Dragons give everyone amnesia

Kotusha · June 2019

So, if you create a new character and start in Elsweyr and then move on to the main quest - nobody remembers you. Sir Cadwell does not remember you, Abnur Tharn doesn't remember you, and, if you're in AD, Raz and Vastarie don't remember you either. But that's fine since you forgot them, too. Is this side-effect of dragons getting out or should we just stop pretending that you can start the story at any point?

myskyrim26 · June 2019

A good and logical story + an MMO game = impossible

Kotusha · June 2019

myskyrim26 wrote: »

A good and logical story + an MMO game = impossible

The story is good and logical as long as you play it in the order everything was released, so I'd say it's possible

HiLyfe808 · June 2019

We can stop pretending you can start at any point. But that only applies if you wanted them to remember you.

Acrolas · June 2019

To paraphrase Darien, what's happened to you hasn't happened to them yet.

idk · June 2019

Kotusha wrote: »

Is this side-effect of dragons getting out or should we just stop pretending that you can start the story at any point?

No. Because you can start the story at any point. But there is a quest one gets early on, unless they ignore the quest giver, that helps them find their way to cold harbor.

I do like how Acrolas put it above, lol

EvilAutoTech · June 2019

None of my necromancers have met any of those NPCs. They're all hanging out in Daggerfall while I work on my EU crafter. They all have met the hooded figure.

TheShadowScout · June 2019

Kotusha wrote: »

So, if you create a new character and start in Elsweyr and then move on to the main quest - nobody remembers you...

...and that is why people who care about immersion pretend the elsweyr tutorial was just a prohpetic dream, and play the mainstory first!

cyclonus11 · June 2019

Acrolas wrote: »

To paraphrase Darien, what's happened to you hasn't happened to them yet.

The dialogue:

If Summerset is the first location you meet Darien, the dialogue will be following:

Not that I can recall. The first time I saw you was when you were wearing your golden armor.
"You don't remember me? I was afraid of that. Meridia told me that time worked differently in Oblivion, but I didn't believe her. What's happened to me hasn't happened to you yet.
That doesn't matter now. What matters is I found you."

bluebird · June 2019

The forced latest-chapter-you-have tutorial is very annoying for this reason. We should be just able to pick our starting tutorial, so we can start properly in Coldharbour if we want to play through the main story first with our characters before getting plopped down in Elsweyr.

oddbasket · June 2019

Usually such things go forwards, not backwards. Breaks immersion, but otherwise they would have to go back and redo a lot of dialogues and rehire all those voice actors. That's a lot of work and time plus money to be expected, so that's understandable.

AcadianPaladin · June 2019

I get that some folks don't care so much about the storyline and perhaps want to start a new character in the newest chapter - that is fine by me. But at least give us who don't feel that way the OPTION of starting in Coldharbour if we prefer. This has been asked for routinely since the first chapter came out.

Iccotak · June 2019

it makes more sense that its

Coldharbor/Tamriel - Orsinium - Morrowind - Clockwork City - Summerset - Murkmire - Wrathstone - Elsweyr

Because the plane meld isn't happening anymore in the other areas nor is it a concern. It is treated very much like something from the past.

Seriously it doesn't make any sense to start in the latest chapter. Not when you have returning characters in each new story.

I think that new chapters cater too much to new players

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/475780/spoilers-elsweyr-player-critiques

redspecter23 · June 2019

Consider these situations as flashbacks in your lifetime. When you take that teleport to Glenumbra, pretend it's a different moment in time for your character. Showing you things that happened in your past. When you come back to your "present" self, you continue your story forward from that point in time.

It's not perfect, but it may help.

Tan9oSuccka · June 2019

So, you started a new character out of order and expected new dialog for older content?

I guess. “Mah immersion ruined!!”

Tigerseye · June 2019

NVM - I get what you're saying now.

Kotusha · June 2019

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

So, you started a new character out of order and expected new dialog for older content?

I guess. “Mah immersion ruined!!”

"Elsweyr is great for new players", they said. "Create a new character", they said. "They won't mock you on the forums"-- wait they didn't say that, that's fair.

idk wrote: »

But there is a quest one gets early on, unless they ignore the quest giver, that helps them find their way to cold harbor.

Not "ignore", but rather not teleport to the main zone until you complete the latest chapter. Yeah, I know the right order, my problem is mostly with the forced tutorial and how the devs say latest chapters are the best starting points for new players.

jainiadral · June 2019

It's too bad you don't have a choice of which tutorial you want to follow. I've never seen Morrowind's and I saw the original only once during a free Steam weekend a couple of years ago. All of my toons have started in Summerset, which makes less than zero sense as the beginning of a new game.

Mathius_Mordred · June 2019

There is a simple solution to this. If your character starts in Elsweyr then simply go immediately to your faction's original starting point and play from there, there are guides available to know which is the right order. Players with alts don't want to necessarily go through all the same stuff they've already done before being able to start the latest stories. We are given a choice, choice is always good.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2019

Kotusha wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

A good and logical story + an MMO game = impossible

The story is good and logical as long as you play it in the order everything was released, so I'd say it's possible

Good/Logical story + MMO is possible (ESO before "One Tamriel").
Good/Logical story + open world is possible (TES5, Witcher3)

Good/Logical story + open world + MMO is definitely impossible. Well, I shouldn't say it that way, who knows if there's a genius somewhere who'll come up with a way to do it in the future.
But regarding ESO as it currently is, you have to willingly do things in the correct order (=release order and faction order) to make things somewhat consistent story-wise.

mague · June 2019

myskyrim26 wrote: »

A good and logical story + an MMO game = impossible

No, Zenimax is really bad at that. Yes, the anchors are still active and understandable because it would be huge to turn all zones into new zones with new quests

In games like EQ2 the dragon did not speak to you if you havent learned his language. And his majordomo didnt talk to you if you havent learned the language of the giants. Why does Abnur mail me although i dont know him ?

