tmbrinks wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

With a GAH trading guilds will just change focus and not disappear. Consider this. What do all of the trade guilds do with their resources currently? Their focus is on mostly securing their spot. The gold they spend is then removed from the game. There are guilds that fight for each spot so it is very competitive. So where do those resources, gold and efforts get redirected with a GAH? One to two people may not be able to control the market but a group of 200 could. And it could potentially get to the point where you have to be in a guild to buy certain items

Also what would be the replacement gold sink. We pay listing fees currently and I can say that the amount of gold sunk by traders wont be covered unless you significantly increase the listing fees or have another sink.

The replacement gold sink could be what was mentioned in this thread at some point. Mounts, pets, cosmetics,............ a variety of things that should've already been there, but ended up in the crown store. We should have dozens of mounts available for gold. Sure trade guilds will change focus. Some will try to to stay trade guilds, but will eventually adapt to the new system, and take on another focus. By nature, we adapt as humans. We don't like changes at first, but we do adapt.

Ironic that ESO has a functioning economy that is different than all other MMOs yet you’re trying to argue that changing ESO’s economy to one that is essentially the same as everyone else’s would somehow constitute change.

Sounds to me that it’s probably you that needs to adapt to the world that has changed around you.

I wouldn't say a corrupt, inconvenient economy is truly functioning for everyone. People have been complaining about the trader system since shortly after it began. Someone in the thread mentioned other games have similar economies. For example, (mentioned within this thread)another game which was similar to ESO's trading vendor, but they use supplies instead of gold to fund it. This isn't a completely one of a kind deal. I didn't suggest an AH. I suggested an adjusted AH, a better version of what exists currently in some other games with limits to eliminate the current and many forms of corruption that occur in trading systems. Only a player abusing the current system wouldn't want a system free of corruption.

nice bait. How didn't I adapt?
DO you know me? No.
DO you know what I earn per day? NO right?

So explain how I need to adapt. Proposing a better system doesn't mean I didn't adapt. I've been here since Beta. Hang on I'll go get my popcorn while you try to answer that.Btw, this isn't personal. It's a set of valid questions.

As for the "adjusted AH", I do writs on 36 characters a day... you can be assured that I go out and buy more than 100 stacks of materials at a time, so that I have enough to do them.

This is a perfect example why such a suffocating regulatory system would be detrimental to so many players experience. No Overseer can perfectly hit a limit that would even come close to the great flexibility and freedoms of an open market. I vote NAY to proposition "Trade Overseer".

tmbrinks wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

wtlonewolf20 wrote: »

With a GAH trading guilds will just change focus and not disappear. Consider this. What do all of the trade guilds do with their resources currently? Their focus is on mostly securing their spot. The gold they spend is then removed from the game. There are guilds that fight for each spot so it is very competitive. So where do those resources, gold and efforts get redirected with a GAH? One to two people may not be able to control the market but a group of 200 could. And it could potentially get to the point where you have to be in a guild to buy certain items

Also what would be the replacement gold sink. We pay listing fees currently and I can say that the amount of gold sunk by traders wont be covered unless you significantly increase the listing fees or have another sink.

The replacement gold sink could be what was mentioned in this thread at some point. Mounts, pets, cosmetics,............ a variety of things that should've already been there, but ended up in the crown store. We should have dozens of mounts available for gold. Sure trade guilds will change focus. Some will try to to stay trade guilds, but will eventually adapt to the new system, and take on another focus. By nature, we adapt as humans. We don't like changes at first, but we do adapt.

Ironic that ESO has a functioning economy that is different than all other MMOs yet you’re trying to argue that changing ESO’s economy to one that is essentially the same as everyone else’s would somehow constitute change.

Sounds to me that it’s probably you that needs to adapt to the world that has changed around you.

I wouldn't say a corrupt, inconvenient economy is truly functioning for everyone. People have been complaining about the trader system since shortly after it began. Someone in the thread mentioned other games have similar economies. For example, (mentioned within this thread)another game which was similar to ESO's trading vendor, but they use supplies instead of gold to fund it. This isn't a completely one of a kind deal. I didn't suggest an AH. I suggested an adjusted AH, a better version of what exists currently in some other games with limits to eliminate the current and many forms of corruption that occur in trading systems. Only a player abusing the current system wouldn't want a system free of corruption.

nice bait. How didn't I adapt?
DO you know me? No.
DO you know what I earn per day? NO right?

