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Dark Cloak + Vigor = OP in PVP
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭EtTuBrutus wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »CambionDaemon wrote: »Armour needs weight, which contributes to stamina drain. And nerf healing in CP it is way to strong. And damage output is insane, so that needs to be addressed. In short, PvP needs a bit of a redesign.
With max resists and ~2500 impen and access to major protection and major evasion, not much hits me more than 5k. And with an almost constant 8 to 10k hot coming in at all times and a burst heal available for those oh crap moments I don't even have to stack in to healing cp to be extremely survivable. Even insanely survivable in a small group setting. I say all this to say this is a very complex issue. Crit healing and healing stacking, especially in a large group setting is extremely strong. I think groups larger than a couple of individuals, healing should not stack.
What? 8 or 10k hot coming in? How?
You’d need 100k health and 100% crit, or are you not talking about dark cloak?
He's full of it.
I think so, maybe a typo and he meant 800-1k. Those numbers are realistic on a back bar with healing modifiers.Edited by Iskiab on June 14, 2019 10:58AMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
usmguy1234✭✭✭✭✭
✭usmguy1234 wrote: »CambionDaemon wrote: »Armour needs weight, which contributes to stamina drain. And nerf healing in CP it is way to strong. And damage output is insane, so that needs to be addressed. In short, PvP needs a bit of a redesign.
With max resists and ~2500 impen and access to major protection and major evasion, not much hits me more than 5k. And with an almost constant 8 to 10k hot coming in at all times and a burst heal available for those oh crap moments I don't even have to stack in to healing cp to be extremely survivable. Even insanely survivable in a small group setting. I say all this to say this is a very complex issue. Crit healing and healing stacking, especially in a large group setting is extremely strong. I think groups larger than a couple of individuals, healing should not stack.
What? 8 or 10k hot coming in? How?
You’d need 100k health and 100% crit, or are you not talking about dark cloak?
All hots stacked on my character which is a stamplar. If you check the comment I was referring to, their argument is healing cp is the culprit behind insane healing in the game. My argument is you can get insane healing without putting any points into healing trees.
Zaghigoth- Orc Stamplar
Soul Razor- Altmer Magsorc
Les Drago- Redguard Stamdk
Eirius- Altmer Magdk
Stormifeth- Altmer Magplar
Disclaimer: My comments are a little sarcasm mixed with truth. If you can't handle that don't respond to me.0 -
burglar✭✭✭✭Is this like a parody of the 'nerf sorc shields' posts? Dark Cloak is not overperforming in any context, even combined with vigor.
Yeah, it was actually nerfed this last patch. All OP has to do is watch some of zDan's magicka nightblade videos prior to patch 22. Dark cloak + robes of the hist set = OPBosmer Melee Magicka Nightblade0 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.Edited by Delparis on June 16, 2019 4:23AM0 -
FangOfTheTwoMoons✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.0 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
Purge and Cleansing Ritual are both purging skills. Why does Purge remove two effects at twice the cost? See? Class skills are supposed to be more powerful than others.3 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
Purge and Cleansing Ritual are both purging skills. Why does Purge remove two effects at twice the cost? See? Class skills are supposed to be more powerful than others.
Really ? in that case why Dampen magic is more powerfull than sun shield ?0 -
WuffyCerulei✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Do not nerf my Nightblade tank, thank you very much."Buzz Lightyear toy isle shot" Stormcalling/Animal Companions/Assassination PVP build hater
Bring Back Pure Class Build Power1 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭Nightblade and sorc are *** OP.
This game should be renamed to The Elder SorcBlade OnlineEdited by Delparis on June 16, 2019 10:32AM3 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
Purge and Cleansing Ritual are both purging skills. Why does Purge remove two effects at twice the cost? See? Class skills are supposed to be more powerful than others.
Really ? in that case why Dampen magic is more powerfull than sun shield ?
Sun Shield is a HP Shield, not a mag shield. Only mag class shield is the sorc shield. Why is Sun Shield better than the only other HP shield, Bone Shield?2 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
Purge and Cleansing Ritual are both purging skills. Why does Purge remove two effects at twice the cost? See? Class skills are supposed to be more powerful than others.