The magic word is prerequisites. I am here since 2015, but a new player doesnt get a choice to start classic or up-to-date.

Rontabs77 · June 2019

ZOS should refine the Zone Guide. Specifically, the Main Quest metric. It should indicate the sequence of the quests, chronologically.

TelvanniWizard · June 2019

Dragonbreak

Elsonso · June 2019

Kotusha wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

A good and logical story + an MMO game = impossible

The story is good and logical as long as you play it in the order everything was released, so I'd say it's possible

True, but ZOS wants to move the starting point every year, for happy new players who want to play what they just bought, and they don't want to go back and fix the old, forgotten, start points so the story is cohesive.

Maybe research shows players don't stick around that long... ?

RebornV3x · June 2019

There should be an option on were to start that you select right after character creation
Option 1: Coldharbour Start: Start the game at the beginning *brief rundown of the story arc* and then in yellow lettering "recommended for those new to Elder Scrolls and those that want a full cohesive story"

Option 2 Elyswer/Future Chapter start- Jump right into the newest content in the Elder Scrolls Online *brief overview of the chapter* in yellow lettering "recommended for current and returning players some story elements might not make sense if you choose this start as a new player.

Ildun · June 2019

That's why I played my main according order and all 3 alliances at once, everyone remember me and this make some "ending" more epic and touching.

But the downside is it make me feel tire and bore to play other character.

Veinblood1965 · June 2019

Never let the truth get in the way of a good MORPH

Osteos · June 2019

RebornV3x wrote: »

There should be an option on were to start that you select right after character creation
Option 1: Coldharbour Start: Start the game at the beginning *brief rundown of the story arc* and then in yellow lettering "recommended for those new to Elder Scrolls and those that want a full cohesive story"

Option 2 Elyswer/Future Chapter start- Jump right into the newest content in the Elder Scrolls Online *brief overview of the chapter* in yellow lettering "recommended for current and returning players some story elements might not make sense if you choose this start as a new player.

I am curious why they don't do this.

redgreensunset · June 2019

idk wrote: »

Kotusha wrote: »

Is this side-effect of dragons getting out or should we just stop pretending that you can start the story at any point?

No. Because you can start the story at any point. But there is a quest one gets early on, unless they ignore the quest giver, that helps them find their way to cold harbor.

I do like how Acrolas put it above, lol

Except you do not get it early on. You only get that one if you go to your faction's starter city. Which you as newcomer have sod all idea what or where is, or that there even is such a thing. Took me days to find out this and I started playing right after Elseweyr dropped.

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

So, you started a new character out of order and expected new dialog for older content?

I guess. “Mah immersion ruined!!”

You get started out of order whether you want to or not, and if you are a newcomer with no idea that things used to be different you don't go look for a main story that you don't know is there. Which makes for very cpnfusing gameplay I tell you.

lordrichter wrote: »

Kotusha wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

A good and logical story + an MMO game = impossible

The story is good and logical as long as you play it in the order everything was released, so I'd say it's possible

True, but ZOS wants to move the starting point every year, for happy new players who want to play what they just bought, and they don't want to go back and fix the old, forgotten, start points so the story is cohesive.

Maybe research shows players don't stick around that long... ?

Except in this case they didn't get a happy new player out of it, they got an aggravated and confused new player instead. And this from a player who always spent a couplr of months in a new Elder Scroll game ignoring whatever the main storyline is. (My aproach to Skyrim was, "Dragons, what? Alduin, whp? Never heard of her. Here let me go help the theive's guild instead." So it'snot focusing on sidequests pr doing things "out of order" as such, it's that the game gives no hint that there is any such order at all to newcomers.)

My own suggestion for a solution would be to go back to the original tutorial, run us through thr Coldharbor thing. Then when the game gets us back to Tamriel and dumps us on the starting island have an NPC talk to us, informing us that "X is happening at Y", with Y being wherever the newest expansion is and X being whatever is going on, in this case Y would be Elseweyr and Y dragon invasion. Then give us get a pointer quest to that location like all the other 47254852 pointer quests this game has.
Wouldn't be the optimal solution, but I don't really think one exists that is also financially viable for the game.

redgreensunset · June 2019

RebornV3x wrote: »

There should be an option on were to start that you select right after character creation
Option 1: Coldharbour Start: Start the game at the beginning *brief rundown of the story arc* and then in yellow lettering "recommended for those new to Elder Scrolls and those that want a full cohesive story"

Option 2 Elyswer/Future Chapter start- Jump right into the newest content in the Elder Scrolls Online *brief overview of the chapter* in yellow lettering "recommended for current and returning players some story elements might not make sense if you choose this start as a new player.

This would be near ideal and I'd love to see them do something like this, even if it won't benefit me much as I've more or less figured it out by now.

xxthir13enxx · June 2019

https://youtu.be/y_3oxD5dDSw