So explain how I need to adapt. Proposing a better system doesn't mean I didn't adapt. I've been here since Beta. Hang on I'll go get my popcorn while you try to answer that.Btw, this isn't personal. It's a set of valid questions.

They complained because it was different. People don't like change, so they want to change it to how they imagine it to be in other games. The same can be said of the people who like the system as it currently is, People don't like change. They've adapted to it.

As for the "adjusted AH", I do writs on 36 characters a day... you can be assured that I go out and buy more than 100 stacks of materials at a time, so that I have enough to do them. Daily/Weekly limits would only make it more difficult on me to do what I would like to do. Who is going to determine the "optimal" amount that can be bought for each and every item in the game? That is an unreasonable request, too much time and effort, with no way of determining a reasonable amount. What is good for a person with 1 character is certainly not good for somebody with 36.

People would still be able to get around those artificial limits, whether it's from coordination with guild mates, the creating of alternate accounts that can be used to do the same. There is absolutely no way to "fix" the problem of price fixing by adding in these limits. Under the current system there is a time constraint that limits a person, or group of people from doing this, not saying it can't be done, but it's more difficult with the current arrangement.

Others have brought up the issue of searching all those listings. ESO's "megaserver" is larger than all other MMOs, who split their player base into smaller groupings, so they aren't looking at as many listings. The guild stores already run like crap just looking at one high volume kiosk, multiply that by 50 to account for all of them... sounds terrible.

Yes, ZoS can change their mind, but they have directly stated that they like the current system, they designed the system to not be the same as other games (because ESO is a different MMO than other games). It's worked, the game doesn't have rampant inflation, it doesn't have massive price fixing. Yes, some very, very rare items, where there might be less than 10 for sale in all of Tamriel, have had their markets "cornered", but the staple items in the game, it is very, very difficult to do so, which is why they've remained remarkably stable over the last 5 years.

TTC is atrocious. 90% of the time the item isn't even there anymore. I think people put WAAAAAAAY too much stock in how much TTC affects the economy on PC ESO.

MM is only as good as the guilds that you're in (well... it's worthless right now until ZoS corrects the issues they have there), yet some people treat MM as a bible.

The gold sink has to be there. You honestly believe that ZoS is going to take things OUT of the crown store... lol

I sell a lot of stuff, I'm in 3 large trading guilds. I had to learn what sells in some guilds over the others, it's interesting to see the differences. It's nuanced, it takes a little bit of thinking. I don't do the flip game (unless, while shopping, I see something that is massively underpriced, like the time I got 200 corn flower for 1800 gold ).

(These are not just directed at the quoted post, just a summary of what I've read over the past 3 pages catching up)

People complained about the trader system for many reasons. Switching from chat to traders was a small upgrade, but not an efficient or good one. It is inconvenient. It is easily manipulated, and required add ons to be halfway efficient only. It was and is easily recognizable that something better could and should be in place. YOu'd need 2 accounts or 2 separate servers for crafting with 36 chars which is fine. The limit would be per server. It wouldn't effect a second account or server. Still with 2 accounts/servers a person would have double the amount to buy as others. Not many people will bother with 2 full accounts or more. It's a hassle. Worth less than just adapting to the new system. Some might yes but not many. Many people creating alt accounts want mules to hold their personal items and don't even level the chars. They don't want to waste the time on an alt account that they could be spending on the main account. It just isn't the norm for most players. Many still only have 1 or 2 chars they play. Not to mention, most people recognize already crafting writs as a source of money on 36 chars , if they aren't farming any of those mats themselves is very inefficient. That goes doubly so for master writs, which aren't worth quite as much to sell or craft anymore as in the past. So, it's unlikely you aren't farming any of those mats, unless you enjoy losing money, which is also unlikely. As I said unlikely, but not completely impossible.

