and hundreds, thousands of comments. They’re content with the changes and nothing’s going to change in that regard. They moved on 4 months ago and so should you.

For a guy who said he started ignoring this issue months ago, you sure do have trouble ignoring this issue.

Seraphayel wrote: »

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

The Bosmer has to have its stealthy passive back - its nonsensical for it not to exist.

You won’t get it back, it’s time to get over and adapt to it. ZOS pretty much ignored the other thread that has dozens of pages and hundreds, thousands of comments. They’re content with the changes and nothing’s going to change in that regard. They moved on 4 months ago and so should you.

I appreciate what you're trying to say but i don't think this is a fair comment. The forums are hear for feedback and for us (the players ) to have a voice.
It is tempting to ignore it and "move on" but as others have pointed out this is a topic that deserves to be kept active.

While I play argonians and khajiit, I still am in absolute support of bosmer getting their stealth back. The new passive is ridiculously unhelpful in pve and the lore breach is too much.

Random but, since many race got both stam and mag perks, high elf, dark elf, etc.

Why didnt bosmers get both stam and mag recovery?

Wouldve been pretty sweet.

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

In regards to the Bosmer loosing their stealthy passive, the community seamed a bit perplexed at what seamed to be a changed aimed at nerfing roll-palayers. I wonder if the Devs ever spoke out about this or gave a reason why ? ( i know there are huge forum threads on this but i don't ever remember seeing any dev speak out about this )
My theory was this was done just to encourage more players to make khajiit for the "Chapter"
But having just made a new Bosmer nightblade i cant understand how this little 4 foot peanut is as easy to detect in sneak as Lyris Titenborn.

The Bosmer has to have its stealthy passive back - its nonsensical for it not to exist.

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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/459007/wood-elf-bosmer-losing-stealth-passive-an-open-letter#latest

I get it, RPG is role playing game. But the majority of players aren’t role players so to speak. They play on the side of performance. Most people would rather have balanced characters, fix game breaking issues, than a particular race being lore friendly. Now I’m by no way saying your wrong because your vote counts too, as a person playing the game.

What I want to know from y’all, is what would you sacrifice to just have sneak back? As far as I’m concerned I like the changes. I like the stamina. I like the roll dodge penetration. I like the stamina recovery. Are you willing to get rid of these just for sneak? To screw over a huge amount of players for something that, honestly, doesn’t add much in comparison BUT role play and lore?

I’d be fine with ADDING the sneak to say, the stamina recovery passive for wood elf. But getting rid of anything that we wood elves have now just for sneak is a bit ridiculous.

So what is it you’re really willing to give up, or make others give up, to get your sneak back? Because I can totally get on the band wagon if you’d argue to add sneak while keeping the current passives how they are. But if you want to remove something just for sneak, I’ll fight against that all day.

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

I get it, RPG is role playing game. But the majority of players aren’t role players so to speak. They play on the side of performance. Most people would rather have balanced characters, fix game breaking issues, than a particular race being lore friendly. Now I’m by no way saying your wrong because your vote counts too, as a person playing the game.

What I want to know from y’all, is what would you sacrifice to just have sneak back? As far as I’m concerned I like the changes. I like the stamina. I like the roll dodge penetration. I like the stamina recovery. Are you willing to get rid of these just for sneak? To screw over a huge amount of players for something that, honestly, doesn’t add much in comparison BUT role play and lore?

I’d be fine with ADDING the sneak to say, the stamina recovery passive for wood elf. But getting rid of anything that we wood elves have now just for sneak is a bit ridiculous.

So what is it you’re really willing to give up, or make others give up, to get your sneak back? Because I can totally get on the band wagon if you’d argue to add sneak while keeping the current passives how they are. But if you want to remove something just for sneak, I’ll fight against that all day.

What we want is the return of the bonus to hiding that we had before, and we do not want the detection 'bonus' that has no possibility of being used outside of Cyrodiil, and which is unreliable and not especially useful even there*. That's it, no other changes are needed or asked for. We are not asking for the damage bonus that we had with sneak before (and which the Khajiit also lost). While several people in the other thread don't particularly like the rest of the passive (the roll-dodging shenanigans), it could remain as-is and most of us would be happy.