Really ? in that case why Dampen magic is more powerfull than sun shield ?
Sun Shield is a HP Shield, not a mag shield. Only mag class shield is the sorc shield. Why is Sun Shield better than the only other HP shield, Bone Shield?
Bone shield use stamina so HP shield make sens for a tank
Sun shield use magicka so this doesn't make any sens.
still Cloak is very powerfull spammable skill combined with health regen makes it OPEdited by Delparis on June 16, 2019 11:02AM0 -
FangOfTheTwoMoons✭✭✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.Edited by FangOfTheTwoMoons on June 16, 2019 11:53AM3 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.
Dark Cloak doesn't make you invisible so you either have a heal+Minor Protection or are invisible, not both. If you actually played NB, you'd know that.Edited by Silver_Strider on June 16, 2019 1:41PMArgonian forever7 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.
Daaaaamn I wish invis cloak gave the dark cloak effects.... woooo weeee you sure you play NB?1 -
Delparis✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.
Dark Cloak doesn't make you invisible so you either have a heal+Minor Protection or are invisible, not both. If you actually played NB, you'd know that.
I'm talking about Shadowy Disguise that grant you invisibility still that skill is too OP.
Dark cloak give also too much health regenration combined with vigor so OP too.
I was talking from a pvp perspective of stamblade using Shadowy Disguise as i mainly pvp with my NB0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.
Dark Cloak doesn't make you invisible so you either have a heal+Minor Protection or are invisible, not both. If you actually played NB, you'd know that.
I'm talking about Shadowy Disguise that grant you invisibility still that skill is too OP.
Dark cloak give also too much health regenration combined with vigor so OP too.
I was talking from a pvp perspective of stamblade using Shadowy Disguise as i mainly pvp with my NB
Something is telling me you are a Templar main.4 -
x48rph✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread makes no sense. 1. Dark cloak just got nerfed and is worse now and 2. Your complaint is you can combine it with vigor and that makes it OP? Really? You could literally say that about every single other HoT in the game since everyone has access to vigor. How do you figure out of all those skills, somehow only combined with dark cloak is it OP? Sounds awfully biased against nightblades.4 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭This thread makes no sense. 1. Dark cloak just got nerfed and is worse now and 2. Your complaint is you can combine it with vigor and that makes it OP? Really? You could literally say that about every single other HoT in the game since everyone has access to vigor. How do you figure out of all those skills, somehow only combined with dark cloak is it OP? Sounds awfully biased against nightblades.
I’ll take the new dark cloak over the 3.5 sec one. 4 ticks of 14-2100 (crit) Or 8 ticks of 1000 (non crit) plus minor protection uptime....0 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭The complaints in this thread have really spiraled down into utter nonesense lol. I'm pretty sure one or two guys actually think you can use both morphs of cloak at the same time!3 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.
Dark Cloak doesn't make you invisible so you either have a heal+Minor Protection or are invisible, not both. If you actually played NB, you'd know that.
I'm talking about Shadowy Disguise that grant you invisibility still that skill is too OP.
Dark cloak give also too much health regenration combined with vigor so OP too.
I was talking from a pvp perspective of stamblade using Shadowy Disguise as i mainly pvp with my NB
6% of your max health per second.
With 30k health, 1800 Health per second. Battle spirit nerfs that to 900 per second.
Are you kidding me when you say Dark Cloak is "OP"? Cleansing Ritual heals me for almost double of that, purges me, grants me minor mending and snares people that enter it but Dark Cloak is OP when combined with Vigor?
LMFAOArgonian forever1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭To OP. The issue isn’t the combination of the two skills. It’s the lack of using a type of skill on your bar. Pull them out of cloak with one of the several skills that will do that. It works wonders and your situation is resolved.0 -
Insco851✭✭✭✭✭
✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.
Dark Cloak doesn't make you invisible so you either have a heal+Minor Protection or are invisible, not both. If you actually played NB, you'd know that.
I'm talking about Shadowy Disguise that grant you invisibility still that skill is too OP.
Dark cloak give also too much health regenration combined with vigor so OP too.