Putting an extreme case that is unlikely in the scenario that doesn't fit the majority is no reason for ZOS not to implement a better system. Most off the other things you are saying are unlikely too. It would be too much cost and effort to do that. Trade guilds would pretty much focus on other aspects of the game. It is unlikely you would get that many people together without anything leaking out about it, before they could do anything. Just like all of the things these guilds do now are common knowledge to seasoned players. This certainly isn't the first thread on the guild trader corruption asking for another system and it definitely won't be the last.

The system doesn't work. It is corrupt in multiple ways. This system has all of those things you said it doesn't. Many examples have been given in the thread by multiple people. I know you want the traders to stay, but staying like this without a massive overhaul or a regulated replacement system is just not good for this game. The only people supporting this current trade system are the people who are spreading the lies and corruption. Those people just keep coming up with scare tactics in these threads to make people, who don't know better, think it will somehow be worse. All of this drama just because they can't control and manipulate prices anymore.

No one specifically said ZOS should remove things from the crown store. They could put many future items which are similar into the game for gold. People have been complaining about that lack of items for gold for ages too. I actually likely seeing the traders around in the game. SO I wouldn't mind just a complete system overhaul, but the current system behind these traders has to go one way or another. Either overhaul or an adjusted AH.

This thread was a great success. It was very interesting to read all the comments and the discussion. As for the poll, I think the players have clearly spoken: with only 34% for an AH and a whopping 52% in favor of the current system, it seems our guild traders are here to stay. Zos is not gonna waste a lot of time and resources on a new system that most players dont want. Maybe Zos wouldnt even spend time or resources on it even if players wanted it, but that's a whole different debate....

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

This thread was a great success. It was very interesting to read all the comments and the discussion. As for the poll, I think the players have clearly spoken: with only 34% for an AH and a whopping 52% in favor of the current system, it seems our guild traders are here to stay. Zos is not gonna waste a lot of time and resources on a new system that most players dont want. Maybe Zos wouldnt even spend time or resources on it even if players wanted it, but that's a whole different debate....

Partially true. However, as far as the percentage goes only, most of the people, casuals, who would be agreeing since it benefits them too, rarely even use the forums to vote on this or anything else. It doesn't mean they shouldn't have a better system too.

Well I like to base my opinions on facts, and the poll is a type fact that shows how more than 500 players voted. you claim casuals want what you want, but there are no facts to support this notion.

Urigall wrote: »

Does anyone know if players could generate the same - or a similar - amount of capital through a global AH, as they could potentially raise through the trading guild system?

This isn't to be read as for or agin the AH concept; I'm simply curious. Does anyone know or is it an unknown until it is tried out?

AH's exist in other games, and even an adjusted version with limits, which we proposed here, would still allow players to accumulate a lot of gold. In fact, more people would be able to accumulate gold than in the current corrupted system. Basically, the more items you sell the richer you get. There would be no middle men to feed anymore with your sales. The prices would be more competitive because more people would be selling since it becomes more lucrative to do so. Also, more convenient to do so. Time is money and a lot of time would be saved.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

Urigall wrote: »

Does anyone know if players could generate the same - or a similar - amount of capital through a global AH, as they could potentially raise through the trading guild system?

This isn't to be read as for or agin the AH concept; I'm simply curious. Does anyone know or is it an unknown until it is tried out?

Both systems allows for that. But a global AH would not have the great gold sink that comes from the trader bidding wars, so inflation could be expected to rise unless some other major way of draining out gold was invented.

ESO doesn't need that specific gold sink. We have gold sinks and ZOS can easily create more even if more were needed. Prices would drop generally, as well, since only a listing fee would be due. Since selling would become individually more lucrative, more people would be selling. Competition is always good for prices meaning good for the buyers. That combined with some mild, well thought out limits would make for a much better system.

Urigall wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Urigall wrote: »

Does anyone know if players could generate the same - or a similar - amount of capital through a global AH, as they could potentially raise through the trading guild system?

This isn't to be read as for or agin the AH concept; I'm simply curious. Does anyone know or is it an unknown until it is tried out?

AH's exist in other games, and even an adjusted version with limits, which we proposed here, would still allow players to accumulate a lot of gold. In fact, more people would be able to accumulate gold than in the current corrupted system. Basically, the more items you sell the richer you get. There is no middle man to feed anymore.

