Comixfan wrote: »

Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.

^^ This.

Comixfan wrote: »

Not sure about on PC, but almost every dungeon of late on Xbox has DPS queuing as tank and/or heals.

This needs to stop. There are roles in game for a reason.

Zenimax need to change it so that if you have no taunt abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as tank, and if you have no group healing abilities on your bar(s) you can't queue as healer.

So as long as I have Vigor on my bar (which is very common for Stam DDs to have), I can queue as a healer?

They should make a skill that is a toggle for taunt in the Undaunted skill line, just like the the heal toggle skill from the Psijic Order skill line. That would stop a lot of the problems about tanking and open up every class to a taunt.

I think the only way this would work is, in order to queue a support role would be that you must have a SnB(with taunt abilities)/ice staff(with taunt passives)/Resto staff(healing abilities slotted) equipped without the ability to swap to DPS.

PS- You could join a guild with group content as a focus. Usually those types of guilds actively have people wanting to run dungeons with each other. So far this has been my route to a happier group experience and I enjoy the people I have met so far.

Tasear wrote: »

Just vote to kick them.

This IS the point. If the community as a whole generally kicks fake tanks/heals then those who fake queue will be disincentivized from that behavior. If kicking those who fake queue does not routinely occur, the message is that the behavior is okay. It is really that simple.

Requiring a taunt or heal from someone who does not embrace the role will simply result in replacing fake tanks/heals with token, atrocious tanks/heals who do not want to embrace the role.

All depends. On normal I couldn't care less, as long as the boss stays still and is taunted it is fine.

On vet though I expect more.

I haven't done dungeons in a while, but you can still just change skills after grouping right?? If you can then checking what someone has on their bar when searching for group wouldn't work.

They should just make it if you have the shield next to your name all of your moves generate agro making you have to tank everything you hit lol

Since i doubt those people will read this post or change their minds even if they do, consider other mean of adaptation for your own sake.
Such as slotting taunt yourself and maybe switching one of your sets for more survivability. Or not using taunt but still adding some healing power and survivability to your setup.

The more common this problem will be the more likely, i believe, people will start making their builds jack of all trades which eventually will result in something like 4 dps tanky healers. This not necessarily will reduce the over all dps of the group, at least not by much but will create kind of gameplay where everybody are self reliant.

I might be talking out of my ass but i think this is worth considering.

Are they adequately performing the queued role?

LeagueTroll wrote: »

AcadianPaladin wrote: »

Tasear wrote: »

Just vote to kick them.

This IS the point. If the community as a whole generally kicks fake tanks/heals then those who fake queue will be disincentivized from that behavior. If kicking those who fake queue does not routinely occur, the message is that the behavior is okay. It is really that simple.

Requiring a taunt or heal from someone who does not embrace the role will simply result in replacing fake tanks/heals with token, atrocious tanks/heals who do not want to embrace the role.

I agree, ppl should be held responsible. However i do not support double standard, a damage dealer doing too little dmg should be kicked too.

There is a difference between queuing for a role and not even attempting to perform it vs being poor at the role. A poor healer, tank or dps who is trying should be offered some help. If the content is clearly beyond what some tips on mechanics/skills for the player can help, then kicking may be necessary to complete the dungeon. Whether the dungeon is basic alliance, dlc, normal, vet are all factors in making a kick decision for a player who may be trying but struggling with their chosen role. For example, a 6k dps in a vet dungeon? Kicking may be appropriate with a bit of advice to go back to normals and practice.

Demra wrote: »

Since i doubt those people will read this post or change their minds even if they do, consider other mean of adaptation for your own sake.
Such as slotting taunt yourself and maybe switching one of your sets for more survivability. Or not using taunt but still adding some healing power and survivability to your setup.
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I agree. Though I won't pug on my tank, my magplar healer is perfectly happy pugging a fair number of selected dungeons that don't have overly obtuse mechanics. In fact, I sometimes refer to her as a pug healer since she has no interest in complicated dlc dungeons or trials - even with a coordinated group.

While she is very clearly a healer, her skill choices are slightly different than many healers run for more coordinated groups. Pugs do not stack in a manner to make the healer's job easier - so Combat Prayer is a waste. Though she might toy with dropping Breath of Life for a well-coordinated group (and relying on Combat Prayer + Healing Springs + Hots), BoL is essential for pugs where players routinely surprise her with their semiself-destructive antics. Fake tanks mean my healer slots Sweeps and Channeled Focus - meaning she can take a boss in her face as long as it decides she is her preferred target. And while the boss is in her face, the rest of her team does not require much healing since she is dealing with most of the damage. Pugs also mean modest dps so both her ults are damage and she runs reflective light. Her basic 'healing' rotation generates over 15k dps from 'incidental' damage (weaving, Reflective Light, Blockade, Shards). If she is holding a boss and focused on mostly damage, she can generate over 20k. Overall, I'm pretty pleased with her 'pug healer' set up and find it very flexible.

You know what, I completely forgot about inner fire, the tanks that I am running with at the moment are all using Ice Staff.

I feel foolish!