The stamina, regen, and resistances wouldn't change at all in the slightest.

Edit to add: * Note that the detection bonus is especially problematic, because there is not the slightest justification for it in the lore -- it is, in fact, exactly the opposite of what the lore describes the Bosmer as being.
Also, in my sig you can see where I say "stealth is to thieves as magicka is to mages." Being sneaky is THE defining skill of a thief. Taking the hiding bonus from the Bosmer is EXACTLY like taking all magic bonuses away from the Altmer or Bretons. This isn't just a bit of RP fluff, it is a vital resource for a thief playstyle. If you don't play that way, fine, but please don't dismiss it as just RP lore.
Also, I note that you don't list the detection bonus as something you want to fight for. Did you forget it, or is it completely useless to you?

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

I get it, RPG is role playing game. But the majority of players aren’t role players so to speak. They play on the side of performance. Most people would rather have balanced characters, fix game breaking issues, than a particular race being lore friendly. Now I’m by no way saying your wrong because your vote counts too, as a person playing the game.

What I want to know from y’all, is what would you sacrifice to just have sneak back? As far as I’m concerned I like the changes. I like the stamina. I like the roll dodge penetration. I like the stamina recovery. Are you willing to get rid of these just for sneak? To screw over a huge amount of players for something that, honestly, doesn’t add much in comparison BUT role play and lore?

I’d be fine with ADDING the sneak to say, the stamina recovery passive for wood elf. But getting rid of anything that we wood elves have now just for sneak is a bit ridiculous.

So what is it you’re really willing to give up, or make others give up, to get your sneak back? Because I can totally get on the band wagon if you’d argue to add sneak while keeping the current passives how they are. But if you want to remove something just for sneak, I’ll fight against that all day.

A tad confused

Why are these the only options?

Why not change the name 'Hunters Eye', and switch out detecting invis to Decreases Detection radius?

deepseamk20b14_ESO wrote: »

I get it, RPG is role playing game. But the majority of players aren’t role players so to speak. They play on the side of performance. Most people would rather have balanced characters, fix game breaking issues, than a particular race being lore friendly. Now I’m by no way saying your wrong because your vote counts too, as a person playing the game.

What I want to know from y’all, is what would you sacrifice to just have sneak back? As far as I’m concerned I like the changes. I like the stamina. I like the roll dodge penetration. I like the stamina recovery. Are you willing to get rid of these just for sneak? To screw over a huge amount of players for something that, honestly, doesn’t add much in comparison BUT role play and lore?

I’d be fine with ADDING the sneak to say, the stamina recovery passive for wood elf. But getting rid of anything that we wood elves have now just for sneak is a bit ridiculous.

So what is it you’re really willing to give up, or make others give up, to get your sneak back? Because I can totally get on the band wagon if you’d argue to add sneak while keeping the current passives how they are. But if you want to remove something just for sneak, I’ll fight against that all day.

I hate this whole labeling of "Stealth is for Role Players" thing.

There are two dlcs that directly relate to stealth. And there are thieves dens everywhere because stealing is a thing. I belong to ZERO RP guilds, but I do belong to 2 trading guilds. I was lucky as I had a back up Kahjit NB or one of my main sources of income would have been toast. But I don't like farming with him as his crafting skills are not that high. Who does have high crafting skills? My now unstealthy bosmer. So now if I want to go around stealing to make gold I go on one character. And if I want to go for mats I go on another.

So what skill would I want dumped? Take the whole "Hunter's Eye" passive, I didn't put any points into it anyway. Stealth detect - useless. Armor pen - useless in PvE. Speed after a roll, situational at best. But I get it through other buffs so... Useless. The best thing about hunter's eye is that it saves me three skill points. (Not that I need them, I have 24 unspent ones as it is.)

However, I hear some people like the armor pen though so whatever. Take away the absolutely pointless stealth detect and replace it with improved stealth and call it a day. The rest of the passive is still trash as far as I am concerned, but at least I would have a reason to put points into it then.