Thank you for the quick reply. Although the trading issue is multi-faceted, I'd be opposed to an AH if it, even subtly, made the siren call of credit card purchases of houses a bit louder. If it did not, then I'd be open minded about the concept, and base my view on what is best for the player base. I don't know enough about the AH system to comment. in fact, I know zip. But I'll be reading up on it.

Another point occurred to me after reading your last sentence. In an AH scenario, there is no pressure to meet sales targets. A player could devote four weeks to playing ESO without the fear of losing their guild slot (assuming they had to meet a minimum, sales target)

yes that's true. there is no pressure to meet targets. Instead, people will farm and sell because they are happy to do it which is another win win.

Anyway, I don't want to see a traditional AH. For me personally, I'd rather see something that is adjusted to have limits to prevent most forms of manipulation. Players would have to result to extremes to manipulate it and it wouldn't be feasible for them to do it at that point.

Yes. Theres literally no reason not to. all the excuses for keeping the trader system as is is blatant lies or false. blizzard realized a global/server wide ah was the correct way to go extremely early(back when they had actual smart people designing the game) and this was back in 2006.

it wouldnt remove the gold sink at all. it'd be literally the same. where do big trade guilds get the money to buy their traders? by requiring players either buy, sell or donate their gold that they made to the bank. auction houses dont have to forego the post tx. even wows ah takes a cut of the gold from each item you sell.

the guild trader system fails miserably. who here truly enjoys porting from zone to zone going trader to trader to find what they want? I wager not many, with esos engine the way it is and those horrible load screens. this is why literally every sizeable trade guild on pc uploads their trader stock to tamriel trade centre. it takes a crappy system and makes it workable

then imagine youre on ps4 or xbox, no addons, or a smaller trade guild on pc tht doesnt exactly use addons, and all you can afford is the trader in the stormhold thieves den. is it fair that your trader is so far out of everyones way that youre never going to get enough traffic to move sales? how many of you even remember where stormhold is (without googling it or looking at your map)

then you have the situation like we had a few weeks ago where one dude with too much gold bought all the traders in rawl'kha, forcing the usual guilds out of rawlkha to get a trader somewhere else for dramatically cheaper, but displacing 5 smaller, less prosperous guilds for the week.

then the current situation of zos having rolled down the guild history frame and broke all the addons while investigating another issue. trade guilds have lost their mind. if a game feature requires addons to be workable, the game feature itself is broken.

all of this bother as well also takes up one of your guild slots, which, outside of raffles, most people in trade guilds never play with each other. id rather have each trader in every zone by synced with one another, so people can still buy/sell wherever they want, but having each trader be server wide, then have an extra guild slot open to join a guild with people i want to play with, not a guild i have to be in if i want to sell my stuff.

Keep all the guild traders where they are, but sync all of them together. People can still buy/sell where they want, but no more dealing with excruciating load screens to get to a trader that may or may not still have the specific item you searched for on ttc

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

This thread was a great success. It was very interesting to read all the comments and the discussion. As for the poll, I think the players have clearly spoken: with only 34% for an AH and a whopping 52% in favor of the current system, it seems our guild traders are here to stay. Zos is not gonna waste a lot of time and resources on a new system that most players dont want. Maybe Zos wouldnt even spend time or resources on it even if players wanted it, but that's a whole different debate....

Partially true. However, as far as the percentage goes only, most of the people, casuals, who would be agreeing since it benefits them too, rarely even use the forums to vote on this or anything else. It doesn't mean they shouldn't have a better system too.

Well I like to base my opinions on facts, and the poll is a type fact that shows how more than 500 players voted. you claim casuals want what you want, but there are no facts to support this notion.

...Some of them are flat out lying.

...The only people supporting the current system in these threads are the abusers of the system....

I think you are crossing a line here with these accusations, no need for that. I think we can have a civil discussion without throwing mud. Go after the ball, not the man.

Apox wrote: »

it wouldnt remove the gold sink at all. it'd be literally the same.

Yes it would, and no it wouldn't. Each week hundreds of millions of gold is poured into guild trader bids. Like it or not, without the bids those hundreds of millions would not be taken out of the economy so without some other way it will lead to inflation. I dont doubt that there are other ways, I'd just like you to suggest them then, seeing as you are one of those in support of removing the guild traders for a global AH.