I was talking from a pvp perspective of stamblade using Shadowy Disguise as i mainly pvp with my NB
6% of your max health per second.
With 30k health, 1800 Health per second. Battle spirit nerfs that to 900 per second.
Are you kidding me when you say Dark Cloak is "OP"? Cleansing Ritual heals me for almost double of that, purges me, grants me minor mending and snares people that enter it but Dark Cloak is OP when combined with Vigor?
LMFAO
Small thing to note here... ritual ticks every 2 seconds. Dark cloak ticks every second.Edited by Insco851 on June 16, 2019 11:08PM1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yea, you can’t directly compare an ability to ritual. It’s the class defining ability for Templars, it should be loaded and powerful.
I agree dark cloak is not OP 100% though.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Silver_Strider✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Silver_Strider wrote: »Silver_Strider wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »FangOfTheTwoMoons wrote: »Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Totaly agree
Cloak should cut the health the same way in mist form
But i guess @ZOS_Gilliam wont let this as he plays stamblade.
Mist form and cloak are two completely different abilities. You make no sense.
They are both defensive abilities.
Can you tell me why can't we heal in Mist form ?
You have you answer why heal in cloak shouldn't be a thing.
They operate differently. Mist form removes CC, grants you immunity from CC,reduces damage by 75%, and give major expodetion (with elusive mist)*. It's used to escape. That's why you can't heal in it. You don't need to. Cloaking doesn't purge me of my CC or make me immune to anything. So unless you make Cloak give something else besides invisibility your point is flawed and you just sound salty a NB got you. If a NB is ganking you this patch your opinion shouldn't even matter.
It's almost as if abilities shouldn't have defining differences. The trade offs are there.
Cloak give health regen based on maximum health or minor protection + major resolve and major ward and you are invisible so immune to CC and direct dmg.
I'm not salty i play NB too, but if a class if OP because of some skill combination it need to be nerfed otherwise everyone will play NB.
Dark Cloak doesn't make you invisible so you either have a heal+Minor Protection or are invisible, not both. If you actually played NB, you'd know that.
I'm talking about Shadowy Disguise that grant you invisibility still that skill is too OP.
Dark cloak give also too much health regenration combined with vigor so OP too.
I was talking from a pvp perspective of stamblade using Shadowy Disguise as i mainly pvp with my NB
6% of your max health per second.
With 30k health, 1800 Health per second. Battle spirit nerfs that to 900 per second.
Are you kidding me when you say Dark Cloak is "OP"? Cleansing Ritual heals me for almost double of that, purges me, grants me minor mending and snares people that enter it but Dark Cloak is OP when combined with Vigor?
LMFAO
Small thing to note here... ritual ticks every 2 seconds. Dark cloak ticks every second.
I'm aware of the 2 second interval between Ritual Ticks. Mine heals 2874 per tick, so 1437 per second in PvP. My Dark Cloak, with the same CP distribution heals me for 1347 per second in PvP.
Vigor is also more potent on Templar due to Minor Mending as well so Cleansing Ritual+Vigor heals me better than Dark Cloak+Vigor.
The argument that Dark Cloak+Any non-class specific heal is somehow OP is ludicrous as a resultArgonian forever1 -
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✭Class heal skill + Vigor = OP in PVP?
If it truth, ZOS must delete all class heal skills.
hahaha...*sigh*0 -
moosegod✭✭✭Seriously, just keep major defile up. This kills the heavy troll king NB. I used to play that build and a constant defile would wreck me.0 -
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✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »Stam NB survivability in PVP is still amazing and better than many other classes.
Dark Cloak is required for PVE Tanking, its not a nerf requets for this skill but combining this skill with Vigor gives too much heals in PVP
It gives Major Ward/Resolve too + Minor Protection and Stam NB in Heavy Armor is nightmare!
ZOS need to come up with possible solution, its too strong in PVP and 200% worth dropping cloak!
Be lucky they aren't all smart enough to wear heavy (though medium is better IMO) and SnB yet for ganking. You're going to love what's possible on NB this patch. Always was an OP combination, but man...this patch it's just
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