Apox wrote: »

... who here truly enjoys porting from zone to zone going trader to trader to find what they want? I wager not many, with esos engine the way it is and those horrible load screens.

By that logic Im surprised you even want to play this game? Well Im one of those guys that truly enjoy going from zone to zone, to trader to trader to find deals. It's also nice to visit each of the zones again, it gives it meaning. Sometimes when Im there I even pick a random direction and just ride out into the world. I know, it sounds totally crazy.

Apox wrote: »

? how many of you even remember where stormhold is (without googling it or looking at your map)

I do have a little trouble remembering where Stormhold is, but it is one of the locations I pick to go find deals. I think it is Shadowfen, I remember it because when Im there I always am thinking a name like Stormhold sounds off in swampy zone like Shadowfen.

Apox wrote: »

then you have the situation like we had a few weeks ago where one dude with too much gold bought all the traders in rawl'kha, forcing the usual guilds out of rawlkha to get a trader somewhere else for dramatically cheaper, but displacing 5 smaller, less prosperous guilds for the week.

Yeah I remember that, didnt really hurt my sales though. Only thing he really achieved was annoy all the players normally going to rawlkha to trade and those smaller guilds that had to lose to the big rawlkha guilds outbidding them.

Jayman1000 wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Jayman1000 wrote: »

This thread was a great success. It was very interesting to read all the comments and the discussion. As for the poll, I think the players have clearly spoken: with only 34% for an AH and a whopping 52% in favor of the current system, it seems our guild traders are here to stay. Zos is not gonna waste a lot of time and resources on a new system that most players dont want. Maybe Zos wouldnt even spend time or resources on it even if players wanted it, but that's a whole different debate....

Partially true. However, as far as the percentage goes only, most of the people, casuals, who would be agreeing since it benefits them too, rarely even use the forums to vote on this or anything else. It doesn't mean they shouldn't have a better system too.

Well I like to base my opinions on facts, and the poll is a type fact that shows how more than 500 players voted. you claim casuals want what you want, but there are no facts to support this notion.

...Some of them are flat out lying.

...The only people supporting the current system in these threads are the abusers of the system....

I think you are crossing a line here with these accusations, no need for that. I think we can have a civil discussion without throwing mud. Go after the ball, not the man.

What line? What mud? Telling the truth is crossing a line? Their own statements in this thread which were countered as false, and in some cases unobjective, were even admitted by them at some points. So what line? Exactly, none. I never personally attack anyone. I never get rude. I just tell the truth. I did not at any time attack anyone. That's a fact. Pretending I did, to shut the thread down, is silly. This has been a peaceful thread offering a lot of welcomed insight from both sides. I'm wondering if you've even read this entire thread right now.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Noblis01 wrote: »

Because some people can't control their "baser nature" a global auction house WOULD BE (not could be)
corrupted by exploiters.
Now, the bots just run around nabbing mats. Next, they will be buying up all of the stacks of X, then setting
a ridiculous price.
The new players will not be able to afford the basic items that they need to play.
People will quit the game because they can't play/stay alive.
Then the human sacrifices. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria !

But really, I've played 5 MMOs and all 5 had global auction houses. All of those games also had toons selling
items in chat non stop. It was common for those toons to get banned and then steal a player's account to bark
more "deals" in zone chat. Or tell you the URL of a company to buy stuff with real money.

Does anyone really want to pay 5ooo gold for just one Cornflower?
The current system is truly a free market system.

I played other mmos too and selling in chat is already a thing here. No one is stealing accounts from them, and bots is a totally differnt subject and was already dealt with here. Limited on a future AH were already proposed. So none of that would happen. Most of what's in those statements isn't realistic. Prices in AH games for common consumables is perfectly affordable. With the limits in place here, the prices will be very competive which is good for everyone except the current system abusers.

Sigh ... except that they wouldn’t. I truly enjoy your seeming good nature. I wish everyone else was that way, but it’s unrealistic. Some ESO billionaire would buy up everything they deem valuable and re-list it for whatever they wanted.

The current system abusers would have the capital to be at the top of that list.

With buying limits you’d just need some coordination (like now) but regardless the whole point is that no person or group of people should be able to do this at the push of one button.

You missed something multiple times in the thread. We already proposed limits. It would be nearly impossible to corner the market on any one item at any one time. That's bad for the current abusers but good for everyone else. They'll still be able to earn plenty of money, just not in a shady way. We already put an example of how a ten man team still couldn't do it.

It get less realistic with no trade guilds around for there to be many more than that without some kind of infighting occurring or other people finding out about it first.

Items like Spell Strategist infernos have maybe 20 listings on the market. You absolutely can corner it.

Then people would stop buying them. Price something too high and people would farm it themselves.

I would still ask if any of you who are so opposed to a global auction house have ever significantly worked with one in the past. (Not just brief interactions.)

The items are effectively locked out now since it is so hard to find where they are or what a reasonable price is.

Raising a bogyman is not a strong argument.

I’ve been playing games with GAH’s since the advent up EA’s Ultimate Team in 2009. I’ve bought nearly every copy of that, Madden, NHL, 2k’s NBA and most recently I bought a PS4 just for their Diamond Dynasty mode which is essentially the same thing.

All of them had GAHs. All of them are console games. I’ve also played Neverwinter (yuck) which has one as well. That’s 6 titles and roughly 30 to 50 various GAHs ON CONSOLE that I have invested time and way too much money into. In each they all follow the same pattern.

I have no reason to believe that the behavior in ESO on console would be any different.

@THEDKEXPERIENCE

Bro stop with your reference to EA. I have said it already in this thread and you completely ignored me trying to prove your point. Your point of EA auction system means nothing here. This is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME! What is Madden? What is FIFA? What is nhl? They are sports games that cash in on micro transactions.

If you do not understand the difference between the two genre of games then I don't know what to tell you. EA has million dollar tournaments throughout the year so of course people that play competitive on that level that have real life money on the line will manipulate a market on sports games that should have never had them in them in the first place. (I play the games so don't come at us saying they are fair lol)

On eso the market is basically run by a mafia on ps4na at least. How would you feel if you lived in a place were you tried to run a business and one person bought all the property around you and told you that you have 1 week to get out because they want your spot too?

That is essentially how the guild traders are on ps4na where people buy complete zones just to make huge profits and kick you out of your spots. This is supposed to be a gold sink right? Well it gets rid of the original persons gold of say 100k but then he sells it for 400-500k making huge profit. Then with that 400-500k they buy up 4 more spots for the 100k. Now he sells them and he makes 1,600,00-2,000,000 gold. Yep that is exactly what is happening but it's not a problem right? It brings players together right? How does he do this since you can only own one guild? Multiple accounts yep it is terrible on ps4na.

This is one huge reason we need a global auction house to allow everyone the ability to sell not just the richer guilds.

Exactly, I was going to touch on that point. Those being 2 different types of games and economies, is true, but I got called away before I could. Anyway, it's apples and oranges. A P2W EA economy is not a match to some mats or gear that were legit farmed(not bought) by doing content and sold by the players on a AH for gold only in a ZOS mmorpg game. Seriously, there is no comparison. If he needs a video on the history of EA's P2W subject I can surely link it to him, but that guy seems to know EA is P2W already from his statements. He just picked another wrong argument to use to support the old system here in ZOS. The only people supporting the old system are the abusers of it, and they'll say anything, and create any ridiculous scenario to stop the current corrupted system from being overhauled or replaced.

If we started a thread to fix the trade system in multiple ways instead of suggesting an adjusted AH,(So it can't be manipulated anymore) they will fight that tooth and nail too with these phoney bologney, boogey man arguments and completely ridiculous scenarios that don't truly exist. They just don't want to let go of the corruption that poisons the trade system. It's as simple as that.

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

FlopsyPrince wrote: »

Royaji wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

juttaa77b16_ESO wrote: »

Noblis01 wrote: »

Because some people can't control their "baser nature" a global auction house WOULD BE (not could be)
corrupted by exploiters.
Now, the bots just run around nabbing mats. Next, they will be buying up all of the stacks of X, then setting
a ridiculous price.
The new players will not be able to afford the basic items that they need to play.
People will quit the game because they can't play/stay alive.
Then the human sacrifices. Dogs and cats living together. Mass hysteria !

But really, I've played 5 MMOs and all 5 had global auction houses. All of those games also had toons selling
items in chat non stop. It was common for those toons to get banned and then steal a player's account to bark
more "deals" in zone chat. Or tell you the URL of a company to buy stuff with real money.

Does anyone really want to pay 5ooo gold for just one Cornflower?
The current system is truly a free market system.

I played other mmos too and selling in chat is already a thing here. No one is stealing accounts from them, and bots is a totally differnt subject and was already dealt with here. Limited on a future AH were already proposed. So none of that would happen. Most of what's in those statements isn't realistic. Prices in AH games for common consumables is perfectly affordable. With the limits in place here, the prices will be very competive which is good for everyone except the current system abusers.

Sigh ... except that they wouldn’t. I truly enjoy your seeming good nature. I wish everyone else was that way, but it’s unrealistic. Some ESO billionaire would buy up everything they deem valuable and re-list it for whatever they wanted.

The current system abusers would have the capital to be at the top of that list.

With buying limits you’d just need some coordination (like now) but regardless the whole point is that no person or group of people should be able to do this at the push of one button.

You missed something multiple times in the thread. We already proposed limits. It would be nearly impossible to corner the market on any one item at any one time. That's bad for the current abusers but good for everyone else. They'll still be able to earn plenty of money, just not in a shady way. We already put an example of how a ten man team still couldn't do it.

It get less realistic with no trade guilds around for there to be many more than that without some kind of infighting occurring or other people finding out about it first.

Items like Spell Strategist infernos have maybe 20 listings on the market. You absolutely can corner it.

Then people would stop buying them. Price something too high and people would farm it themselves.

I would still ask if any of you who are so opposed to a global auction house have ever significantly worked with one in the past. (Not just brief interactions.)

The items are effectively locked out now since it is so hard to find where they are or what a reasonable price is.

Raising a bogyman is not a strong argument.

I’ve been playing games with GAH’s since the advent up EA’s Ultimate Team in 2009. I’ve bought nearly every copy of that, Madden, NHL, 2k’s NBA and most recently I bought a PS4 just for their Diamond Dynasty mode which is essentially the same thing.

All of them had GAHs. All of them are console games. I’ve also played Neverwinter (yuck) which has one as well. That’s 6 titles and roughly 30 to 50 various GAHs ON CONSOLE that I have invested time and way too much money into. In each they all follow the same pattern.

I have no reason to believe that the behavior in ESO on console would be any different.

@THEDKEXPERIENCE

Bro stop with your reference to EA. I have said it already in this thread and you completely ignored me trying to prove your point. Your point of EA auction system means nothing here. This is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME! What is Madden? What is FIFA? What is nhl? They are sports games that cash in on micro transactions.

If you do not understand the difference between the two genre of games then I don't know what to tell you. EA has million dollar tournaments throughout the year so of course people that play competitive on that level that have real life money on the line will manipulate a market on sports games that should have never had them in them in the first place. (I play the games so don't come at us saying they are fair lol)

On eso the market is basically run by a mafia on ps4na at least. How would you feel if you lived in a place were you tried to run a business and one person bought all the property around you and told you that you have 1 week to get out because they want your spot too?

That is essentially how the guild traders are on ps4na where people buy complete zones just to make huge profits and kick you out of your spots. This is supposed to be a gold sink right? Well it gets rid of the original persons gold of say 100k but then he sells it for 400-500k making huge profit. Then with that 400-500k they buy up 4 more spots for the 100k. Now he sells them and he makes 1,600,00-2,000,000 gold. Yep that is exactly what is happening but it's not a problem right? It brings players together right? How does he do this since you can only own one guild? Multiple accounts yep it is terrible on ps4na.

This is one huge reason we need a global auction house to allow everyone the ability to sell not just the richer guilds.

No, I ignored you because you’re wrong. Now you’re rude and wrong.

And it still won’t change that ZOS isn’t changing the market. Sorry.

Someone grab me a salt GIF.